Obamacare is Here....let's review

[Baldy]

Thanks to Medicare...Medicaid...and government.

Wrong - Medicare has kept the costs DOWN.

It is rising due to greed, insurance companies, unneccesary procedures, and the uninsured with unpaid bills.

Before Medicare and Medicaid were enacted, Medical costs were between 5% and 6% of GDP. Now it's pushing 20%.

[Gil Dobie]

Wrong - Medicare has kept the costs DOWN.

It is rising due to greed, insurance companies, unneccesary procedures, and the uninsured with unpaid bills.

Before Medicare and Medicaid were enacted, Medical costs were between 5% and 6% of GDP. Now it's pushing 20%.

Medicare is giving providers money for following Obamacare procedures. Where is that money coming from?

[Bronco]

Wrong - Medicare has kept the costs DOWN.

It is rising due to greed, insurance companies, unneccesary procedures, and the uninsured with unpaid bills.

Before Medicare and Medicaid were enacted, Medical costs were between 5% and 6% of GDP. Now it's pushing 20%.

You forgot illegals

Must be just an honest mistake


Cap'n and dbackjon have you signed up for obamacare?

Anyone saying how great this is I'm sure will sign up

[Trapped in CA]

Let me preface that I did not vote for the president, nor was in support of the ACA. That said, I am not one of the tin-foil hat crowd that has spent the last 2-5 years evangelizing the end of America, black helicopters, etc.

Now that I have disclaimer on the table, I can comment on the first hand experience with the healthcare exchange looking to obtain health care for our family and 20 employees. We have successfully purchased healthcare for over 10 years for employees, but that is looking to go by the wayside at this point. At this point, I have spent +/-15 hours on internet, phone, chat, & in person simply trying to get pricing & info on plans. Not there yet.

Healthcare.gov, and the surrounding people & infrastructure makes Hilter's or Napolean's invasion of Russia look like two of the most successful government ideas in history by contrast. I pretty certain I would rather spend the rest of my life locked in a room with LakesBison and JBB discussing anything than go through this process again.

The best i can tell, off of incomplete information on the exchanges, is that I will for a silver plan (2 parents + 3 kids) in Kansas City, it will run +/- $1,000 per month with a $9,000-$13,000 family deductible. Plus co-insurance fees. So, $21,000-$25,000 per year before insurance kicks in anything meaningful.
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[AZGrizFan]

Let me preface that I did not vote for the president, nor was in support of the ACA. That said, I am not one of the tin-foil hat crowd that has spent the last 2-5 years evangelizing the end of America, black helicopters, etc.

Now that I have disclaimer on the table, I can comment on the first hand experience with the healthcare exchange looking to obtain health care for our family and 20 employees. We have successfully purchased healthcare for over 10 years for employees, but that is looking to go by the wayside at this point. At this point, I have spent +/-15 hours on internet, phone, chat, & in person simply trying to get pricing & info on plans. Not there yet.

Healthcare.gov, and the surrounding people & infrastructure makes Hilter's or Napolean's invasion of Russia look like two of the most successful government ideas in history by contrast. I pretty certain I would rather spend the rest of my life locked in a room with LakesBison and JBB discussing anything than go through this process again.

The best i can tell, off of incomplete information on the exchanges, is that I will for a silver plan (2 parents + 3 kids) in Kansas City, it will run +/- $1,000 per month with a $9,000-$13,000 family deductible. Plus co-insurance fees. So, $21,000-$25,000 per year before insurance kicks in anything meaningful.
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Which is pretty funny, because you could have purchased a cadillac plan for the same family for about $2500/month prior to Obamacare. So, we spent $800 billion to move the needle exactly ZERO.

[Cap'n Cat]

Conk greed: doctors, pharms, middlemen, bankers.

[Bronco]

Conk greed: doctors, pharms, middlemen, bankers.

Cap'n

You are going on Obama care...Right

[Gil Dobie]

Let me preface that I did not vote for the president, nor was in support of the ACA. That said, I am not one of the tin-foil hat crowd that has spent the last 2-5 years evangelizing the end of America, black helicopters, etc.

