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Food for thought, for those who care about genuine environmental protection. For those who don't care...move along and please keep your cheap shot remarks to yourself.

In light of data being released that confirmed 2008 was the 15th coldest year in the past thirty years, many people have begun questioning not just climate change, but much of the "science based" policy being generated by world governments, as discussed in this Daily Telegraph column on Dec. 31, 2008...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/colu ... roved.html

2008 was the year man-made global warming was disproved

Looking back over my columns of the past 12 months, one of their major themes was neatly encapsulated by two recent items from The Daily Telegraph.

The first, on May 21, headed "Climate change threat to Alpine ski resorts" , reported that the entire Alpine "winter sports industry" could soon "grind to a halt for lack of snow". The second, on December 19, headed "The Alps have best snow conditions in a generation" , reported that this winter's Alpine snowfalls "look set to beat all records by New Year's Day".

Easily one of the most important stories of 2008 has been all the evidence suggesting that this may be looked back on as the year when there was a turning point in the great worldwide panic over man-made global warming. Just when politicians in Europe and America have been adopting the most costly and damaging measures politicians have ever proposed, to combat this supposed menace, the tide has turned in three significant respects.

First, all over the world, temperatures have been dropping in a way wholly unpredicted by all those computer models which have been used as the main drivers of the scare. Last winter, as temperatures plummeted, many parts of the world had snowfalls on a scale not seen for decades. This winter, with the whole of Canada and half the US under snow, looks likely to be even worse. After several years flatlining, global temperatures have dropped sharply enough to cancel out much of their net rise in the 20th century.

Ever shriller and more frantic has become the insistence of the warmists, cheered on by their army of media groupies such as the BBC, that the last 10 years have been the "hottest in history" and that the North Pole would soon be ice-free – as the poles remain defiantly icebound and those polar bears fail to drown. All those hysterical predictions that we are seeing more droughts and hurricanes than ever before have infuriatingly failed to materialise.

Even the more cautious scientific acolytes of the official orthodoxy now admit that, thanks to "natural factors" such as ocean currents, temperatures have failed to rise as predicted (although they plaintively assure us that this cooling effect is merely "masking the underlying warming trend", and that the temperature rise will resume worse than ever by the middle of the next decade).

Secondly, 2008 was the year when any pretence that there was a "scientific consensus" in favour of man-made global warming collapsed. At long last, as in the Manhattan Declaration last March, hundreds of proper scientists, including many of the world's most eminent climate experts, have been rallying to pour scorn on that "consensus" which was only a politically engineered artefact, based on ever more blatantly manipulated data and computer models programmed to produce no more than convenient fictions.

Thirdly, as banks collapsed and the global economy plunged into its worst recession for decades, harsh reality at last began to break in on those self-deluding dreams which have for so long possessed almost every politician in the western world. As we saw in this month's Poznan conference, when 10,000 politicians, officials and "environmentalists" gathered to plan next year's "son of Kyoto" treaty in Copenhagen, panicking politicians are waking up to the fact that the world can no longer afford all those quixotic schemes for "combating climate change" with which they were so happy to indulge themselves in more comfortable times.

Suddenly it has become rather less appealing that we should divert trillions of dollars, pounds and euros into the fantasy that we could reduce emissions of carbon dioxide by 80 per cent. All those grandiose projects for "emissions trading", "carbon capture", building tens of thousands more useless wind turbines, switching vast areas of farmland from producing food to "biofuels", are being exposed as no more than enormously damaging and futile gestures, costing astronomic sums we no longer possess.

As 2009 dawns, it is time we in Britain faced up to the genuine crisis now fast approaching from the fact that – unless we get on very soon with building enough proper power stations to fill our looming "energy gap" - within a few years our lights will go out and what remains of our economy will judder to a halt. After years of infantile displacement activity, it is high time our politicians – along with those of the EU and President Obama's US – were brought back with a mighty jolt into contact with the real world.
...but moving into the meat and potatoes course of this topic, more than a few scientists, researchers, academics, and authors have begun questioning WHY these fear and hysteria-driven pseudo-science pandemics have developed...a topic framed by the late author Michael Crichton...

