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White tears lol

Again, the unemployment numbers for blacks and people of color are much higher, the average income both individually and by household is much lower for blacks/other people of color than white people. There are more racist jokes against black people both in media and throughout culture than jokes about white people.

and still, a black person is more likely to get stopped by cops (who are predominately white), most of the senators and congressmen are white, most business owners are white, most media personalities are white. Everywhere you look in the social and economic positions of power (with the exception of the president thankfully) you see white faces perpetuating injustices against people of color, whether it be directly through things such as police brutality and killing of unarmed people of color, or subliminally through media representations and caricatures of race.

Being white in our society is a position of privilege in comparison to being black.

(though I agree your special needs child should have better funding and the reasoning is similar but different)
You're done, you've already contradicted yourself. Face it, your 2 black friends are no match for the 100+ years of life experiences and friendships that many of have over you. My best friend is black, but his hatred of the term nigger and his embarrassment of the black cultural is anecdotal. You need to look at the group from a socio-economic standpoint. The civil war was over 148 yrs ago, JimCrow has been over for decades. Those that lived during that time are the minority of the black population. History only gets you so far


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Alright guys you heard here first, we live in a post-racial society.

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ASUMountaineer wrote:
Wow. I seriously don't even know how to reply to this. Unreal.

Two people commit the same action:

One only rises to the level of "prejudice" based on increased pigment, and the other rises to the level of "racism" because of a lack of pigment. :ohno:
YT is like Ralph. He needs to go home to daddy and let preacher man tell him there is evil on everyone. We all have the ability to discriminate and be discriminated against. METAPHYSICALLY, aka fundamentally, that's racism.

YT, we don't need your essays. You use words to sound smart but you don't every day anything. Be short and to the point.


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Some things aren't meant to be short, and something that aren't in the public discourse from day to day need to be better explained, which is hard to do in brief.

And don't bring my father into this, you ocean of cum.

edit: and btw I never said evil wasn't on everyone as you say. I agree with that notion. I think we should prioritize what evil is worth more of our attention.
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You're done, you've already contradicted yourself. Face it, your 2 black friends are no match for the 100+ years of life experiences and friendships that many of have over you. My best friend is black, but his hatred of the term nigger and his embarrassment of the black cultural is anecdotal. You need to look at the group from a socio-economic standpoint. The civil war was over 148 yrs ago, JimCrow has been over for decades. Those that lived during that time are the minority of the black population. History only gets you so far


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Alright guys you heard here first, we live in a post-racial society.

So says the white guy.

I didn't say that nor have I implied you. You have a knack for putting words in peoples mouths. You should learn to listen and not be so goddamn arrogant.
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Ibanez wrote:
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Alright guys you heard here first, we live in a post-racial society.

So says the white guy.

I didn't say that nor have I implied you. You have a knack for putting words in peoples mouths. You should learn to listen and not be so goddamn arrogant.
Well you have a terrible habit of completely missing my point, and apparently monosyllabic sentences of no substance and abundant sarcasm are the only ways one can communicate properly on here, so I figured I would "dumb things down" in way you would respect.
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youngterrier wrote:
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I didn't say that nor have I implied you. You have a knack for putting words in peoples mouths. You should learn to listen and not be so goddamn arrogant.
Well you have a terrible habit of completely missing my point, and apparently monosyllabic sentences of no substance and abundant sarcasm are the only ways one can communicate properly on here, so I figured I would "dumb things down" in way you would respect.
Boy are you an arrogant little prick. :ohno:
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93henfan wrote:
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Well you have a terrible habit of completely missing my point, and apparently monosyllabic sentences of no substance and abundant sarcasm are the only ways one can communicate properly on here, so I figured I would "dumb things down" in way you would respect.
Boy are you an arrogant little prick. :ohno:
I've officially given up communicating with you guys so I guess I'll just take the D1B route
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Not mad at all; just amused by you.

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The average black person in this country has been raised to think that way. People like you are the first ones to decry the "hate" under which Klukkers' kids or Skinheads' kids are raised, thus perpetuating the hate, but those black kids are somehow being raised in a fakking Currier and Ives landscape and only hate white people because there were slaves in their family tree and their great grandaddy got called "boy" down in Selma in 1957.

Reuben Greenberg once famously said that "if every white person disappeared off the face of the earth tomorrow, black people would still have precisely the same problems." Yeah yeah, imperialism, colonialism, blah blah.
this post^^^ is 100% wrong :)
You have no basis on which to make that claim, but I give you kudos for not making another JSO-esque War and Peace epistle on your own opinion which is based on your wizened experience.
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youngterrier wrote:
Ibanez wrote: Do you even know what you're saying anymore? There is hatred passed through the family. And out of that hatred words like "cracker" and "honkie" have come out as a means of ridicule.