Now that I have disclaimer on the table, I can comment on the first hand experience with the healthcare exchange looking to obtain health care for our family and 20 employees. We have successfully purchased healthcare for over 10 years for employees, but that is looking to go by the wayside at this point. At this point, I have spent +/-15 hours on internet, phone, chat, & in person simply trying to get pricing & info on plans. Not there yet.

Healthcare.gov, and the surrounding people & infrastructure makes Hilter's or Napolean's invasion of Russia look like two of the most successful government ideas in history by contrast. I pretty certain I would rather spend the rest of my life locked in a room with LakesBison and JBB discussing anything than go through this process again.

The best i can tell, off of incomplete information on the exchanges, is that I will for a silver plan (2 parents + 3 kids) in Kansas City, it will run +/- $1,000 per month with a $9,000-$13,000 family deductible. Plus co-insurance fees. So, $21,000-$25,000 per year before insurance kicks in anything meaningful.
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Less and less will be able to afford traditional healthcare, and will need to signup for Obamacare.

[HI54UNI]

Let me preface that I did not vote for the president, nor was in support of the ACA. That said, I am not one of the tin-foil hat crowd that has spent the last 2-5 years evangelizing the end of America, black helicopters, etc.

Now that I have disclaimer on the table, I can comment on the first hand experience with the healthcare exchange looking to obtain health care for our family and 20 employees. We have successfully purchased healthcare for over 10 years for employees, but that is looking to go by the wayside at this point. At this point, I have spent +/-15 hours on internet, phone, chat, & in person simply trying to get pricing & info on plans. Not there yet.

Healthcare.gov, and the surrounding people & infrastructure makes Hilter's or Napolean's invasion of Russia look like two of the most successful government ideas in history by contrast. I pretty certain I would rather spend the rest of my life locked in a room with LakesBison and JBB discussing anything than go through this process again.

The best i can tell, off of incomplete information on the exchanges, is that I will for a silver plan (2 parents + 3 kids) in Kansas City, it will run +/- $1,000 per month with a $9,000-$13,000 family deductible. Plus co-insurance fees. So, $21,000-$25,000 per year before insurance kicks in anything meaningful.
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Whoa. It can't really be that bad, can it?

[Trapped in CA]

Whoa. It can't really be that bad, can it?

Serious as a heart attack

[Bronco]

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Obama has an opportunity right now to postpone his only signature program of his 6 years and blame it on the Republicans...he would do this... if he is smart
He's not smart so he won't...and I don't want him to postpone it.


It's not ready, the web site isn't ready and nobody is signing up.
The BHO supporters on this site are saying it's good for you but not them

I hope this law suite doesn't derail it.

Could Lawsuit In Oklahoma Knock Out Obamacare?

Via The Hill:

Scott Pruitt, the attorney general of Oklahoma, acting on the research of Jonathan H. Adler and Michael F. Cannon published in the Case Western Reserve Journal of International Law, has brought a new lawsuit, on behalf of the state, against ObamaCare.

Unlike the suit brought by 26 state attorneys general, this lawsuit does not make a constitutional objection to the Affordable Care Act. Instead, it uses the language of the law to challenge the elaborate system of subsidies, tax credits and individual or employer mandates and fines the act has spawned.

[kalm]

Let me preface that I did not vote for the president, nor was in support of the ACA. That said, I am not one of the tin-foil hat crowd that has spent the last 2-5 years evangelizing the end of America, black helicopters, etc.

Now that I have disclaimer on the table, I can comment on the first hand experience with the healthcare exchange looking to obtain health care for our family and 20 employees. We have successfully purchased healthcare for over 10 years for employees, but that is looking to go by the wayside at this point. At this point, I have spent +/-15 hours on internet, phone, chat, & in person simply trying to get pricing & info on plans. Not there yet.

Healthcare.gov, and the surrounding people & infrastructure makes Hilter's or Napolean's invasion of Russia look like two of the most successful government ideas in history by contrast. I pretty certain I would rather spend the rest of my life locked in a room with LakesBison and JBB discussing anything than go through this process again.

