AZGrizFan wrote:
So what? We have to vacate some meaningless wins a few years ago...BFD. Sa'll good now. EWU should prepare to get their asses kicked.
So you think all will back to usual then?
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Having Johnson back will be huge, but I think the coaching situation is still pretty iffy. If they can learn from their boneheaded mistakes last season, and the secondary improves significantly, this team will be tough to beat.
As far as the sanctions go, the only one that really matters is the docking of scholarships, and even then, they're limiting us to the exact number that we used last season.
EWURanger wrote:
So you think all will back to usual then?
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Having Johnson back will be huge, but I think the coaching situation is still pretty iffy. If they can learn from their boneheaded mistakes last season, and the secondary improves significantly, this team will be tough to beat.
As far as the sanctions go, the only one that really matters is the docking of scholarships, and even then, they're limiting us to the exact number that we used last season.
Getting Johnson back will help the offense out a lot, and as usual Montana's offensive line and running game will be dominant. The bigger questions to me are A) Your coaching, and B) Can you stop the pass - as you alluded to.
For me the jury is still out on your coaching staff - I'll give em a bye for last season because of all the off the field drama.
On the secondary - do you have different safeties this season? Because if it's those same two Griz fans better hope they made a shitload of improvement in the off-season. Collectively that secondary was horrendous.
I think that the secondary play will improve just as long as the defense isnt on the field 80% of the game. I believe our offense this year will be able to move the ball and substain their drives. There were too many 3 and outs last year and it really hurt our D, especially in the 2nd half...
Grizalltheway wrote:
Well, unless you have another Kaufmann waiting in the wings, there's inevitably going to be some sort of drop off from last season. Doesn't mean you'll be bad, but I don't see the same kind of comebacks like the UM and SHSU games happening.
We won't be needing to come back, we'll be holding leads.
The offense won't look the same as last year not just because of not having Kauf, Edwards and Herd, but because there have been some scheme tweaks. An even more improved running game, a dual threat QB, and smaller, faster WRs... I'll leave you to fill in the blanks.
In his first year at EWU last year, running backs coach Kiel McDonald almost doubled our rushing yardage from 2011 (from 869 yards to 1,729) while improving our yards-per-rush from 3.0 to 3.7, and 100 first downs converted via the run, vs. 53 in 2011. We return all of our RBs, plus Mario Brown who redshirted last year, and return 4/5 on the OL.
This.
We don't have a 6'5" Kaufmann waiting in the wings but we have a couple of potential Eric Kimble/Aaron Boyce types. Plus our number 4 WR from last year, Ashton Clark is back. Before you roll your eyes, he caught 49 balls for 650 yards and 5 TD's...despite playing behind the big 3 and he actually put up better numbers across the board than Edwards (although IIRC Nick was dinged up a little).
We are also very deep at TE and I'd expect them to see a few more balls thrown their way.
As mentioned, I'm not all that concerned about offensive productivity. Expect gaudy EWU like numbers...just a slightly different approach than you're used to.
Grizalltheway wrote:
Well, unless you have another Kaufmann waiting in the wings, there's inevitably going to be some sort of drop off from last season. Doesn't mean you'll be bad, but I don't see the same kind of comebacks like the UM and SHSU games happening.
We get it, it's another one of those "You lost Taiwan Jones, so you guys are going to suck this year" type assessments. The problem with these arguments is that we always replace that talent with someone else.
Except you did (comparatively) suck after you lost Taiwan Jones—you went 6-5 after being the preseason #1.
EWURanger wrote:
We get it, it's another one of those "You lost Taiwan Jones, so you guys are going to suck this year" type assessments. The problem with these arguments is that we always replace that talent with someone else.
Except you did (comparatively) suck after you lost Taiwan Jones—you went 6-5 after being the preseason #1.
Except we actually went 8-5 after we lost Taiwan Jones with wins over top 10 Nova and Delaware.
EWURanger wrote:
We get it, it's another one of those "You lost Taiwan Jones, so you guys are going to suck this year" type assessments. The problem with these arguments is that we always replace that talent with someone else.
Except you did (comparatively) suck after you lost Taiwan Jones—you went 6-5 after being the preseason #1.
Being decimated by injuries early on in the season had more to do with that than losing Jones did.
Grizalltheway wrote:Having Johnson back will be huge, but I think the coaching situation is still pretty iffy. If they can learn from their boneheaded mistakes last season, and the secondary improves significantly, this team will be tough to beat.
I only recall 3 "boneheaded" mistakes, and only one cost the Griz a game: the weird punt return stuff against Suutah. The surprise onside against NAU didn't affect anything (NAU still ended up punting), and neither did the kicking off both halves against NoCo (which I still suspect was Delaney covering for a screw-up by a captain).
The main problem was a general lack of cohesion that was partly due to Delaney not wanting to change a bunch of things up after getting the job in the middle of the offseason. Most of the issues appeared to center around Rosenbach (who I'm guessing was brought in by Pflugrad to just be a glorified QB coach), though, & he's gone.
