BREAKING: NBA Rejects Kings Move to Seattle!!!

[JALMOND]

Now the Kings can go back to being terrible, and Sacramento can go back to not giving a **** about them now that it doesn't have to anymore.

Not necessarily. What could happen is the Maloofs keep the team, being that it will stay in Sacramento. Progress needs to be shown next year in getting the arena deal through and in the works (further than where it is now) and the fans still need to come out and show support. Otherwise this could be revisited next season, Johnson will not have Stern in his corner, and the league could tell Johnson that they had two years (remember last year when the Maloofs were going to move to Anaheim) for progress that does not seem to be there, all with the Seattle group still active. This may be over, yet it may not be, but it is up to Sacramento (the city, not the team) to show that they want to stay.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Now the Kings can go back to being terrible, and Sacramento can go back to not giving a **** about them now that it doesn't have to anymore.

Not necessarily. What could happen is the Maloofs keep the team, being that it will stay in Sacramento. Progress needs to be shown next year in getting the arena deal through and in the works (further than where it is now) and the fans still need to come out and show support. Otherwise this could be revisited next season, Johnson will not have Stern in his corner, and the league could tell Johnson that they had two years (remember last year when the Maloofs were going to move to Anaheim) for progress that does not seem to be there, all with the Seattle group still active. This may be over, yet it may not be, but it is up to Sacramento (the city, not the team) to show that they want to stay.

They will fail, once again. It's what the city of Sacramento does.

[JALMOND]

Not necessarily. What could happen is the Maloofs keep the team, being that it will stay in Sacramento. Progress needs to be shown next year in getting the arena deal through and in the works (further than where it is now) and the fans still need to come out and show support. Otherwise this could be revisited next season, Johnson will not have Stern in his corner, and the league could tell Johnson that they had two years (remember last year when the Maloofs were going to move to Anaheim) for progress that does not seem to be there, all with the Seattle group still active. This may be over, yet it may not be, but it is up to Sacramento (the city, not the team) to show that they want to stay.

They will fail, once again. It's what the city of Sacramento does.

If Sacramento gives the league any inkling that they don't care and the arena deal falls through, much like what happened in Seattle and Renton 5 years ago, it would make relocation more attractive at that point than staying in Sacramento. Actually, not just Sacramento. A substandard arena with no plans to upgrade, and a perceived "who cares" attitude by the city could be the ingredients for any current NBA franchise to move to Seattle (and something the NBA owners would have a hard time vetoing).

[SDHornet]

I wouldn't say it's over, Sac still has to hold up their end in regards to the arena deal, which was thrown together with string and sticky glue. Not to mention that the Maloofs aren't going to sell to the Ranadive group.

I'll make this short, I have a game to get to in Oklahoma City.

That douche can't step down soon enough. What a fucking prick.

The arena deal is solid. More solid than the one the NBA and the City brokered a year ago. The city council already approved the framework of the deal prior to the Sac group submitting their “back up offer” to the Maloofs. The only thing holding the sale up is the Maloofs and Ranadive (on the radio he said their lawyers have been dealing with the Maloof lawyers for the past 2 weeks in coming to an agreement) coming to an agreement. If the arena deal was shaky, the BOG would have most likely favored Seattle in the vote.

[SDHornet]

Indeed! Congrats to them!

Now the Kings can go back to being terrible, and Sacramento can go back to not giving a shit about them now that it doesn't have to anymore.

Accept one of the big selling points KJ made in keeping the Kings in Sac is that the franchise/city has the NBA record for most sell outs in a row…which Stern referred to in the presser.

[SDHornet]

Now the Kings can go back to being terrible, and Sacramento can go back to not giving a **** about them now that it doesn't have to anymore.

Not necessarily. What could happen is the Maloofs keep the team, being that it will stay in Sacramento. Progress needs to be shown next year in getting the arena deal through and in the works (further than where it is now) and the fans still need to come out and show support. Otherwise this could be revisited next season, Johnson will not have Stern in his corner, and the league could tell Johnson that they had two years (remember last year when the Maloofs were going to move to Anaheim) for progress that does not seem to be there, all with the Seattle group still active. This may be over, yet it may not be, but it is up to Sacramento (the city, not the team) to show that they want to stay.

I think the biggest wrench is the Maloofs not selling out of spite, which they still have the right to do (and what is what has been going on for the past 2 years). It is more than clear that Sac (both the ownership group and the City) has done everything asked of it in order to keep the Kings (arena deal term sheet, $200M in an escrow account for the sale, businesses stepping up, fans stepping up). The issue working against the Maloofs is they are broke, and may not have the resources to last another season which is why Stern hinted at a sale being brokered in the next 24-48 hours. The Maloofs owing the city $70M and the NBA $150M doesn't help their cause either.

[SDHornet]

They will fail, once again. It's what the city of Sacramento does.

Actually it has been the Maloofs backing out of arena deals. They pulled their support of the 2006 ballot initiative 2 weeks before the vote and then backed out of the “model deal” the City and the NBA brokered last year. The City (mainly KJ) worked with Burkle to hammer out this latest term sheet agreement that already has city council approval. Sac has continually stepped up to the plate but has only been derailed by the Maloofs as they want to move the franchise from the City at all costs.