The best i can tell, off of incomplete information on the exchanges, is that I will for a silver plan (2 parents + 3 kids) in Kansas City, it will run +/- $1,000 per month with a $9,000-$13,000 family deductible. Plus co-insurance fees. So, $21,000-$25,000 per year before insurance kicks in anything meaningful.
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Just heard about a local company today which employs a hundred or so low wage people who are not covered and will choose to pay a $180,000 fine under the ACA, saving them $100,000's rather than being forced to provide healthcare. That's a big hit for a small company and could likely force more than few of them to close.

[SDHornet]

Let me preface that I did not vote for the president, nor was in support of the ACA. That said, I am not one of the tin-foil hat crowd that has spent the last 2-5 years evangelizing the end of America, black helicopters, etc.

Now that I have disclaimer on the table, I can comment on the first hand experience with the healthcare exchange looking to obtain health care for our family and 20 employees. We have successfully purchased healthcare for over 10 years for employees, but that is looking to go by the wayside at this point. At this point, I have spent +/-15 hours on internet, phone, chat, & in person simply trying to get pricing & info on plans. Not there yet.

Healthcare.gov, and the surrounding people & infrastructure makes Hilter's or Napolean's invasion of Russia look like two of the most successful government ideas in history by contrast. I pretty certain I would rather spend the rest of my life locked in a room with LakesBison and JBB discussing anything than go through this process again.

The best i can tell, off of incomplete information on the exchanges, is that I will for a silver plan (2 parents + 3 kids) in Kansas City, it will run +/- $1,000 per month with a $9,000-$13,000 family deductible. Plus co-insurance fees. So, $21,000-$25,000 per year before insurance kicks in anything meaningful.
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Just heard about a local company today which employs a hundred or so low wage people who are not covered and will choose to pay a $180,000 fine under the ACA, saving them $100,000's rather than being forced to provide healthcare. That's a big hit for a small company and could likely force more than few of them to close.

Not true. Obamacare will not be a drag on the economy and will not impact the working. In fact Obamacare will eliminate "job lock" and all these people can now be entrepreneurs.

[Baldy]

Yeah. Only the Tea Party members.

For the most part, yes. Look at the last election - Democratic House candidates won millions more votes overall than Republicans, but the GOP won the house - why? Republican gerrymandering. There is some by Democrats, to be sure, but the GOP has taken it to new levels in states like PA, OH, NC, TX etc

How many millions 3? 4? 5? 10?
No, a little over 1 million votes, jon. That's all. Why do you continue to lie?

You know as good as I that it isn't because of gerrymandering. Just like roaches and rats, Donks live in large packs in large urban shitholes where there are there overwhelming Donk majorities.

[BDKJMU]

My BCBS Basic Family Plan employee share premium for me and my sons is going up 4.43% to $3,711.60 for 2014. I'm not happy about increases that outpace inflation, particularly when my pay has been frozen for three years and I am now a furlough pawn at the mercy of a dysfunctional Congress, but I guess it could be worse.

4.43%? I have had many years in the past where that went up great than that.

News flash - health care costs have been out pacing (and driving inflation) for decades now.

Look who his employer is. If he worked for a much smaller employer or was on the individual market he would be getting hammered.

[BlueHen86]

We have survived government shut downs, we have survive sequestration, we will survive Obamacare.

[BlueHen86]

4.43%? I have had many years in the past where that went up great than that.

News flash - health care costs have been out pacing (and driving inflation) for decades now.

Look who his employer is. If he worked for a much smaller employer or was on the individual market he would be getting hammered.

Link?

[BlueHen86]

For the most part, yes. Look at the last election - Democratic House candidates won millions more votes overall than Republicans, but the GOP won the house - why? Republican gerrymandering. There is some by Democrats, to be sure, but the GOP has taken it to new levels in states like PA, OH, NC, TX etc

How many millions 3? 4? 5? 10?
No, a little over 1 million votes, jon. That's all. Why do you continue to lie?

You know as good as I that it isn't because of gerrymandering. Just like roaches and rats, Donks live in large packs in large urban shitholes where there are there overwhelming Donk majorities.

Bullshit. It is exactly because of gerrymandering. If gerrymandering didn't work, they wouldn't bother doing it.