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BTW, if you don't think the "urbanization" adjustments Crichton referred to are a serious problem in the data set, here's some interesting links...

Gives overview of ongoing study detailing the errors being generated by "urbanized" data...

http://icecap.us/images/uploads/MSU_Sat ... _Bases.pdf

...and details of the project in .doc format (will open up with Wordpad, or convert to an .rtf file)...if you have participated in a research project, you'll find this "chronicle" fascinating. Develops many questions not being addressed.
http://icecap.us/images/uploads/DataIntegrity.doc

Finally, one of the major urbanization of data problems pertains to the exceptionally large number of rural weather stations that have been eliminated, or their data dropped from the Hadley datasets. U. of Delaware researcher David Legate created a simple .mpg Global Chart displaying every weather station included in the datasets, and a month-by-month visual record of the "active" sites, noting the HUGE number of rural stations that have been dropped from the data collection since 1990...takes a min. to load, and a couple of minutes to run through...but notice the "overnite" elimination of most rural stations immediately after 1989. One of those "in your face" disparities that the Alarmists won't acknowledge, much less discuss.
http://climate.geog.udel.edu/~climate/h ... ir_loc.mpg
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Good synopsis TMan and tend to agree with your assertions. However, based upon the thread title, I was having flashbacks to Rush Limpdik's "envirowhackos" terminology....glad I read further...
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Appaholic wrote:Good synopsis TMan and tend to agree with your assertions. However, based upon the thread title, I was having flashbacks to Rush Limpdik's "envirowhackos" terminology....glad I read further...
It's seems unreal that so many "environmental policies" being enacted are founded on myth, innuendo, conjecture, faux science, and in some cases, not backed up WITH ANY EVIDENCE OF A GENUINE "PROBLEM".
This urbanization adjustment of the data is just the tip of the iceberg ( :lol: ), and to think something as complex as global climate can be defined and converted into a rational function with a few decades of a few data types, AND the variables defined and controlled via computer models prepared by a few scientists who have since demonstrated an utter lack of respect for scientific process and discipline, is beyond defense.

