McNeese State at Northern Iowa

[htownbearkat]

I don't know why you interpreted the post to which you responded as not giving credit the BearKats. I did not see Sam Houston State play Eastern Washington today but if I compare what Sam Houston State had last year in terms of wide receivers to what West Alabama has this year, yes, I would say West Alabama has a better overall set of skill players. I think their quarterback is better than Bell and I think their wide receivers are better. And they've got running backs comparable to Flanders. One of them is that guy on the Senior Bowl watch list. The other is a sophomore who is very quick in tight spaces...has that "Barry Sanders" looking ability...and is reportedly 10.3 in the 100 meters.

Just going on those two, Flanders averaged 8.5 yards per carry against McNeese in 2011 and 5.5 in 2012. Sincere averaged 3.5 and 11.0. In their one game against McNeese this year, West Alabama's 10.3 sophomore averaged 8.3 and the guy on the Senior Bowl Watch list averaged 8.9. So it's not unreasonable at all for a McNeese fan having watched all of those players play the Cowboys to see them as comparable.

I don't know if you've seen West Alabama play but if you did and you were objective I think you would recognize that saying West Alabama has a better overall set of skill players than Sam Houston State does is not unreasonable. You might still disagree because you're a Sam Houston State fan but you wouldn't think it's unreasonable.

Take it to the grave John.
So, If Tim Flanders wins the Payton award this year there should be an * by his name because there is a DII back at west bama that would of won because hes better? How do you explain 60% of his yards are in 2 games Vs SECs Tamu and #2 EWU? Flanders would be well over 6000 yards if he played the 4th Q in more than 50% of his games.
The #1 OFF in FCS < Directional bama off do you know how silly you sound?

[JohnStOnge]

Take it to the grave John.
So, If Tim Flanders wins the Payton award this year there should be an * by his name because there is a DII back at west bama that would of won because hes better? How do you explain 60% of his yards are in 2 games Vs SECs Tamu and #2 EWU? Flanders would be well over 6000 yards if he played the 4th Q in more than 50% of his games.
The #1 OFF in FCS < Directional bama off do you know how silly you sound?

First of all, again, I did not say any particular player on West Alabama's team is better than Flanders. I said that they have backs who are comparable. And I said that I think West Alabama has a better overall set of skill players than Sam Houston State does.

You just have no idea because you haven't seen the skill players they have play.

FWIW West Alabama put up more yards against McNeese than Sam Houston State did in three tries so far since Flanders & Company has been there. And they did it in a situation where McNeese's offense put up over 500 yards and was able to keep them off the field. Absolutely no question, none, that West Alabama's offense looked better against McNeese in that game that Sam Houston State's has so far since the current nucleus including Flanders and Sincere has been there. And I'm talking about from the opening offensive play when a 6'3", 212 pound receiver caught the ball and pulled away from the guy chasing him to score the first touchdown. You just have no idea as to the skill players those guys have. You really don't.

[htownbearkat]

Take it to the grave John.
So, If Tim Flanders wins the Payton award this year there should be an * by his name because there is a DII back at west bama that would of won because hes better? How do you explain 60% of his yards are in 2 games Vs SECs Tamu and #2 EWU? Flanders would be well over 6000 yards if he played the 4th Q in more than 50% of his games.
The #1 OFF in FCS < Directional bama off do you know how silly you sound?

First of all, again, I did not say any particular player on West Alabama's team is better than Flanders. I said that they have backs who are comparable. And I said that I think West Alabama has a better overall set of skill players than Sam Houston State does.

You just have no idea because you haven't seen the skill players they have play.

FWIW West Alabama put up more yards against McNeese than Sam Houston State did in three tries so far since Flanders & Company has been there. And they did it in a situation where McNeese's offense put up over 500 yards and was able to keep them off the field. Absolutely no question, none, that West Alabama's offense looked better against McNeese in that game that Sam Houston State's has so far since the current nucleus including Flanders and Sincere has been there. And I'm talking about from the opening offensive play when a 6'3", 212 pound receiver caught the ball and pulled away from the guy chasing him to score the first touchdown. You just have no idea as to the skill players those guys have. You really don't.

Really John? Our starters havnt played a full game vs the pokes since 2010 unlike the poke vs dii directional bama it hasnt been close vs the Kats. wow dude, you really need to let this go.

[JohnStOnge]

Really John? Our starters havnt played a full game vs the pokes since 2010 unlike the poke vs dii directional bama it hasnt been close vs the Kats. wow dude, you really need to let this go.

Actually I anticipated you saying something like that and looked it up focusing on Flanders and Flanders was still in in the fourth quarter of the past three Sam Houston State games against McNeese State.

Now, it's probably true that the starters didn't play a full game. On the other hand, it's true that West Alabama put up its numbers even though McNeese's offense was doing well and ran 80 plays. In other words, McNeese's offense was able to keep West Alabama's offense off the field and was not able to keep Sam Houston State's offense off the field.

You say I don't want to give credit to Sam Houston State. I would say that you don't want to give credit to West Alabama. I have seen West Alabama play McNeese. You, apparently, have not.

