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CS Politics and History Book Club: August 2013
The Cap'n's read many fascinating volumes in the last couple of months.
1. The Life of Johnny Reb/The Life of Billy Yank
Two separate books published years apart, bound in one volume. Author chronicles the everyday life of Confederate soldiers and Federal soldiers before and during the Civil War. Not really a fan of Civil War shit and much more interested in 20th century war-related, I still found both books very fascinating for the detail. Interesting that 90% of the information is gathered not from so-called historical experts, but, rather, from letters and other documents scribed by the soldiers themselves to relatives back home and friends elsewhere. Down to the hen's teeth are descriptions of their weapons, their food, camp life, marching, travel, battle scenes and much more etc. Very humorous at times, especially the name-calling between the two sides.
Largest take away from the volumes? Much Civil War history, it appears to me, focuses on battles and politics when there was an enormous human side to the story. Also, neither side was much prepared to fight the Civil War, it seems. Lots of flag waving and huzzahs and over-exuberant patriotism around the time of Fort Sumter and such (like modern-day Conks with Iraq or any conflict in which non-whites and non-Christians can be killed ) but all that waned after a few months as both sides realized it was gonna be a long drawn-out affair. Rifles and clothes were shitty for both sides; food sucked, especially for the Rebs. Shelter was dilapidated, illness rampant, most officers were incompetent (often attained their positions by popularity contests, North and South) and pay was low. Desertions and post abandonment hit the South something fierce beginning somewhat early mostly due to conditions, not for lack of courage or fight in the ranks.
Cap'n Cat's Rating: Four Sticky Paws Up (4 out of 4)
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2. American Prometheus: The Triumph and Tragedy of J. Robert Oppenheimer
If there is someone out there who really hates Conkunism and dangerous patriotism, he must read this book. Follows the life of atom bomb physicist J. Robert Oppenheimer from birth through his remarkable career and ultimate sad decline and death, victim of the hysterical anti-Red shit of the 1940's and 1950's. The man was harassed from the 1930's when a professor at Berkeley virtually all the way until his death in the mid 1960's. Gnat's ass detail about everything he did, everywhere he went, etc, paints a terrific portrait of a true American patriot ruined by Conkunist paranoia. His crime? Coming out against use of the bomb he helped create. Two people who come out of this book looking particularly bad were Harry Truman (impulsive simpleton) and J. Edgar Hoover (power-mad marionette puppeteer, liar and general louse).
Later in his life, Oppenheimer was "rehabilitated" under Democrat administrations and became an in-demand speaker around the world on the topic of nuclear proliferation. Received honors all over the world, yet fucked at home. America does that.
Very long book, but worth the read. Touched on a couple of the longtime affairs he conducted with colleagues' wives, seems the guy was quite a pussy-hound. Interesting to read what happened to his wife and two children after his death. Read and find out.
Throughout, while reading of his trials and hurt, I could not help but think of assholes like Bush and Cheney and Rummy and the whackjobs on the far right of the spectrum, such as Bachmann and Perry and Priebus and Santorum. Back then, the bogeyman was Communism, whereas today, it's all brown-skinned people and their religions.
Cap'n Cat's Rating: Four Sticky Paws Up (4/4)
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1. The Life of Johnny Reb/The Life of Billy Yank
Two separate books published years apart, bound in one volume. Author chronicles the everyday life of Confederate soldiers and Federal soldiers before and during the Civil War. Not really a fan of Civil War shit and much more interested in 20th century war-related, I still found both books very fascinating for the detail. Interesting that 90% of the information is gathered not from so-called historical experts, but, rather, from letters and other documents scribed by the soldiers themselves to relatives back home and friends elsewhere. Down to the hen's teeth are descriptions of their weapons, their food, camp life, marching, travel, battle scenes and much more etc. Very humorous at times, especially the name-calling between the two sides.
Largest take away from the volumes? Much Civil War history, it appears to me, focuses on battles and politics when there was an enormous human side to the story. Also, neither side was much prepared to fight the Civil War, it seems. Lots of flag waving and huzzahs and over-exuberant patriotism around the time of Fort Sumter and such (like modern-day Conks with Iraq or any conflict in which non-whites and non-Christians can be killed ) but all that waned after a few months as both sides realized it was gonna be a long drawn-out affair. Rifles and clothes were shitty for both sides; food sucked, especially for the Rebs. Shelter was dilapidated, illness rampant, most officers were incompetent (often attained their positions by popularity contests, North and South) and pay was low. Desertions and post abandonment hit the South something fierce beginning somewhat early mostly due to conditions, not for lack of courage or fight in the ranks.
