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Pwns wrote:
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Not sure what that means...but I did hear on the radio coming home this morning that if he is charged with felony sexual assault, or whatever it is called, per Florida law he will be suspended from the team until the issue is resolved.
Basically, the justice department is trying to bully universities into letting judiciary committees try sexual assault cases and expel accused students based on standards of proof that would never fly in the court of law.
Yep. Jordan Johnson knows this all too well. :ohno:
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MSUDuo wrote:
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The girl reported it the day after. Tallahassee Police advised her that it would be bad for HER to press charges against a Seminole.


She moved away.


Someone found the story, and brought it to light recently.



Winston's DNA matches the DNA found on her clothes
Glad to know you had half the story.

Thank god this is over

Based on the PC, this was all for Meggs and his last bit in the spotlight. Ridiculous

What in my post was not factual?
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dbackjon wrote:
MSUDuo wrote:
Glad to know you had half the story.

Thank god this is over

Based on the PC, this was all for Meggs and his last bit in the spotlight. Ridiculous

What in my post was not factual?
Read the affidavits on pgs 63 and 64 of this and tell us they had any grounds to charge him with anything.

http://ncaa.blog.chatsports.com/files/2 ... e-File.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Rape is a heinous crime, but so is potentially ruining someone's life by falsely accusing them of it.
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Grizalltheway wrote:
Yep. Jordan Johnson knows this all too well. :ohno:
And, Lanston Tanyi in App State's recent case.

Tanyi never got the chance to have his day in court because there wasn't enough evidence to even bring it to trial.

It was only after Facebook fueled protests that the student conduct panel reversed their decision in his case and kicked him out of school.

Never any protests for the DA to bring charges. :roll:
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dbackjon wrote:
MSUDuo wrote:
Glad to know you had half the story.

Thank god this is over

Based on the PC, this was all for Meggs and his last bit in the spotlight. Ridiculous

What in my post was not factual?
The TPD advised her to think about try wanting to press charges. They knew that if she wanted to go through worth it that EVERYTHING would be brought public. And now it is.

She didn't move away until November. If I was raped I wouldn't be hanging around the same campus where my "rapist" was playing football and I wouldn't be going to baseball and football games
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Grizalltheway wrote:Rape is a heinous crime, but so is potentially ruining someone's life by falsely accusing them of it.
Slander is not worse than rape. Never. :twocents:
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rkwittem wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote:Rape is a heinous crime, but so is potentially ruining someone's life by falsely accusing them of it.
Slander is not worse than rape. Never. :twocents:
I didn't say it was. :coffee:
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Grizalltheway wrote:
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Slander is not worse than rape. Never. :twocents:
I didn't say it was. :coffee:
Equating them isn't right either. That's how I read your post anyway.
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rkwittem wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote:
I didn't say it was. :coffee:
Equating them isn't right either. That's how I read your post anyway.
Depends on the circumstances. If a girls knows she truly wasn't raped, but still accuses a guy of it to exact some sort of revenge for being dumped, or whatever, then that's pretty fucked up and there should be some sort of reprecussions. :twocents:
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Grizalltheway wrote:
dbackjon wrote:

What in my post was not factual?
Read the affidavits on pgs 63 and 64 of this and tell us they had any grounds to charge him with anything.

http://ncaa.blog.chatsports.com/files/2 ... e-File.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Rape is a heinous crime, but so is potentially ruining someone's life by falsely accusing them of it.

Again, what in my post was not factual?

They had sex. Whether it was consensual or not could not be proven one way or the other.
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Pwns wrote:
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Not sure what that means...but I did hear on the radio coming home this morning that if he is charged with felony sexual assault, or whatever it is called, per Florida law he will be suspended from the team until the issue is resolved.
Basically, the justice department is trying to bully universities into letting judiciary committees try sexual assault cases and expel accused students based on standards of proof that would never fly in the court of law.
Yeah. It really is bullshit.

Read this case from Auburn.
Joshua Strange will never forget the girl he met in May 2011.