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You're not reading what I'm saying and you're stating obvious things that I don't contradict what I'm saying :coffee:
You said cracker wasn't racists and then you reversed yourself by saying probably. You have a weak argument and you're getting emotional, we can tell. Stick with facts, not your feelings and thoughts off of what a few black guys you know told you. Don't treat people as if their knowledge doesn't mean squat compared to what you think.
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Ibanez wrote:
youngterrier wrote:
You're not reading what I'm saying and you're stating obvious things that I don't contradict what I'm saying :coffee:
You said cracker wasn't racists and then you reversed yourself by saying probably. You have a weak argument and you're getting emotional, we can tell. Stick with facts, not your feelings and thoughts off of what a few black guys you know told you. Don't treat people as if their knowledge doesn't mean squat compared to what you think.
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It's racist by your definition, but it isn't by mine, does that make sense? in other words it's not prejudice + power. I conceded that it "could be" racist because I didn't think that was the important part of the argument. I was trying to communicate the important part (the disproportionate amount of discrimination that people of color face) and so I conceded that so you guys wouldn't continue to dwell on that.

It's important to know that whenever people of color are talking about racism or women are talking about sexism, they're using my definition of the term, so they'll laugh if you say men can be victims of sexism, whites of racism, etc.

It's also important to understand that my argument isn't solely on the perspective of a couple black guys, there's also a lot of theory that goes behind it that I haven't even really talked about, critical race theory being one of them. This is simple sociology.

I've dealt an argument and I've presented evidence about economic numbers and so on. You guys haven't. Until you can put forth some sort of statistical evidence that whites are discriminated more than blacks, I'm going to stand by my position
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93henfan wrote:Not mad at all; just amused by you.

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I love the insinuation because it's hilariously ironic. Repeating the status quo opinion makes you not a drone, but for me it does. Instead of actually engaging the subject matter you're just dismissing it as regurgitation of something someone else said....how is that a sign of me being a parrot?
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CID1990 wrote:
youngterrier wrote:
this post^^^ is 100% wrong :)
You have no basis on which to make that claim, but I give you kudos for not making another JSO-esque War and Peace epistle on your own opinion which is based on your wizened experience.
Oh I have basis but apparently anything on this site that's more than 3 sentences, doesn't include boob gifs, and something subliminally racist is frowned upon as too wordy so I'm just not going to try.

(For just that reason my dad doesn't come around this site anymore and likely never will *fun fact* which is why I roll my eyes at you guys bringing my dad in like he's some sort of trump card when you barely know the guy)
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youngterrier wrote:
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You have no basis on which to make that claim, but I give you kudos for not making another JSO-esque War and Peace epistle on your own opinion which is based on your wizened experience.
Oh I have basis but apparently anything on this site that's more than 3 sentences, doesn't include boob gifs, and something subliminally racist is frowned upon as too wordy so I'm just not going to try.
Good. Now go work on your buddy JSO and we'll save a sh!tload of bandwidth here.
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youngterrier wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
You have no basis on which to make that claim, but I give you kudos for not making another JSO-esque War and Peace epistle on your own opinion which is based on your wizened experience.
Oh I have basis but apparently anything on this site that's more than 3 sentences, doesn't include boob gifs, and something subliminally racist is frowned upon as too wordy so I'm just not going to try.

(For just that reason my dad doesn't come around this site anymore and likely never will *fun fact* which is why I roll my eyes at you guys bringing my dad in like he's some sort of trump card when you barely know the guy)
Good thing....he'll find out you have a potty mouth. :lol:
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ASUG8 wrote:
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Oh I have basis but apparently anything on this site that's more than 3 sentences, doesn't include boob gifs, and something subliminally racist is frowned upon as too wordy so I'm just not going to try.

(For just that reason my dad doesn't come around this site anymore and likely never will *fun fact* which is why I roll my eyes at you guys bringing my dad in like he's some sort of trump card when you barely know the guy)
Good thing....he'll find out you have a potty mouth. :lol:
my potty mouth is funny :coffee:
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I remember when I was this kids age and got on sites like unis and pretended I was as smart/smarter than everyone else because of college classes and text books.




Here's a helpful hint yt, the world works like schools tell you it does less than 1 percent of the time. The world is about as black and white, pun not intended, as...well nothing...it's eleventy billion shades of grey.

Trust me when I say you have so much to learn it's not even comprehensible

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clenz wrote:I remember when I was this kids age and got on sites like unis and pretended I was as smart/smarter than everyone else because of college classes and text books.