Cap'n Cat's Rating: Four Sticky Paws Up (4 out of 4)
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2. American Prometheus: The Triumph and Tragedy of J. Robert Oppenheimer
If there is someone out there who really hates Conkunism and dangerous patriotism, he must read this book. Follows the life of atom bomb physicist J. Robert Oppenheimer from birth through his remarkable career and ultimate sad decline and death, victim of the hysterical anti-Red shit of the 1940's and 1950's. The man was harassed from the 1930's when a professor at Berkeley virtually all the way until his death in the mid 1960's. Gnat's ass detail about everything he did, everywhere he went, etc, paints a terrific portrait of a true American patriot ruined by Conkunist paranoia. His crime? Coming out against use of the bomb he helped create. Two people who come out of this book looking particularly bad were Harry Truman (impulsive simpleton) and J. Edgar Hoover (power-mad marionette puppeteer, liar and general louse).
Later in his life, Oppenheimer was "rehabilitated" under Democrat administrations and became an in-demand speaker around the world on the topic of nuclear proliferation. Received honors all over the world, yet fucked at home. America does that.
Very long book, but worth the read. Touched on a couple of the longtime affairs he conducted with colleagues' wives, seems the guy was quite a pussy-hound. Interesting to read what happened to his wife and two children after his death. Read and find out.
Throughout, while reading of his trials and hurt, I could not help but think of assholes like Bush and Cheney and Rummy and the whackjobs on the far right of the spectrum, such as Bachmann and Perry and Priebus and Santorum. Back then, the bogeyman was Communism, whereas today, it's all brown-skinned people and their religions.
Cap'n Cat's Rating: Four Sticky Paws Up (4/4)
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Half way through this one. Funny as shit.
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Whazzat all about, Andrew?andy7171 wrote:Half way through this one. Funny as shit.
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A murder in the Florida Keys. Being investigated by a former dective now restuarant inspector because the new sherrif doesn't want the bad publicity. Highly recomment it.Cap'n Cat wrote:Whazzat all about, Andrew?andy7171 wrote:Half way through this one. Funny as shit.
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I can't spell for shit.
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Cap'n Cat is an excellent speller because he went to a Catholic grade school. You musta been home-schooled.andy7171 wrote:I can't spell for shit.
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Naw, he just went to Townsend.Cap'n Cat wrote:Cap'n Cat is an excellent speller because he went to a Catholic grade school. You musta been home-schooled.andy7171 wrote:I can't spell for shit.
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I just re-read the thread title, apparently reading comprehension isn't high on my list of skills either.
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Trotsky: A Biography [Robert Service, 2009 ]. Fluid read; extensively researched; intimate understanding of factions in the RSDLP and Bolshevik/Communist Party. Service is not a Trotskyist, a departure from previous biographers like Isaac Deutscher. Convincingly rejects accepted understandings and mythology of Trotsky, especially concerning his rivalry with Stalin and his legacy as a democratic alternative to the horrors and repression that characterized the USSR from 1928-1953.
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Afghanistan: A Military History From Alexander the Great to the War Against the Taliban, Revised Edition [Stephen Tanner, 2009]. Short bibliography; no footnotes; heavy reliance on secondary sources; no foreign-language sources. Fluid prose but a lot of fluff in first 100 pages; some factual errors. Excruciatingly difficult topic; book's utility greatly limited by lack of sources; more or less acceptable overall introduction to Afghanistan. Common themes: fickle nature of tribal politics and support, control of cities vs. control of countryside.
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Cool, Hoser. Read a bio of Trotsky years and years ago in college. Cool contribution!Hoseinexile07 wrote:
Trotsky: A Biography [Robert Service, 2009 ]. Fluid read; extensively researched; intimate understanding of factions in the RSDLP and Bolshevik/Communist Party. Service is not a Trotskyist, a departure from previous biographers like Isaac Deutscher. Convincingly rejects accepted understandings and mythology of Trotsky, especially concerning his rivalry with Stalin and his legacy as a democratic alternative to the horrors and repression that characterized the USSR from 1928-1953.