Thanks for posting, Appa. BTW, here's some fresh science-based climate news fresh off the wire that for some reason seems to be viewed by MSM as a "denier" angle, so they're suppressing it...extremely fascinating article...with poli ramifications...if you want more info., Google "Climate Hackers" and you'll find more info...
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travelinman67 wrote:It's seems unreal that so many "environmental policies" being enacted are founded on myth, innuendo, conjecture, faux science, and in some cases, not backed up WITH ANY EVIDENCE OF A GENUINE "PROBLEM".
This urbanization adjustment of the data is just the tip of the iceberg ( :lol: ), and to think something as complex as global climate can be defined and converted into a rational function with a few decades of a few data types, AND the variables defined and controlled via computer models prepared by a few scientists who have since demonstrated an utter lack of respect for scientific process and discipline, is beyond defense.
That's my whole problem withe Global Warming Alarmists.....their propensity to declare, from on high, this "certainty" of man-made climate change and their quick fix. Seriouslyt.....carbon credits? Just another way to separate naive white liberals from their hard-pearned money while justifying their air of superiority. Is the climate changing? I think so....the biggest influence on this earth's climate (besides the sun) are the oceans and their temperatures have risen. Does man impact his environment? Of course...everything leaves a footprint....man, animal, plant. Do we fully understand our impact on the climate? Not with the limited data sets we have uncovered during the past centuries. But, we obviously should continue studyting while at the same time practicing ideals of stewardship. Do we know enough to create legislation that will have meaningful impact on ourt climate? You gotta be fokking kidding me....been to the DMV lately?
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travelinman67 wrote:It's seems unreal that so many "environmental policies" being enacted are founded on myth, innuendo, conjecture, faux science, and in some cases, not backed up WITH ANY EVIDENCE OF A GENUINE "PROBLEM".
This urbanization adjustment of the data is just the tip of the iceberg ( :lol: ), and to think something as complex as global climate can be defined and converted into a rational function with a few decades of a few data types, AND the variables defined and controlled via computer models prepared by a few scientists who have since demonstrated an utter lack of respect for scientific process and discipline, is beyond defense.
That's my whole problem withe Global Warming Alarmists.....their propensity to declare, from on high, this "certainty" of man-made climate change and their quick fix. Seriouslyt.....carbon credits? Just another way to separate naive white liberals from their hard-pearned money while justifying their air of superiority. Is the climate changing? I think so....the biggest influence on this earth's climate (besides the sun) are the oceans and their temperatures have risen. Does man impact his environment? Of course...everything leaves a footprint....man, animal, plant. Do we fully understand our impact on the climate? Not with the limited data sets we have uncovered during the past centuries. But, we obviously should continue studyting while at the same time practicing ideals of stewardship. Do we know enough to create legislation that will have meaningful impact on ourt climate? You gotta be fokking kidding me....been to the DMV lately?
Not familiar with their quick fix. Most I've read is it's gonna take awhile. The only quick thing is we need to start now.
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Appaholic wrote: That's my whole problem withe Global Warming Alarmists.....their propensity to declare, from on high, this "certainty" of man-made climate change and their quick fix. Seriouslyt.....carbon credits? Just another way to separate naive white liberals from their hard-pearned money while justifying their air of superiority. Is the climate changing? I think so....the biggest influence on this earth's climate (besides the sun) are the oceans and their temperatures have risen. Does man impact his environment? Of course...everything leaves a footprint....man, animal, plant. Do we fully understand our impact on the climate? Not with the limited data sets we have uncovered during the past centuries. But, we obviously should continue studyting while at the same time practicing ideals of stewardship. Do we know enough to create legislation that will have meaningful impact on ourt climate? You gotta be fokking kidding me....been to the DMV lately?
Not familiar with their quick fix. Most I've read is it's gonna take awhile. The only quick thing is we need to start now.
Fair enough....poor choice of words on my part.....so what is the fix? Show me the conclusive, or even overwhelming proof, that the legislation (and associated taxes, fees, etc) and edicts proposed by this crowd will have any substantive effect on stopping the current rise in ocean temperatures, earth's temeratures, etc......if your gonna pass around the hat and MANDATE that people contribute to the cause, then you need to be able to prove the cause will succeed.....forgive me if I will continue to use stewardship principles in leiu of purchasing carbon credits...
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Appaholic wrote:
D1B wrote: Not familiar with their quick fix. Most I've read is it's gonna take awhile. The only quick thing is we need to start now.
Fair enough....poor choice of words on my part.....so what is the fix? Show me the conclusive, or even overwhelming proof, that the legislation (and associated taxes, fees, etc) and edicts proposed by this crowd will have any substantive effect on stopping the current rise in ocean temperatures, earth's temeratures, etc......if your gonna pass around the hat and MANDATE that people contribute to the cause, then you need to be able to prove the cause will succeed.....forgive me if I will continue to use stewardship principles in leiu of purchasing carbon credits...
Yeah, I don't know squat bout carbon credits. Looks like some type of scam to me.
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D1B wrote:
Appaholic wrote: Fair enough....poor choice of words on my part.....so what is the fix? Show me the conclusive, or even overwhelming proof, that the legislation (and associated taxes, fees, etc) and edicts proposed by this crowd will have any substantive effect on stopping the current rise in ocean temperatures, earth's temeratures, etc......if your gonna pass around the hat and MANDATE that people contribute to the cause, then you need to be able to prove the cause will succeed.....forgive me if I will continue to use stewardship principles in leiu of purchasing carbon credits...
Yeah, I don't know squat bout carbon credits. Looks like some type of scam to me.
The stories about wealth redistribution are incredulous and seemingly non stop. Two small instances...the implementation of "voluntary" contribution vending machines at airports...

http://www.environmentalleader.com/2008 ... or-fliers/
San Francisco International Airport will soon be offering travelers the option to buy certified carbon offsets at airport kiosks, San Francisco Chronicle reports...

...Details of the SFO program are still being worked out, but the general idea is that travelers would key in their destination at a kiosk and the computer would calculate the carbon footprint and the cost to offset the emissions.

Figures on 3Degree’s Web-based “carbon calculator” suggests that a two-hour trip uses about 1,000 pounds of CO2 per person and the offset cost would be about $4.

