Zimmerman Trial

[youngterrier]

I don't deny anything you say, it doesn't even contradict what I'm talking about, and I would go on (police force prescence is a lot like occupation, the area is more dangerous no doubt, you're more likely to stop wrong-doers, and the people don't like you but the politicians need you there) but you guys don't care to hear me talk about it more, because you hold an affinity for ~long posts~, so I'll spare you the boredom.

It certainly does contradict what you say. You directly attributed the fact that police spend an inordinate amount of time in black neighborhoods as a function of racism. You butt up against first hand experience on a subject like this and your M.O. is to play the "I'd answer if only... X."


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It's indirectly related to racism, in that racism ~started~ it, and now the repercussions or shell of what it is today is kind of a problem in itself. Like, the Iraq war via 2009 in relation to whatever reason we were there...we were nation building at that point in order to leave, whereas in the 'hood we're not doing any nation-building, we're just arresting people. It's treating the symptoms, not the disease.

so, in other words, post-civil-rights-era didn't evaporate discrimination, wealth/capital discrepancies, and other such problems that permeated and still permeate in black communities. Legal recognition of the African American community as equal human beings didn't evaporate the prejudices of the populace. And a nucleus of wealth to lift a demographic that has long been exploited does not develop in a couple generations, nor will it manifest itself fast if that demographic is not targeted in terms of reducing poverty.

So, the reason why there are as many problems as there are in black neighborhoods and the police presence there and so on is related to racism by neglecting to address problems within the community after the establishment shat on them for so many years.

[youngterrier]

It certainly does contradict what you say. You directly attributed the fact that police spend an inordinate amount of time in black neighborhoods as a function of racism. You butt up against first hand experience on a subject like this and your M.O. is to play the "I'd answer if only... X."


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Remember your life if experiencing it didn't count for nearly as much as his text book

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straw man. I actually take his experience at his word, and it doesn't contradict what I'm saying (in fact in some ways it qualifies what I'm saying). There's a difference between anecdotal experience "textbook experience" and general trends that effect society and can be quantified.

Textbook "experience" is at least slightly outdated, anecdotal has an infinitesimally small sample size, and general, quantifiable trends can be updated easily and are more adjusted to present conditions.

[youngterrier]

My position put simply is yes it is prejudiced, but racism is more than just prejudice. Racism is prejudice + power. And white people have all the power.

So, every comment that's racially insensitive is prejudiced, but not necessarily racist. follow? I'll admit I was inconsistent right there but I only made the concession because people focus more on the question of whether or not it's racist (ie hateful, and so on) and I'm trying to communicate a broader point and I don't want to be stuck on that one little tidbit which is basically and etymological miscommunication.

racism: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

2 : racial prejudice or discrimination

racist - a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others
Synonyms: racialist

Adj. 1. racist - based on racial intolerance; "racist remarks"
2. racist - discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion
Synonyms: anti-semite, antiblack, anti-Semitic

youngterrior: I can provide a dozen similar definitions of "racist" and "racism." The only place where racism is discussed in relation to social/economic/political power is in a college classroom. In other words...not in the real world.

You are on a fool's errand trying to get people to believe that "nigger" is worse than "cracker", and that black people are more hurt than a white person when such words are exchanged. Someone has duped you into believing that man has no free will.

Stop typing on this subject. Ironically, your stats mean little in the real world. "He did it first" makes sense only in the mind of anyone under 6-year's old. Hate is hate. Racism is racism...and racists are racists...regardless of some historical context.

In a way, you are similar to Joltin'Joe. You read something...something silly...written by scholars, and now you are trying to "educate" others to see the "broader" light that you see. Unfortunately, that broader light has blinded you to the obvious. You can't see the trees through your forest.

Oh shit, he quoted the dictionary, that shit must be infallible

(And I believe in free will as I have no choice)

I've also never taken a sociology class in my life.