[DSUrocks07]

Looks like Seattle is going to have to wait until after the new TV deal the NBA gets next year when the expansion talks begin. Seattle will be the odds on favorite in the West to get the conference to 16 teams, but who in the east to balance out to 32 total? St. Louis? Cincinnati? Baltimore?

I don't know how the NBA runs their geography, but St. Louis has traditionally been West or Central in baseball and football. That would make about as much sense as Boise State in the Big East. A return to Cincinnati (the Royals?) would be doable. I'm not certain a Baltimore bid would be able to get over the extra territorial rights fees that would be due the Washington Wizards. I think a Cincinnati Royals (or whatever name) team would have fewer fees due the Cleveland Cavaliers due to a greater distance; it might even be nil.

Memphis to the East, St. Louis to the West.

But out of the three, I would say Cincinnati would have the best shot.

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[SuperHornet]

DSU: That makes a TON of sense. I was merely taking the one-move deal because it's less complicated. Of course, if they DO pick St. Louis, (a return of the Spirits of St. Louis?), your conference shift makes sense. I have no idea why Memphis is out West, anyway.

Of course, the NFL has had their anomalies, with the Falcons in the NFC West and the Cardinals still in the NFC East (for a while) after they bailed on St. Louis. (Actually, if the NBA DOES put a St. Louis team in the East, the St. Louis Football Cardinals could well be the precedent, as they were in the East for years after moving from Chicago. But one team out against the current Rams and the two MLB teams in St. Louis in the west (well, the St. Louis Browns WOULD have been in the West or the Central had there been divisions in those days) may not signify....

[SDHornet]

One final twist in the Kings Saga; it was discovered a handful of weeks ago that the anti-arena group in Sac was funded by Hansen (I’m kind of surprised Seattle fanboy SE hasn’t posted this). Just when Kings fans finally thought it was over. I can’t believe Hansen was stupid enough to do this. So now if/when Seattle ever gets an NBA franchise, Hansen will be no part of it.

In the Bee's story, Hansen made the donation to S.T.O.P. about a month after the NBA blocked the relocation of the team. This is after interviews in which he said he regretted trying to take a team away from another city. Given Hansen's expressed desire to continue working on bringing an NBA team back to Seattle, the fact that he is actively going against the NBA's wishes and trying to impede Sacramento's chances at getting an arena will very likely not be viewed favorably by the NBA.

http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2013/8/16 ... a-donation

Also Sac leads the NBA in season ticket sales. So much for the myth of the City not supporting the Kings that was spread by the Hansen camp to try and sway the owners vote. Turns out the fans refused to support the stupid ownership (rightfully so) and not the franchise itself.

[DSUrocks07]

One final twist in the Kings Saga; it was discovered a handful of weeks ago that the anti-arena group in Sac was funded by Hansen (I’m kind of surprised Seattle fanboy SE hasn’t posted this). Just when Kings fans finally thought it was over. I can’t believe Hansen was stupid enough to do this. So now if/when Seattle ever gets an NBA franchise, Hansen will be no part of it.

In the Bee's story, Hansen made the donation to S.T.O.P. about a month after the NBA blocked the relocation of the team. This is after interviews in which he said he regretted trying to take a team away from another city. Given Hansen's expressed desire to continue working on bringing an NBA team back to Seattle, the fact that he is actively going against the NBA's wishes and trying to impede Sacramento's chances at getting an arena will very likely not be viewed favorably by the NBA.

http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2013/8/16 ... a-donation

Also Sac leads the NBA in season ticket sales. So much for the myth of the City not supporting the Kings that was spread by the Hansen camp to try and sway the owners vote. Turns out the fans refused to support the stupid ownership (rightfully so) and not the franchise itself.

Sounds a lot like Miami sports fans

[clenz]

So...yeah...about the fans in Sacramento supporting their Kings....

From tonight...
https://twitter.com/EmptySeatsPics/stat ... 1333313536" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[SDHornet]

22nd in the NBA in attendance...and about the 24th worst record.

http://espn.go.com/nba/attendance

Meanwhile all the ducks are in line for the arena to break ground this summer.

Would be interest to see if there are any stats out on season ticket sales for the 14/15 season.

[tribe_pride]

22nd in the NBA in attendance...and about the 24th worst record.

http://espn.go.com/nba/attendance

Meanwhile all the ducks are in line for the arena to break ground this summer.

Would be interest to see if there are any stats out on season ticket sales for the 14/15 season.

To be fair, here is what the final 5 years of the SuperSonics attendance ranked and their average attendance:
2008 - 28 13,355
2007 - 25 15,195
2006 - 23 16,198
2005 - 21 16,475
2004 - 23 15,255

Seattle did not show they were any better than Sacramento. You can excuse the final year or 2 attendance but not the years before.

[clenz]

Does ticket sales really reflect support? Brokers/rich people in the area/etc... buy tickets and sell on the secondary market/give them away. Tickets sold doesn't show support as well as you want to believe.