[Aho Old Guy]

For the most part, yes. Look at the last election - Democratic House candidates won millions more votes overall than Republicans, but the GOP won the house - why? Republican gerrymandering. There is some by Democrats, to be sure, but the GOP has taken it to new levels in states like PA, OH, NC, TX etc

How many millions 3? 4? 5? 10?
No, a little over 1 million votes, jon. That's all. Why do you continue to lie?

You know as good as I that it isn't because of gerrymandering. Just like roaches and rats, Donks live in large packs in large urban shitholes where there are there overwhelming Donk majorities.

And you clearly do not understand that the primary design criteria for Congressional districts is population.

North Carolina 2012 Congressional Vote
2,220,272 votes for Democrats
2,144,103 votes for Republicans

North Carolina Delegation to the US Congress
4 Democrats
9 Republicans

[DSUrocks07]

How many millions 3? 4? 5? 10?
No, a little over 1 million votes, jon. That's all. Why do you continue to lie?

You know as good as I that it isn't because of gerrymandering. Just like roaches and rats, Donks live in large packs in large urban shitholes where there are there overwhelming Donk majorities.

And you clearly do not understand that the primary design criteria for Congressional districts is population.

North Carolina 2012 Congressional Vote
2,220,272 votes for Democrats
2,144,103 votes for Republicans

North Carolina Delegation to the US Congress
4 Democrats
9 Republicans

Even without gerrymandering I doubt that the distribution will be much different. 13 equal portions of NC based strictly on land area will not change the fact that most Dems live in urban areas and GOP from rural and suburbs.

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[DSUrocks07]

Plus everyone conveniently ignores that it aids Democrats just as much as GOP.

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[DSUrocks07]

Hmmm...

Obamacare's Website Is Crashing Because It Doesn't Want You To Know How Costly Its Plans Are

A growing consensus of IT experts, outside and inside the government, have figured out a principal reason why the website for Obamacare’s federally-sponsored insurance exchange is crashing. Healthcare.gov forces you to create an account and enter detailed personal information before you can start shopping. This, in turn, creates a massive traffic bottleneck, as the government verifies your information and decides whether or not you’re eligible for subsidies. HHS bureaucrats knew this would make the website run more slowly. But they were more afraid that letting people see the underlying cost of Obamacare’s insurance plans would scare people away.

“Healthcare.gov was initially going to include an option to browse before registering,” report Christopher Weaver and Louise Radnofsky in the Wall Street Journal. “But that tool was delayed, people familiar with the situation said.” Why was it delayed? “An HHS spokeswoman said the agency wanted to ensure that users were aware of their eligibility for subsidies that could help pay for coverage, before they started seeing the prices of policies.” (Emphasis added.)

As you know if you’ve been following this space, Obamacare’s bevy of mandates, regulations, taxes, and fees drives up the cost of the insurance plans that are offered under the law’s public exchanges. A Manhattan Institute analysis I helped conduct found that, on average, the cheapest plan offered in a given state, under Obamacare, will be 99 percent more expensive for men, and 62 percent more expensive for women, than the cheapest plan offered under the old system. And those disparities are even wider for healthy people.

That raises an obvious question. If 50 million people are uninsured today, mainly because insurance is too expensive, why is it better to make coverage even costlier?

[Skjellyfetti]

Even without gerrymandering I doubt that the distribution will be much different. 13 equal portions of NC based strictly on land area will not change the fact that most Dems live in urban areas and GOP from rural and suburbs.

Uh. No.

Where do you get the idea that anyone is arguing for congressional districts "based strictly on land area" ?

[DSUrocks07]

Even without gerrymandering I doubt that the distribution will be much different. 13 equal portions of NC based strictly on land area will not change the fact that most Dems live in urban areas and GOP from rural and suburbs.

Uh. No.

Where do you get the idea that anyone is arguing for congressional districts "based strictly on land area" ?

man that was worded poorly on my part.

A democracy we are not, equal representation is the key. Gerrymandering protects BOTH Dem and GOP seats.

[Pwns]

You would have to do some pretty creative geometry to create districts that would be balanced when republicans are much more spread out across the state. You might would have to create non-contiguous districts, which I don't know if they are even allowed.

It's not the republican's fault that more counties are predominately republican. If you don't like it, come up with some new system to elect House members.