The rest of your post isn't really worth addressing

[Ibanez]

You are an arrogant guy, YT. You should probably be teaching a lecture on 21st Century Race Relations.


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[93henfan]

You are an arrogant guy, YT. You should probably be teaching a lecture on 21st Century Race Relations.


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I was thinking he should go to Fordham Law School.

[HI54UNI]

I want to thank YT for helping me see the error of my ways. As a privileged white man I realize it is unfair that I serve as a local elected official on a board with 5 other white men and one white woman. I have too much power and this is terribly unfair to the minority kids in our school district. So I am going to resign at our meeting on Monday night and suggest the board appoint a minority to replace me.

And to increase the intellectual level of this thread even more I give you:



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[93henfan]

Watch out HI54. The black population in Iowa is burgeoning.

Up to 2.8% at the last census! You're no Montana (0.4%) anymore.

[clenz]

Watch out HI54. The black population in Iowa is burgeoning.

Up to 2.8% at the last census! You're no Montana (0.4%) anymore.

Yeah...but they only live in like 8 cities, so those who have to deal with them deal with a lot of them...


Waterloo, Cedar Rapids, Iowa City, Des Moines, Sioux City, Council Bluffs, Dubuque, and Davenport

[YoUDeeMan]

Oh shit, he quoted the dictionary, that shit must be infallible

(And I believe in free will as I have no choice)

I've also never taken a sociology class in my life.

The rest of your post isn't really worth addressing

1) Yes, I quoted a dictionary...and there are many more that back me up. What did you quote (don't worry, I'll answer that later)?

2) Everyone has free will. You don't seem to think blacks have enough of it.

3) I didn't say you took a sociology class. However, you ARE parroting what everyone learns in Sociology 101. Well, come to think of it, you are a terrier....so you are simply barking out that unoriginal crap.

4) The rest of it is the important part. You really are seeing only what you want to see. That sociology crap is rendered useless by the millions who have freed themselves from such thinking.

[ASUMountaineer]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGrX3zbxd6Y[/youtube]

The question mark should be inside the quotation marks.

[ASUMountaineer]

So, to sum up:

Only white people can be racist based on 2 things: 1) lack of pigment and 2) some sort of assigned social power.

Black people can only be prejudiced based on 2 things: 1) increase amount of pigment and 2) some sort of assigned lack of social power.

Duly noted.

[CID1990]

So, the reason why there are as many problems as there are in black neighborhoods and the police presence there and so on is related to racism by neglecting to address problems within the community after the establishment shat on them for so many years.

Good thesis. It'll be worth an A in civics class, but if you are somehow suggesting that the black community has been left out in the cold, you're wrong. For more than 50 years minority communities have been the recipients of a veritable Marshall Plan of government largesse that gets steadily bigger every year. 50 years. The only thing that has been achieved is to send those communities backwards into a de facto form of servitude (and any black person who dares break from this is immediately vilified by those still on the plantation). So are you suggesting more programs, more preferential treatment? Because the results of what has been done already doesn't appear to be enough for you.


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[grizzaholic]

Watch out HI54. The black population in Iowa is burgeoning.

Up to 2.8% at the last census! You're no Montana (0.4%) anymore.

I heard someone mentioned God's Country......

I will leave you all with this...because this thread has become a Spanos abortion because of YT.

[grizzaholic]

[grizzaholic]

[CID1990]

No jury would convict Zimmerman at this point. This is what happens when political prosecutors pander to minorities for votes. They overcharge people and then justice is served for nobody.


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[93henfan]

No jury would convict Zimmerman at this point. This is what happens when political prosecutors pander to minorities for votes. They overcharge people and then justice is served for nobody.


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Please, stay on topic. This thread is about white guilt.

[Ibanez]

No jury would convict Zimmerman at this point. This is what happens when political prosecutors pander to minorities for votes. They overcharge people and then justice is served for nobody.


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Please, stay on topic. This thread is about white guilt.