Mike McCarron, an airport spokesman told San Francisco Chronicle that the projects offered will be chosen by the mayor’s office, in conjunction with 3Degrees, from a list certified by the city’s Environment Department. A portion of each offset purchase would also go to the San Francisco Carbon Fund.
(fck yeah...thank God someone is taking the time to set up kiosks so I can go voluntarily pay a fee to offset my evil ways...right before I board a flight with my $758 ticket that cost $412 two days ago, paying $25 for my checked bag, and adding $3 for a bottle of water, at which time I can pay $5 for a pillow to rest my head on... :silly: Might I suggest an airline executive mounted "bent over" at a ticket counter to more easily insert my rolled up "donation".)

...and NY's scheme...

http://www.environmentalleader.com/2008 ... n-credits/
People can buy credits to offset their carbon emissions from a Web site which will be activated early next year.

The move is the first of its kind in the U.S. by a toll-collecting agency, and is part of the Port Authority’s plan to become carbon neutral by 2010 and reduce its GHG emissions by 80 percent by 2050.
...or the best one yet...a company set up for the purpose of buying up "carbon credits" and "destroying them" for the sole purpose of driving up the price of "carbon credits"...

http://www.environmentalleader.com/2007 ... troy-them/
UK shopping portal GoCarbonFree is using its profits to buy carbon credits under the United Nations’ Clean Development Mechanism and destroys them, VNUNet reports.

The aim is to raise the price of carbon credits by taking some off the market, making them scarce and thus forcing businesses to buy fewer credits because they will be more expensive, and in turn forcing them to emit less carbon.

Jeremy Walters, marketing director at GoCarbonFree, admits that his company’s contribution to raising the price of carbon is a drop in the ocean at this stage.
...want me to keep going...I believe I can find some that are even more idiotic and unproductive...

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BTW, did anyone take the time to read the article on the use of iron to increase carbon sequestration? If not, please, please do. Most notable in that article is that despite a proposal that could contribute to reducing atmospheric CO2 concentrations, the U.N. has said "No" and is attempting to stop the testing.

Why?

If the situation is really so drastic that the U.N. and other Kool Aid Kountries need to impose a immediate fiscal penalties and taxes to "fund" these supposed "climate change" programs, then why would the U.N. so ardently attempt to prevent a program that could help reduce the CO2 concentrations without having to resort to a total re-engineering of every industrialized social order and economy. Think about that... :roll:
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travelinman67 wrote:
San Francisco International Airport will soon be offering travelers the option to buy certified carbon offsets at airport kiosks, San Francisco Chronicle reports...


(fck yeah...thank God someone is taking the time to set up kiosks so I can go voluntarily pay a fee to offset my evil ways...right before I board a flight with my $758 ticket that cost $412 two days ago, paying $25 for my checked bag, and adding $3 for a bottle of water, at which time I can pay $5 for a pillow to rest my head on... :silly: Might I suggest an airline executive mounted "bent over" at a ticket counter to more easily insert my rolled up "donation".)
But, T-Man, they're CERTIFIED. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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But, T-Man, they're CERTIFIABLE. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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You know....you gotta wonder how many carbon credits were used to construct the kiosks? Are the materials certified organic and sustainable? What kind of power source is used for the electrical transactions.....
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Appaholic wrote:You know....you gotta wonder how many carbon credits were used to construct the kiosks? Are the materials certified organic and sustainable? What kind of power source is used for the electrical transactions.....
It's ALLLLLL part of that donk double standard. Do as we SAY, not as we do.... :lol: :lol:
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Appaholic wrote:You know....you gotta wonder how many carbon credits were used to construct the kiosks? Are the materials certified organic and sustainable? What kind of power source is used for the electrical transactions.....
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Huh...even the greenies are jumping off The Liar Gore's ship...