Both were underclassmen at Alabama's Auburn University when a common acquaintance introduced them. "We instantly became attached at the hip and did everything together," she recalled six months later. "I rather quickly moved into his place. . . . Everything was great until pretty much June 29."

That night, an intimate encounter in Mr. Strange's bed went wrong. She called police, who detained him for questioning. She said she had awakened to find him forcing himself on her; he said the sexual activity was consensual and initiated by her. There was no dispute as to the physical acts involved.

The accuser did not press charges that night. In fact, before sunrise she returned to his apartment, and the couple agreed to continue dating. When I asked him why in a recent phone interview, he told me: "I cared about her."

But the relationship soon disintegrated. Phone records show their communications ended in mid-August. In early September he was arrested again after she told police that two days earlier he had confronted her in a public place and struck her. He flatly denied it, saying he was 15 miles away at the time. This time she did press charges, for misdemeanor simple assault as well as for felony forcible sodomy in the June 29 incident.

Mr. Strange was cleared on both counts. On Feb. 3, 2012, a grand jury handed up a "no bill" indictment on the sodomy charge, meaning the evidence was insufficient to establish probable cause for prosecution. On May 24, when the simple-assault case went to trial, the accuser didn't show up. "I don't have a witness to go forward with, your honor," said city attorney Michael Short. Case dismissed.

So Mr. Strange got his day in court and was treated fairly. But he had already been punished for the unproven crimes. Auburn expelled him after a campus tribunal found him "responsible" for committing the catchall offense of "sexual assault and/or sexual harassment." A letter from Melvin Owens, head of the campus police, explained that expulsion is a life sentence. If Mr. Strange ever sets foot on Auburn property, he will be "arrested for Criminal Trespass Third," Mr. Owens warned.

Joshua Strange, now 23, is a civilian casualty in the Obama administration's war on men. In an April 2011 directive, Russlyn Ali, then assistant education secretary for civil rights, threatened to withhold federal money from any educational institution that failed to take a hard enough line against sexual misconduct to ensure "that all students feel safe in their school." The result was to leave accused students more vulnerable to false charges and unfair procedures. The prospect of losing federal funds has left university administrators "crippled by panic," Robert Shibley of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education told me. "The incentives are pointing toward findings of guilt, not accurate findings."
Ms. Ali's directive had an effect even before Mr. Strange's hearing began. At the time, Auburn's bylaws stipulated that accusers in campus disciplinary cases had to show "clear and convincing evidence" to establish guilt. Less than three weeks before the Nov. 8, 2011, hearing, Brandon Frye, then director of the Office of Student Conduct, informed Mr. Strange that the rules had changed. As per Ms. Ali, the standard was reduced to "preponderance of the evidence."

Mr. Strange still should not have been convicted. The grand jury found there wasn't even probable cause, a looser standard than preponderance of the evidence. But the university hearing that yielded his expulsion was a travesty of a legal process.

The most striking quality of the 99-minute proceeding is its abject lack of professionalism. Imagine a courtroom with a jury and witnesses, but no judge or lawyers. Mr. Strange and his accuser had lawyers present—the only people in the room with legal training—but they were forbidden to speak except to identify themselves at the outset.
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Court of public opinion:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK4XhR0lYlE[/youtube]
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DSUrocks07 wrote:Court of public opinion:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK4XhR0lYlE[/youtube]
its never consensual once everybody finds out you had sex with a black dude :twocents:
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EPJr wrote:
DSUrocks07 wrote:Court of public opinion:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK4XhR0lYlE[/youtube]
its never consensual once everybody finds out you had sex with a black dude :twocents:
This hits way too close to home.
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rkwittem wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote:Rape is a heinous crime, but so is potentially ruining someone's life by falsely accusing them of it.
Slander is not worse than rape. Never. :twocents:
It is when that slander included false rape charges. Those stick for LIFE.
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Skjellyfetti wrote:
Pwns wrote:
Basically, the justice department is trying to bully universities into letting judiciary committees try sexual assault cases and expel accused students based on standards of proof that would never fly in the court of law.
Yeah. It really is bullshit.