Here's a helpful hint yt, the world works like schools tell you it does less than 1 percent of the time. The world is about as black and white, pun not intended, as...well nothing...it's eleventy billion shades of grey.

Trust me when I say you have so much to learn it's not even comprehensible

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You haven't the faintest idea of my conceptualization of how the world works.

I remember how whenever I came here and was pandering to everyone's opinion I was called smart and brilliant and stuff like that, but as soon as I disagree you guys pull this out...
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youngterrier wrote:
clenz wrote:I remember when I was this kids age and got on sites like unis and pretended I was as smart/smarter than everyone else because of college classes and text books.




Here's a helpful hint yt, the world works like schools tell you it does less than 1 percent of the time. The world is about as black and white, pun not intended, as...well nothing...it's eleventy billion shades of grey.

Trust me when I say you have so much to learn it's not even comprehensible

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You haven't the faintest idea of my conceptualization of how the world works.

I remember how whenever I came here and was pandering to everyone's opinion I was called smart and brilliant and stuff like that, but as soon as I disagree you guys pull this out...
If my one of my sons comes back from freshman year at college sounding like you, well...

...I hope they saved up for years two through four. :lol:
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youngterrier wrote:
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With all due respect, **** your metaphysical sense. Dion on the street corner isn't using cracker in a metaphysical sense. He's calling a white person a cracker out of a deep seeded hate. You have so much to learn, don't allow a year of college make you think you're a wise in the ways of the world.
No, I've actually talked to black people who have used that term. this isn't philosophy or some academic assertion (I mean, yeah it is, but that's not the source of it all).

They have a deep-seeded hatred of white people because white people have treated them so unjustly.
Which is a load of crap. This isn't the 1850s or 1950s. Slavery ended nearly 150 years ago. And Jim Crow in the south ended nearly 50 years ago. No black people today in their 40s and younger were subjected to that. And no white people today that aren't elderly ever subjected any black folks to that.
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You haven't the faintest idea of my conceptualization of how the world works.

I remember how whenever I came here and was pandering to everyone's opinion I was called smart and brilliant and stuff like that, but as soon as I disagree you guys pull this out...
If my one of my sons comes back from freshman year at college sounding like you, well...

...I hope they saved up for years two through four. :lol:
Ah, so you love your son to the extent he agrees with you....not slightly fascist in the least :D
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93henfan wrote:And in a stunning development, Trayvon Martin's mom testifies that the scream for help came from,


Wait for it....



Trayvon!


Dun duh DAAAAAAH!!!! This changes everything. :lol:
And Martin's brother claims the screams came from........Martin..(in an interview last year he said he wasn't sure).

And Zimmerman's mom took the stand and testified that the screams came from........Zimmerman.

And Zimmerman's uncle took the stand and testified that the screams came from........Zimmerman.

So you've got family on both sides claiming that the screams came from their family member. So this settles nothing.
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youngterrier wrote:
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If my one of my sons comes back from freshman year at college sounding like you, well...

...I hope they saved up for years two through four. :lol:
Ah, so you love your son to the extent he agrees with you....not slightly fascist in the least :D
Not at all. I just don't want them to pick up this palpable case of white guilt that you did. It's a sick and twisted view of the world that I hope you move through quickly for your own well-being.
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No, I've actually talked to black people who have used that term. this isn't philosophy or some academic assertion (I mean, yeah it is, but that's not the source of it all).

They have a deep-seeded hatred of white people because white people have treated them so unjustly.
Which is a load of crap. This isn't the 1850s or 1950s. Slavery ended nearly 150 years ago. And Jim Crow in the south ended nearly 50 years ago. No black people today in their 40s and younger were subjected to that. And no white people today that aren't elderly ever subjected any black folks to that.
It's a different, less direct form of discrimination that still exists today. Me and you don't see it, but plenty of people in black social circles do.

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I also put my hands where police can see them whenever I am pulled over. It's just good, common sense. I also have the engine off, all windows down, and license, registration, and insurance ready to go.
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Ah, so you love your son to the extent he agrees with you....not slightly fascist in the least :D
Not at all. I just don't want them to pick up this palpable case of white guilt that you did. It's a sick and twisted view of the world that I hope you move through quickly for your own well-being.
I don't have white guilt. White guilt makes the issue of racism about white people and not the actual issue itself, discrimination of people of color.

All I'm doing is talking about how society is today, and its demonstrable if you leave the white bubble of perspective. I haven't said my own feelings of the matter. It's all descriptive, very little prescriptive.
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