From HuffingtonPost, Green editor Harold Ambler on the failing AGW scam...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/harold-am ... 54982.html

Mr. Gore: Apology Accepted
Posted January 3, 2009 | 11:36 AM (EST)

Author's summation of somewhat lengthy discussion of disproven AGW theories...
If not carbon dioxide, what does "drive" climate? I am glad you are wondering about that. In the short term, it is ocean cycles, principally the Pacific Decadal Oscillation, the "super cycle" of which cooling La Niñas and warming El Niños are parts. Having been in its warm phase, in which El Niños predominate, for the 30 years ending in late 2006, the Pacific Decadal Oscillation switched to its cool phase, in which La Niñas predominate.
Since that time, already, a number of interesting things have taken place. One La Niña lowered temperatures around the globe for about half of the year just ended, and another La Niña shows evidence of beginning in the equatorial Pacific waters. During the last twelve months, many interesting cold-weather events happened to occur: record snow in the European Alps, China, New Zealand, Australia, Brazil, the Pacific Northwest, Alaska, the Rockies, the upper Midwest, Las Vegas, Houston, and New Orleans. There was also, for the first time in at least 100 years, snow in Baghdad.

Concurrent with the switchover of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation to its cool phase the Sun has entered a period of deep slumber. The number of sunspots for 2008 was the second lowest of any year since 1901. That matters less because of fluctuations in the amount of heat generated by the massive star in our near proximity (although there are some fluctuations that may have some measurable effect on global temperatures) and more because of a process best described by the Danish physicist Henrik Svensmark in his complex, but elegant, work The Chilling Stars. In the book, the modern Galileo, for he is nothing less, establishes that cosmic rays from deep space seed clouds over Earth's oceans. Regulating the number of cosmic rays reaching Earth's atmosphere is the solar wind; when it is strong, we get fewer cosmic rays. When it is weak, we get more. As NASA has corroborated, the number of cosmic rays passing through our atmosphere is at the maximum level since measurements have been taken, and show no signs of diminishing. The result: the seeding of what some have taken to calling "Svensmark clouds," low dense clouds, principally over the oceans, that reflect sunlight back to space before it can have its warming effect on whatever is below.

Svensmark has proven, in the minds of most who have given his work a full hearing, that it is this very process that produced the episodes of cooling (and, inversely, warming) of our own era and past eras. The clearest instance of the process, by far, is that of the Maunder Minimum, which refers to a period from 1650 to 1700, during which the Sun had not a single spot on its face. Temperatures around the globe plummeted, with quite adverse effects: crop failures (remember the witch burnings in Europe and Massachusetts?), famine, and societal stress.

Many solar physicists anticipate that the slumbering Sun of early 2009 is likely to continue for at least two solar cycles, or about the next 25 years. Whether the Grand Solar Minimum, if it comes to pass, is as serious as the Maunder Minimum is not knowable, at present. Major solar minima (and maxima, such as the one during the second half of the 20th century) have also been shown to correlate with significant volcanic eruptions. These are likely the result of solar magnetic flux affecting geomagnetic flux, which affects the distribution of magma in Earth's molten iron core and under its thin mantle. So, let us say, just for the sake of argument, that such an eruption takes place over the course of the next two decades. Like all major eruptions, this one will have a temporary cooling effect on global temperatures, perhaps a large one. The larger the eruption, the greater the effect. History shows that periods of cold are far more stressful to humanity than periods of warm. Would the eruption and consequent cooling be a climate-modifier that exists outside of nature, somehow? Who is the "flat-Earther" now?

What about heat escaping from volcanic vents in the ocean floor? What about the destruction of warming, upper-atmosphere ozone by cosmic rays? I could go on, but space is short. Again, who is the "flat-Earther" here?

The ocean-atmosphere system is not a simple one that can be "ruled" by a trace atmospheric gas. It is a complex, chaotic system, largely modulated by solar effects (both direct and indirect), as shown by the Little Ice Age.

To be told, as I have been, by Mr. Gore, again and again, that carbon dioxide is a grave threat to humankind is not just annoying, by the way, although it is that! To re-tool our economies in an effort to suppress carbon dioxide and its imaginary effect on climate, when other, graver problems exist is, simply put, wrong. Particulate pollution, such as that causing the Asian brown cloud, is a real problem. Two billion people on Earth living without electricity, in darkened huts and hovels polluted by charcoal smoke, is a real problem.

So, let us indeed start a Manhattan Project-like mission to create alternative sources of energy. And, in the meantime, let us neither cripple our own economy by mislabeling carbon dioxide a pollutant nor discourage development in the Third World, where suffering continues unabated, day after day.