Read this case from Auburn.
Joshua Strange will never forget the girl he met in May 2011.

Both were underclassmen at Alabama's Auburn University when a common acquaintance introduced them. "We instantly became attached at the hip and did everything together," she recalled six months later. "I rather quickly moved into his place. . . . Everything was great until pretty much June 29."

That night, an intimate encounter in Mr. Strange's bed went wrong. She called police, who detained him for questioning. She said she had awakened to find him forcing himself on her; he said the sexual activity was consensual and initiated by her. There was no dispute as to the physical acts involved.

The accuser did not press charges that night. In fact, before sunrise she returned to his apartment, and the couple agreed to continue dating. When I asked him why in a recent phone interview, he told me: "I cared about her."

But the relationship soon disintegrated. Phone records show their communications ended in mid-August. In early September he was arrested again after she told police that two days earlier he had confronted her in a public place and struck her. He flatly denied it, saying he was 15 miles away at the time. This time she did press charges, for misdemeanor simple assault as well as for felony forcible sodomy in the June 29 incident.

Mr. Strange was cleared on both counts. On Feb. 3, 2012, a grand jury handed up a "no bill" indictment on the sodomy charge, meaning the evidence was insufficient to establish probable cause for prosecution. On May 24, when the simple-assault case went to trial, the accuser didn't show up. "I don't have a witness to go forward with, your honor," said city attorney Michael Short. Case dismissed.

So Mr. Strange got his day in court and was treated fairly. But he had already been punished for the unproven crimes. Auburn expelled him after a campus tribunal found him "responsible" for committing the catchall offense of "sexual assault and/or sexual harassment." A letter from Melvin Owens, head of the campus police, explained that expulsion is a life sentence. If Mr. Strange ever sets foot on Auburn property, he will be "arrested for Criminal Trespass Third," Mr. Owens warned.

Joshua Strange, now 23, is a civilian casualty in the Obama administration's war on men. In an April 2011 directive, Russlyn Ali, then assistant education secretary for civil rights, threatened to withhold federal money from any educational institution that failed to take a hard enough line against sexual misconduct to ensure "that all students feel safe in their school." The result was to leave accused students more vulnerable to false charges and unfair procedures. The prospect of losing federal funds has left university administrators "crippled by panic," Robert Shibley of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education told me. "The incentives are pointing toward findings of guilt, not accurate findings."
Ms. Ali's directive had an effect even before Mr. Strange's hearing began. At the time, Auburn's bylaws stipulated that accusers in campus disciplinary cases had to show "clear and convincing evidence" to establish guilt. Less than three weeks before the Nov. 8, 2011, hearing, Brandon Frye, then director of the Office of Student Conduct, informed Mr. Strange that the rules had changed. As per Ms. Ali, the standard was reduced to "preponderance of the evidence."

Mr. Strange still should not have been convicted. The grand jury found there wasn't even probable cause, a looser standard than preponderance of the evidence. But the university hearing that yielded his expulsion was a travesty of a legal process.

The most striking quality of the 99-minute proceeding is its abject lack of professionalism. Imagine a courtroom with a jury and witnesses, but no judge or lawyers. Mr. Strange and his accuser had lawyers present—the only people in the room with legal training—but they were forbidden to speak except to identify themselves at the outset.
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Huh SK?

This is just the kind of level the field fight injustice social engineering crap you would normally be totally on board with.

Change the crime from rape to gay bashing, roll it around in your head a little, and get back to us.
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CID1990 wrote: Change the crime from rape to gay bashing, roll it around in your head a little, and get back to us.
Well, first... there wasn't enough evidence of a crime in the story I linked to prosecute.

Second, I don't think "gay bashing" is (or should be) a crime at all (unless you mean physical bashing :lol: ).

Roll that around in your little head.

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