[tribe_pride]

Does ticket sales really reflect support? Brokers/rich people in the area/etc... buy tickets and sell on the secondary market/give them away. Tickets sold doesn't show support as well as you want to believe.

You showed a picture of a Tuesday night game for a team that is 16 games out of the playoffs with 15 games to go of a Western Conference team hosting an Eastern Conference team not named the Heat, Pacers or Bulls (figured I'd add them too as a team that might inspire others to come out and watch).

Any of those things would mean lower attendance. A combination of all of those things can make for ugly attendance.

It's not like your picture wasn't biased what you wanted to show.

If you want to see sad, look at the Atlanta Hawks pictures from yesterday https://twitter.com/JLew1050/status/446 ... 09/photo/1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://twitter.com/Skarem33/status/446 ... 28/photo/1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And the Hawks are in a playoff spot right now and were playing the current #3 seed in the East in Toronto.

[clenz]

We haven't had multiple threads about the Hawks....we haven't had people telling us how great the Hawks are at supporting their team.

I'm not cherry picking anything.

[SDHornet]

We haven't had multiple threads about the Hawks....we haven't had people telling us how great the Hawks are at supporting their team.

I'm not cherry picking anything.

I'm no Kings fan but the City supports that franchise.

Sleep Train Arena (where the Kings play) has a capacity of 17.3k.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_Train_Arena

Old post but figured this is warrented:
http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2013/1/23 ... ramento-vs

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1UUTlcCisU[/youtube]

Yeah, Sac has no history of supporting the franchise.

Make no mistake, Sac fans WILL come out and support the Kings.

[SDHornet]

Here is a graph Jelly would appreciate:


Note the dive in win percentage and attendance was directly due to poor ownership and its desire to move the Kings elsewhere.

[clenz]

When?

The new arena smell will wear off real quick with the shit the franchise puts out.

What you're saying is the minds will support a winning team...but nothing else.

If that's the case my clippers have awesome support as well...and the magic...and pelicans...

[SDHornet]

I'm trying to finds something with numbers for more recent years. This is the best I have so far:

SACRAMENTO KINGS
Season GP Total Avg.
1985-86 41 423,653 10,333
1986-87 41 423,653 10,333
1987-88 41 423,653 10,333
1988-89 41 677,197 16,517
1989-90 41 697,574 17,014
1990-91 41 697,574 17,014
1991-92 41 697,574 17,014
1992-93 41 709,997 17,317
1993-94 41 709,997 17,317
1994-95 41 709,997 17,317
1995-96 41 709,997 17,317
1996-97 41 709,997 17,317
1997-98 41 605,434 14,767
1998-99 25 418,751 16,750
1999-00 41 720,033 17,562
2000-01 41 709,997 17,317
2001-02 41 709,997 17,317
2002-03 41 709,997 17,317
2003-04 41 709,997 17,317
2004-05 41 709,997 17,317
2005-06 41 709,997 17,317
2006-07 41 709,997 17,317
2007-08 41 580,181 14,150
2008-09 41 520,169 12,687
2009-10 41 543,416 13,254
2010-11 41 569,496 13,890
2011-12 33 478,764 14,508

http://www.apbr.org/attendance.html

The fact that the Kings are averaging over 16k again after the massive dip during the Maloof era is more than enough evidence to prove the decision to keep them is Sac was warranted.

[SDHornet]

When?

The new arena smell will wear off real quick with the shit the franchise puts out.

What you're saying is the minds will support a winning team...but nothing else.

If that's the case my clippers have awesome support as well...and the magic...and pelicans...

You're grasping at straws man. Stick to your domination on the BE thread.

Edit: BTW is there a fanbase that doesn't come out when teams are winning?

[SDHornet]

From Sunday's game against Dallas. Attendance listed as over 17k. Clenz I think you can put to rest the notion that the fans don't come out and support this franchise.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/dallas-mave ... 014040623/

[SDHornet]

Sac City council approved the funding for the new arena a few weeks ago. Demolition of the buildings at the proposed location is slated to start this summer. Arena is suppose to be open fall 2016. Kings staying is Sac for the foreseeable future is a done deal.

Side note: Balmer has since bought the Clips for $2B (pending NBA BOG approval and subsequent Sterling law suits). Maybe he takes them to Seattle when their lease with Staples ends in 10 years.

[SDHornet]

Sacramento (and the Kings) are set to open the new downtown arena this fall and the opening event will be Paul McCartney...meanwhile in Seattle, you know that place that claimed it could easily get an NBA arena built, just voted against the latest Hansen backed arena plan.
@ Seattle. Karma is a bitch.

The Kings. Concerts. NCAA tournaments. All sweet music after more than a decade of feuding and futility, of heated rhetoric, and of threats of relocation to Anaheim and Seattle.

Remember Seattle?

Monday was a crusher. While Sacramento played McCartney, Seattle played “Taps.” Billionaire Chris Hansen’s latest attempt to partner with the city and county for construction of an NBA and NHL sports facility went down with a surprising, devastating thump. The City Council was expected to approve the proposal that required selling Hansen a street near Safeco Field, but the measure was voted down 5-4, killing the return of the SuperSonics for the foreseeable future.

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