Again, Mr. Gore, I accept your apology.

And, Mr. Obama, though I voted for you for a thousand times a thousand reasons, I hope never to need one from you.

P.S. One of the last, desperate canards proposed by climate alarmists is that of the polar ice caps. Look at the "terrible," "unprecedented" melting in the Arctic in the summer of 2007, they say. Well, the ice in the Arctic basin has always melted and refrozen, and always will. Any researcher who wants to find a single molecule of ice that has been there longer than 30 years is going to have a hard job, because the ice has always been melted from above (by the midnight Sun of summer) and below (by relatively warm ocean currents, possibly amplified by volcanic venting) -- and on the sides, again by warm currents. Scientists in the alarmist camp have taken to referring to "old ice," but, again, this is a misrepresentation of what takes place in the Arctic.

More to the point, 2007 happened also to be the time of maximum historic sea ice in Antarctica. (There are many credible sources of this information, such as the following website maintained by the University of Illinois-Urbana: http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere ... .south.jpg). Why, I ask, has Mr. Gore not chosen to mention the record growth of sea ice around Antarctica? If the record melting in the Arctic is significant, then the record sea ice growth around Antarctica is, too, I say. If one is insignificant, then the other one is, too.

For failing to mention the 2007 Antarctic maximum sea ice record a single time, I also accept your apology, Mr. Gore. By the way, your contention that the Arctic basin will be "ice free" in summer within five years (which you said last month in Germany), is one of the most demonstrably false comments you have dared to make. Thank you for that!
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Environmentalism as Religion

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The so-called "consensus" gets called out....

...yet is a no-show?

Never saw that coming! :roll:
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Re: Environmentalism as Religion

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AZGrizFan wrote:
travelinman67 wrote:
But, T-Man, they're CERTIFIED. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Being Certified means that you are paying somebody to keep track of them to make sure you are not selling the same ones over and over. Here's an example http://www.green-e.org/

Carbon credits and green tags are a HUGE scam. Some groups are trying to do good with them but for most it is just a way to make money. Capitalism at its finest.
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HI54UNI wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
But, T-Man, they're CERTIFIED. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Being Certified means that you are paying somebody to keep track of them to make sure you are not selling the same ones over and over. Here's an example http://www.green-e.org/

Carbon credits and green tags are a HUGE scam. Some groups are trying to do good with them but for most it is just a way to make money. Capitalism at its finest.

Oh, and if anybody is feeling guilty today about their carbon footprint let me know. We've got about 4,700 credits to sell at work from our wind energy production. I'll sell them to you for a $10 each. I'll even CERTIFY them for you.
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Naw...

I can get 'em for $5 a piece by loitering around abortion clinics and buying them off of women who abort their children. At $5, that'll buy 'em a pack of cigarettes or a couple of 40 ouncers.

Or just wait until the U.S. buys them from China for $20, then resells them to Americans for $2/ea.


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Dude....
Christopher Booker is a known fraud - in fact is constantly under investigation for a variety of reasons... he prints whatever he wants, he lists no sources and when he does list sources they are frauds, one of his most commonly referenced scientific sources was arrested for "false credentials" and "fraud"...

printing an article written by Christopher Booker as fact is akin to me saying "Al Gore said so" - get with the program T-MAn and use real Data



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travelinman67 wrote:Naw...

I can get 'em for $5 a piece by loitering around abortion clinics and buying them off of women who abort their children. At $5, that'll buy 'em a pack of cigarettes or a couple of 40 ouncers.

Or just wait until the U.S. buys them from China for $20, then resells them to Americans for $2/ea.


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But they wouldn't be CERTIFIED!