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^^^ You probably read Isaac Deutscher's. It, for quite a while, was considered orthodoxy as far as Trotsky goes.
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Sh!t you beat me too it..!!!AZGrizFan wrote:Naw, he just went to Townsend.Cap'n Cat wrote:
Cap'n Cat is an excellent speller because he went to a Catholic grade school. You musta been home-schooled.
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Don't you have a Patriot League messageboard to police?Chizzang wrote:Sh!t you beat me too it..!!!AZGrizFan wrote:
Naw, he just went to Townsend.
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One of the most unappreciated geniuses ever. Made contributions to mathematics even after pretty much all of the relatively easy math puzzles had been solved. Made considerable contributions to science as well. Einstein and other major physicists of his day get credit for elucidating the principles behind nuclear energy but VonNeumann is responsible for the very complex calculations and engineering involved in creating the first nuclear devices.
He should be as famous as Darwin is and Darwin should as obscure as he is. More obscure in fact.
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Nice. May have to get this one, Pawnsy. As an under appreciated genius myself, I have a certain affinity for his dilemma.Pwns wrote:
One of the most unappreciated geniuses ever. Made contributions to mathematics even after pretty much all of the relatively easy math puzzles had been solved. Made considerable contributions to science as well. Einstein and other major physicists of his day get credit for elucidating the principles behind nuclear energy but VonNeumann is responsible for the very complex calculations and engineering involved in creating the first nuclear devices.
He should be as famous as Darwin is and Darwin should as obscure as he is. More obscure in fact.
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The butthurt is strong in this creationist! Next you're going to tell us Watson and Crick should have been put to death for blasphemy.Pwns wrote:
One of the most unappreciated geniuses ever. Made contributions to mathematics even after pretty much all of the relatively easy math puzzles had been solved. Made considerable contributions to science as well. Einstein and other major physicists of his day get credit for elucidating the principles behind nuclear energy but VonNeumann is responsible for the very complex calculations and engineering involved in creating the first nuclear devices.
He should be as famous as Darwin is and Darwin should as obscure as he is. More obscure in fact.
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About 1/2 way through this one ...
Digging it so far.
Digging it so far.
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STILL can't believe my beloved school turned out a Conk..........UNI88 wrote:About 1/2 way through this one ...
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Uh-oh. Someone better tell George Zimmerman someone already used the title he was going to use for his autobiography.UNI88 wrote:About 1/2 way through this one ...
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One more for today.
Russia Against Napoleon: The True Story of the Campaigns of War and Peace [Dominic Lieven, 2009]. This is one of my favorite history books...ever. Extensive primary source base; archival research in British, French, German, and Russian archives. Chocked full of detail but doesn't lose narrative. Purpose of book: deconstructing and overturning British, French, and Tolstoian myths about the Russian army and state from 1812-1814. Central thesis is that Russia won not because of French bad luck, but because of superior cavalry, logistics, and intelligence. Takes broad focus, contrasting tremendous improvements in Russian supply from 1812-1814 with abysmal performances against Ottomans in 18th century and even against French in 1805. Also devotes considerable focus on allied campaigns in Germany in 1813 and subsequent invasion of France in support of overall argument.
Russia Against Napoleon: The True Story of the Campaigns of War and Peace [Dominic Lieven, 2009]. This is one of my favorite history books...ever. Extensive primary source base; archival research in British, French, German, and Russian archives. Chocked full of detail but doesn't lose narrative. Purpose of book: deconstructing and overturning British, French, and Tolstoian myths about the Russian army and state from 1812-1814. Central thesis is that Russia won not because of French bad luck, but because of superior cavalry, logistics, and intelligence. Takes broad focus, contrasting tremendous improvements in Russian supply from 1812-1814 with abysmal performances against Ottomans in 18th century and even against French in 1805. Also devotes considerable focus on allied campaigns in Germany in 1813 and subsequent invasion of France in support of overall argument.
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Agreed... Because Darwin didn't discover anythingPwns wrote: He should be as famous as Darwin is and Darwin should as obscure as he is. More obscure in fact.
He simply pointed out what was blatantly obvious and had been observed for thousands of years prior
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Re: CS Politics and History Book Club: August 2013
Cap'n Cat wrote:Cap'n Cat is an excellent speller because he went to a Catholic grade school. You musta been home-schooled.andy7171 wrote:I can't spell for shit.
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