I still don't have a good undertanding of why they brought Rosenbach in. Why would you bring a pro-style pass-oriented offense type guy into run a spread option offense? That was a real head scratcher.
EWURanger wrote:I still don't have a good undertanding of why they brought Rosenbach in. Why would you bring a pro-style pass-oriented offense type guy into run a spread option offense? That was a real head scratcher.
Because, like I said, I don't think he was meant to run the offense. I think Pflugrad was going to run it & Rosenbach was going to assist/coach QBs.
EWURanger wrote:I still don't have a good undertanding of why they brought Rosenbach in. Why would you bring a pro-style pass-oriented offense type guy into run a spread option offense? That was a real head scratcher.
Because, like I said, I don't think he was meant to run the offense. I think Pflugrad was going to run it & Rosenbach was going to assist/coach QBs.
This. Pflu was quoted saying Rosenbach was hired to help JJ develop as a QB.
Losing 3 wide receivers on a semifinalist squad to graduation = 4-7 season
Returning a quarterback to a 5-6 (3-5) squad after a year away from the game = 10-2 season
Harvard of the West indeed...
I wouldn't bet on those records but I do think the loss of those three WRs is very significant. So is the return of our semifinalist QB. We were lost without a proper QB last year.
Losing 3 wide receivers on a semifinalist squad to graduation = 4-7 season
Returning a quarterback to a 5-6 (3-5) squad after a year away from the game = 10-2 season
Harvard of the West indeed...
I wouldn't bet on those records but I do think the loss of those three WRs is very significant. So is the return of our semifinalist QB. We were lost without a proper QB last year.
That and, like Mvem said, their schedule is insanely difficult, whereas ours is relatively easy. Cheney Community College, indeed.
Losing 3 wide receivers on a semifinalist squad to graduation = 4-7 season
Returning a quarterback to a 5-6 (3-5) squad after a year away from the game = 10-2 season
Harvard of the West indeed...
Beagles logic: Lose top 3 WR to the NFL, don't skip a beat.
Bring back starting QB to a team that returns 19 starters, no impact.
I didn't see any EWU fans claiming that we wouldn't be affected by the loss, nor did anyone imply having Johnson back would have "no impact." I was just saying I highly doubt losing 3 skill players from our team will result in us having our worst season since 2006. I'll admit there is a valid argument about our schedule, but I don't see us dropping that many BSC games.
AZGrizFan wrote:
Beagles logic: Lose top 3 WR to the NFL, don't skip a beat.
Bring back starting QB to a team that returns 19 starters, no impact.
I didn't see any EWU fans claiming that we wouldn't be affected by the loss, nor did anyone imply having Johnson back would have "no impact." I was just saying I highly doubt losing 3 skill players from our team will result in us having our worst season since 2006. I'll admit there is a valid argument about our schedule, but I don't see us dropping that many BSC games.
I don't see Eastern being that bad, but I think 7-5 or 8-4 is a possibility.
As for the Griz, I think JJ will make a significant impact. It's easy to look at our games last year and say "the pass defense was the problem", and it was a problem, but the far bigger problem was the lack of offensive production when we needed it most. When your offense can't get a first down for a quarter or two, and you have a defensive weakness, it's going to look a lot worse than it may really be had your offense been able to stay on the field. Also remember that we now have an OC that's actually committed to the team and its success. 10-2 may be a bit of a stretch, but I don't think it's impossible at all.
AZGrizFan wrote:
Beagles logic: Lose top 3 WR to the NFL, don't skip a beat.
Bring back starting QB to a team that returns 19 starters, no impact.
I didn't see any EWU fans claiming that we wouldn't be affected by the loss, nor did anyone imply having Johnson back would have "no impact." I was just saying I highly doubt losing 3 skill players from our team will result in us having our worst season since 2006. I'll admit there is a valid argument about our schedule, but I don't see us dropping that many BSC games.
And actually, it's Cheney Normal School.
Go spend some time on egriz, where Cheney Normal School fans go full retard on a regular basis.
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formerEag wrote:
I didn't see any EWU fans claiming that we wouldn't be affected by the loss, nor did anyone imply having Johnson back would have "no impact." I was just saying I highly doubt losing 3 skill players from our team will result in us having our worst season since 2006. I'll admit there is a valid argument about our schedule, but I don't see us dropping that many BSC games.
And actually, it's Cheney Normal School.
Go spend some time on egriz, where Griz fans go full retard on a regular basis, and Cheney Normal School fans pour gas on the dumpster fire.
AZGrizFan wrote:
Go spend some time on egriz, where Griz fans go full retard on a regular basis, and Cheney Normal School fans pour gas on the dumpster fire.
That dumpster fire is about to put some Beagles in the hospital with 3rd degree burns.
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"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam." Barack Obama, 9/25/12