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Cleets Part 2 wrote:Dude....
Christopher Booker is a known fraud - in fact is constantly under investigation for a variety of reasons... he prints whatever he wants, he lists no sources and when he does list sources they are frauds, one of his most commonly referenced scientific sources was arrested for "false credentials" and "fraud"...

printing an article written by Christopher Booker as fact is akin to me saying "Al Gore said so" - get with the program T-MAn and use real Data
:lol:
Nice spin, Hippie. Booker's chief critic, George "Moonbat" Monbiot, is a fugitive from justice in Indonesia, having been sentenced to life imprisonment for publishing lies about their government. Monbiot is a professional political activist whose focus is extremist environmental actions. His last public presence was an attempt to effect a "citizens arrest" of John Bolton at a speaking engagement...for which he was physically ejected from the function by security guards. :lol:

The chief complaints against Booker is his assertion that so-called "white asbestos" (chrysotile) was benign and not subject to the same health issues as "gray asbestos" (amosite) or "blue asbestos (crocidolite). While not substantiated by the legal community, Booker's research was used to "sabotage" several major injury cases, hence his notoriety.

If you have other alleged "attack the denier" info, please share it.
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travelinman67 wrote:
Cleets Part 2 wrote:Dude....
Christopher Booker is a known fraud - in fact is constantly under investigation for a variety of reasons... he prints whatever he wants, he lists no sources and when he does list sources they are frauds, one of his most commonly referenced scientific sources was arrested for "false credentials" and "fraud"...

printing an article written by Christopher Booker as fact is akin to me saying "Al Gore said so" - get with the program T-MAn and use real Data
:lol:
Nice spin, Hippie. Booker's chief critic, George "Moonbat" Monbiot, is a fugitive from justice in Indonesia, having been sentenced to life imprisonment for publishing lies about their government. Monbiot is a professional political activist whose focus is extremist environmental actions. His last public presence was an attempt to effect a "citizens arrest" of John Bolton at a speaking engagement...for which he was physically ejected from the function by security guards. :lol:

The chief complaints against Booker is his assertion that so-called "white asbestos" (chrysotile) was benign and not subject to the same health issues as "gray asbestos" (amosite) or "blue asbestos (crocidolite). While not substantiated by the legal community, Booker's research was used to "sabotage" several major injury cases, hence his notoriety.

If you have other alleged "attack the denier" info, please share it.

Of course, you have not noticed (along the way) that your religion is that of "anti-Global Warming" so what's the difference... you're an "all-or-nothing" kind of guy...

And yes, two crazy pseudo-scientists battling each other (Booker vs. Monboit) must mean that one is completely correct while the other is a "whack-o" but as it turns out...

They're both completely nuts...
so again, my point: Using Chris Booker as your "source" is about like using Al Gore as your source... :lol:


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Cleets Part 2 wrote:
travelinman67 wrote:
Nice spin, Hippie. Booker's chief critic, George "Moonbat" Monbiot, is a fugitive from justice in Indonesia, having been sentenced to life imprisonment for publishing lies about their government. Monbiot is a professional political activist whose focus is extremist environmental actions. His last public presence was an attempt to effect a "citizens arrest" of John Bolton at a speaking engagement...for which he was physically ejected from the function by security guards. :lol:

The chief complaints against Booker is his assertion that so-called "white asbestos" (chrysotile) was benign and not subject to the same health issues as "gray asbestos" (amosite) or "blue asbestos (crocidolite). While not substantiated by the legal community, Booker's research was used to "sabotage" several major injury cases, hence his notoriety.

If you have other alleged "attack the denier" info, please share it.

Of course, you have not noticed (along the way) that your religion is that of "anti-Global Warming" so what's the difference... you're an "all-or-nothing" kind of guy...

And yes, two crazy pseudo-scientists battling each other (Booker vs. Monboit) must mean that one is completely correct while the other is a "whack-o" but as it turns out...

They're both completely nuts...
so again, my point: Using Chris Booker as your "source" is about like using Al Gore as your source... :lol:


You become what you hate T-man (and you're brimming with it)
If you look at the "counterpoint" to Booker's challenge, you'd have noticed it was chock full of logical gaps. You may undermine Booker's credibility, but as with the entire AGW whack-a-doodle crowd, you have not refuted or disproven his assertion. I, and tens of thousands of scientists, have disproven the "Gore version" AGW theory
REPEATEDLY!!!!!

You can hop up and down and yip for the rest of your life, yet the facts remain...AGW is a false theory built upon political propoganda and the pseudo-science of social engineering, not natural science.

And you defend it...?

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Liberals true agenda..."punish Americans".

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