One thing is beyond question. West Alabama's offense looked better against McNeese than Sam Houston State's has over the previous three years. In 2011 and 2012 Sam Houston State scored a lot of points against McNeese but it was not a "from the start" thing. McNeese actually started off okay in both games. But West Alabama was unstoppable from the first snap. The only reason they were stopped is because they turned to ball over three times driving deep in McNeese territory.

No question...none...that they looked better against McNeese on offense than Sam Houston State did in 2011 or 2012.

Now, maybe this year Sam Houston State will look better on offense than they did. We'll see.

[JohnStOnge]

Since i went ahead and looked at some numbers to check the argument about Sam Houston State pulling starters I'll post the results. What I did was just look at the first half of three games:

West Alabama at McNeese 2013
McNeese at Sam Houston 2012
Sam Houston at McNeese 2011

None of the games were "over" at halftime. Below, for each game, are the halftime score, the number of yards against McNeese in the first half, and the average yards per play in the first half.

WEST ALABAMA 2013
Halftime score West Alabama 21, McNeese 24
West Alabama halftime yards: 287
West Alabama hafltime plays: 27
West Alabama yards per play at halftime: 10.6

SAM HOUSTON 2102
Halftime score Sam Houston 21, McNeese 10
Sam Houston halftime yards: 273
Sam Houston halftime plays: 41
Sam Houston yards per play at halftime: 6.7

Sam Houston 2011
Halftime score Sam Houston 14, McNeese 7
Sam Houston halftime yards: 161
Sam Houston hafltime plays: 27
Sam Houston yards per play at halftime: 6.0

Sam Houston looked very good on offense. Sam Houston obviously has a very good FCS offense. It's a very explosive offense. But West Alabama's offense looked both better and more explosive against McNeese than Sam Houston's looked against McNeese during the prior two years. Maybe it won't be that way this year. We'll know shortly.

[clenz]

So....West Alabama would be the national runner up in the FCS?


Dude, we get that WA has some athletes...they aren't nearly as fucking good as you're making them.


I would bet after watching UNI/McNeese UNI would light them the fuck up...as would the vast majority of the top 20

[JohnStOnge]

So....West Alabama would be the national runner up in the FCS?


Dude, we get that WA has some athletes...they aren't nearly as **** good as you're making them.


I would bet after watching UNI/McNeese UNI would light them the **** up...as would the vast majority of the top 20

I didn't say West Alabama would be the national runner up in FCS. Like if you compare them to the 2011 and 2012 Sam Houston State teams in terms of performance against McNeese they clearly aren't near as strong on defense. They did give up 44 points and over 500 yards to the Cowboys.

But on offense? Yes. They looked better on offense against McNeese than Sam Houston State did in 2011 or 2012 as well as than Northern Iowa did this season.

Don't get me wrong. I said at the start of this thread that I think UNI is the best TEAM McNeese will see this season. Read the post I started this thread with and you'll see that I'm not shocked by what happened. Not that I didn't think it likely McNeese would do somewhat better than what it did. But not shocked.

However, after watching UNI clock McNeese I'd say that though their offense is VERY good it didn't look AS good or nearly as fast as West Alabama's offense. Nowhere close to the same speed and athleticism at the skill positions. And, though it was close, West Alabama's quarterback was better. More athletic, faster, and just as good at throwing the ball.

f you'd have put West Alabama's offense and UNI's defense against McNeese it'd have been something like 40 - 0 at halftime. That's a guess but it's not unrealistic. Remember, West Alabama averaged over 10 yards per play against McNeese in the first half. What would've happened if McNeese had been going three and out like it did against UNI? It would've been VERY ugly and a lot worse than 17-0. The only thing that stopped them was McNeese's offense being able to move the ball well to keep them off the field, penalties, and turnovers.

[clenz]

Dear God...you're a fucking retard. Have you been tested?

Sent from a, likely, NSA tracked device

[htownbearkat]

So....West Alabama would be the national runner up in the FCS?


Dude, we get that WA has some athletes...they aren't nearly as **** good as you're making them.


I would bet after watching UNI/McNeese UNI would light them the **** up...as would the vast majority of the top 20

I didn't say West Alabama would be the national runner up in FCS. Like if you compare them to the 2011 and 2012 Sam Houston State teams in terms of performance against McNeese they clearly aren't near as strong on defense. They did give up 44 points and over 500 yards to the Cowboys.

But on offense? Yes. They looked better on offense against McNeese than Sam Houston State did in 2011 or 2012 as well as than Northern Iowa did this season.

Don't get me wrong. I said at the start of this thread that I think UNI is the best TEAM McNeese will see this season. Read the post I started this thread with and you'll see that I'm not shocked by what happened. Not that I didn't think it likely McNeese would do somewhat better than what it did. But not shocked.