Guilt? I can't even spell that!


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[grizzaholic]

No jury would convict Zimmerman at this point. This is what happens when political prosecutors pander to minorities for votes. They overcharge people and then justice is served for nobody.


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Please, stay on topic. This thread is about white guilt.

The last couple pages seemed to be less about white guilt and more about YT's box having a sand overflow.

[Ibanez]

Please, stay on topic. This thread is about white guilt.

The last couple pages seemed to be less about white guilt and more about YT's box having a sand overflow.

Well if you had sand in your crack you would be upset.


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[Ivytalk]

No jury would convict Zimmerman at this point. This is what happens when political prosecutors pander to minorities for votes. They overcharge people and then justice is served for nobody.


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Please, stay on topic. This thread is about white guilt.

No, it's about bikinis!

[BDKJMU]

In Florida a judge can instruct a jury that they can consider a lesser charge.

At this moment, given all the information available right now, I think this is precisely what will happen. Zimmerman will be found not guilty of 2nd degree but guilty of manslaughter. He will get that max sentence of 20-30. The sentence will be completely political. I say this because I used to deal daily with guys who have murdered other guys just like them. These guys walk free because 1) nobody saw nuttin, and 2) the victim is also black. If Zimmerman was black this would just be another forgotten story about how the most dangerous thing to a black man in America is another black man between the ages of 15-32.

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No jury would convict Zimmerman at this point. This is what happens when political prosecutors pander to minorities for votes. They overcharge people and then justice is served for nobody.

Sent from the center of the universe.

So after Thur's trial you were thinking manslaughter is what he would be found guilty of. After Fri you don't think that anymore? Was there some game changer on Fri?

[houndawg]

In Florida a judge can instruct a jury that they can consider a lesser charge.

At this moment, given all the information available right now, I think this is precisely what will happen. Zimmerman will be found not guilty of 2nd degree but guilty of manslaughter. He will get that max sentence of 20-30. The sentence will be completely political. I say this because I used to deal daily with guys who have murdered other guys just like them. These guys walk free because 1) nobody saw nuttin, and 2) the victim is also black. If Zimmerman was black this would just be another forgotten story about how the most dangerous thing to a black man in America is another black man between the ages of 15-32.

Sent from the center of the universe.

No jury would convict Zimmerman at this point. This is what happens when political prosecutors pander to minorities for votes. They overcharge people and then justice is served for nobody.

Sent from the center of the universe.

So after Thur's trial you were thinking manslaughter is what he would be found guilty of. After Fri you don't think that anymore? Was there some game changer on Fri?

I think he means convict him of 2nd degree murder?

I think he was right the first time. He gets the max for manslaughter, best compromise verdict: 20 years. Keeps the natives mollified and gets another punk off the street that is more trouble than he is worth. Kinda wish my son and his girlfriend weren't moving to Tampa at the end of the month.

[D1B]

So after Thur's trial you were thinking manslaughter is what he would be found guilty of. After Fri you don't think that anymore? Was there some game changer on Fri?

I think he means convict him of 2nd degree murder?

I think he was right the first time. He gets the max for manslaughter, best compromise verdict: 20 years. Keeps the natives mollified and gets another punk off the street that is more trouble than he is worth. Kinda wish my son and his girlfriend weren't moving to Tampa at the end of the month.

He will appeal the manslaughter conviction.

[houndawg]

I think he means convict him of 2nd degree murder?

I think he was right the first time. He gets the max for manslaughter, best compromise verdict: 20 years. Keeps the natives mollified and gets another punk off the street that is more trouble than he is worth. Kinda wish my son and his girlfriend weren't moving to Tampa at the end of the month.

He will appeal the manslaughter conviction.

He will lose, not white enough to be worth saving from the mob.

Small price to keep things quiet.

The real question: How many packs of cigarettes will Akhbar Muhammad want for an evening of carnal pleasure with the Zimmster? Bruthas love that big booty....