However, after watching UNI clock McNeese I'd say that though their offense is VERY good it didn't look AS good or nearly as fast as West Alabama's offense. Nowhere close to the same speed and athleticism at the skill positions. And, though it was close, West Alabama's quarterback was better. More athletic, faster, and just as good at throwing the ball.

f you'd have put West Alabama's offense and UNI's defense against McNeese it'd have been something like 40 - 0 at halftime. That's a guess but it's not unrealistic. Remember, West Alabama averaged over 10 yards per play against McNeese in the first half. What would've happened if McNeese had been going three and out like it did against UNI? It would've been VERY ugly and a lot worse than 17-0. The only thing that stopped them was McNeese's offense being able to move the ball well to keep them off the field, penalties, and turnovers.

apples and oranges and very myopic of you. i know you've seen more of SHSUs off then just vs your team. The combined w/l of Mcneese D1 wins is 1-12. Maybe just maybe Mcneese's defense is worse this year.I hope not, but i have my doubts. I hope the pokes can keep it within a few scores this year so we can see how much worse the Kats off is than West Bama.

[JohnStOnge]

Maybe just maybe Mcneese's defense is worse this year.

Yes that is possible. That's why I said we'll soon see. A little over two weeks.

It's hard to say right now because, outside of West Alabama, McNeese's defense has done well against two weakFCS opponents and one weak FBS team then done poorly against what I think is a VERY good FCS team. With all due respect, I would not favor Sam Houston State to beat Iowa State and UNI did that. They sacked Iowa State quarterbacks six times. They're very good. And, yes, I think they're probably better than Sam Houston State.

At the same time McNeese didn't just get beat by UNI. They got absolutely skull drug. So I know there's basis for believing McNeese is going to have serious problems from here on out. Not only with Sam Houston State but with Central Arkansas, Southeastern Louisiana, and maybe even Northwestern State. Then there'S SFA, which apparently can score on just about anybody but can't stop anybody. We'll see. What will be will be.

[htownbearkat]

Maybe just maybe Mcneese's defense is worse this year.

Yes that is possible. That's why I said we'll soon see. A little over two weeks.

It's hard to say right now because, outside of West Alabama, McNeese's defense has done well against two weakFCS opponents and one weak FBS team then done poorly against what I think is a VERY good FCS team. With all due respect, I would not favor Sam Houston State to beat Iowa State and UNI did that. They sacked Iowa State quarterbacks six times. They're very good. And, yes, I think they're probably better than Sam Houston State.

At the same time McNeese didn't just get beat by UNI. They got absolutely skull drug. So I know there's basis for believing McNeese is going to have serious problems from here on out. Not only with Sam Houston State but with Central Arkansas, Southeastern Louisiana, and maybe even Northwestern State. Then there'S SFA, which apparently can score on just about anybody but can't stop anybody. We'll see. What will be will be.

John, your opinion about SHSU football is already a given; you are on the record (wrongly for 3 years now)

[JohnStOnge]

John, your opinion about SHSU football is already a given; you are on the record (wrongly for 3 years now)

Actually, over the past two years in the playoffs I was wrong about who would win games in which Sam Houston was involved three times and correct 5 times.

In 2011 I expected them to beat Stony Brook (correct) then lose to Montana State (incorrect). Then I expected them to lose to Montana (incorrect). Then I expected them to lose to North Dakota State (correct).

Last year I expected them to beat Cal Poly (correct), beat Montana State (correct), and lose at Eastern Washington (incorrect). Then I expected them to lose to North Dakota State (correct).

Now, there's no doubt that I underestimated them at the start of the 2011 playoffs. That's because the Southland had done so poorly in the playoffs in recent previous years and Sam Houston State did not look impressive during the regular season against the worst team in the MVC.

[JohnStOnge]

Ok if you guys can get it and want to you can see West Alabama against Delta State tomorrow night on TV. I'm going to get it on Cox Sports Television in my area. Won't watch it live because I'll be fishing. But Delta State is possibly a playoff caliber D-II team. They're 3-1 and did beat a FCS team; albeit a very weak one (Mississippi Valley State). Main thing is if you can get it and have a chance to tune in you can look at some of the skill people they have and form an opinion based on having seem them play.

Maybe they'll fall flat on their faces. One never knows.

Maybe their next game vs. Valdosta State will also be on TV. In that one there's a chance they'll be playing a team that could play with just about anybody in FCS. Valdosta State had a history. It's the D-II program that beat I-AA semifinalist Florida Atlantic 45-17 in 2003. By a quick scan trying to identify years when Valdosta State made the D-II playoffs and played I-AA teams I only found one other case. They beat then-I-AA Central Florida 31-14 in 1994. Kind of interesting because it's possible they kept Central Florida out of the playoffs in 1994 after Central Florida kept THEM out of the playoffs in 1993. In 1993 Central Florida beat Valdosta State 35-30 and went on to the I-AA playoffs while Valdosta State finished 8-3 and stayed home. Then in 1994 Central Florida finished 7-4, with the loss to Valdosta State being one of the losses, and did not make the I-AA tournament.

Anyway the point is that Valdosta State is an example of a D-II program that has, at times, had teams good enough to compete with top teams in I-AA/FCS. They're ranked #1 in D-II right now so how West Alabama does against them might say something about where West Alabama is.