Christie 2016 momentum surging

[JohnStOnge]

There's a reason the Republican Party is in shambles right now. There are reasonable Republicans and then there are Teabag idiots who haven't been able to pull themselves up from the floor with all the childish tantrums they've been throwing for three years.

Do you know where things would be right now if it weren't for the Tea Party movement? Instead of holding one House of Congress and the Presidency the Democrats would hold both Houses of Congress and the Presidency. The Tea Party is the reason the Republicans gained control of the House with the 2010 elections.

It's the same old thing with the "establishment" Republicans. They look at various groups on the "right" as hurting their party. But the Republican Party was way more irrelevant before groups on the "right" started becoming involved.

If the "establishment" Republicans had had their way all through my lifetime Ronald Reagan would never have been nominated as the Republican candidate for President, the Republicans would not have gained control of Congress with the 1994 elections, and the Republicans would not control the House of Representatives right now. We'd be back to where we were before the "Moral Majority" became active continuing a decades long and approaching a century long period of total Democrat Party dominance.

The "establishment" Republicans got their way with each of the past two Republican Presidential nominees. How did that work out? 0 and 2, right?

So they got Romney last time and that's what they wanted. And what happened? Among other things about 4.4 million fewer White Christians turned out to vote than voted in 2008. Boy, that really helps you when 4.4 million fewer from a group that typically votes 2:1 in your favor go out to vote when by all rights you ought to see millions more of them voting because the enthusiasm for getting Obama out of office should be high.

You people who think the "far right" needs to be defeated within the Republican Party for the Republican Party to succeed either haven't lived long enough to remember what it was like in terms of the balance of power before the "far right" showed up on the Republican side or you've just chosen to forget.

The Republican Party loses the support of the "far right" and it's done. History shows it's more competitive with the "far right" on its side than without it. You need to come to grips with that and deal with reality instead of all this fantasizing about how the Republican Party could REALLY do well if only they could get rid of those Tea Party people." Or whatever other "far right" group is in the forefront at the time.

[BlueHen86]

There's a reason the Republican Party is in shambles right now. There are reasonable Republicans and then there are Teabag idiots who haven't been able to pull themselves up from the floor with all the childish tantrums they've been throwing for three years.

It's the same old thing with the "establishment" Republicans. They look at various groups on the "right" as hurting their party. But the Republican Party was way more irrelevant before groups on the "right" started becoming involved.

Do you know where things would be right now if it weren't for the Tea Party movement? Instead of holding one House of Congress and the Presidency the Democrats would hold both Houses of Congress and the Presidency. The Tea Party is the reason the Republicans gained control of the House with the 2010 elections.


If the "establishment" Republicans had had their way all through my lifetime Ronald Reagan would never have been nominated as the Republican candidate for President, the Republicans would not have gained control of Congress with the 1994 elections, and the Republicans would not control the House of Representatives right now. We'd be back to where we were before the "Moral Majority" became active continuing a decades long and approaching a century long period of total Democrat Party dominance.

The "establishment" Republicans got their way with each of the past two Republican Presidential nominees. How did that work out? 0 and 2, right?

So they got Romney last time and that's what they wanted. And what happened? Among other things about 4.4 million fewer White Christians turned out to vote than voted in 2008. Boy, that really helps you when 4.4 million fewer from a group that typically votes 2:1 in your favor go out to vote when by all rights you ought to see millions more of them voting because the enthusiasm for getting Obama out of office should be high.

You people who think the "far right" needs to be defeated within the Republican Party for the Republican Party to succeed either haven't lived long enough to remember what it was like in terms of the balance of power before the "far right" showed up on the Republican side or you've just chosen to forget.

The Republican Party loses the support of the "far right" and it's done. History shows it's more competitive with the "far right" on its side than without it. You need to come to grips with that and deal with reality instead of all this fantasizing about how the Republican Party could REALLY do well if only they could get rid of those Tea Party people." Or whatever other "far right" group is in the forefront at the time.

You are giving the Tea Party way too much credit. In 2010 the economy still sucked, the elections that year were more about Obama than the Tea Party.

[kalm]

There's a reason the Republican Party is in shambles right now. There are reasonable Republicans and then there are Teabag idiots who haven't been able to pull themselves up from the floor with all the childish tantrums they've been throwing for three years.

Do you know where things would be right now if it weren't for the Tea Party movement? Instead of holding one House of Congress and the Presidency the Democrats would hold both Houses of Congress and the Presidency. The Tea Party is the reason the Republicans gained control of the House with the 2010 elections.

It's the same old thing with the "establishment" Republicans. They look at various groups on the "right" as hurting their party. But the Republican Party was way more irrelevant before groups on the "right" started becoming involved.

If the "establishment" Republicans had had their way all through my lifetime Ronald Reagan would never have been nominated as the Republican candidate for President, the Republicans would not have gained control of Congress with the 1994 elections, and the Republicans would not control the House of Representatives right now. We'd be back to where we were before the "Moral Majority" became active continuing a decades long and approaching a century long period of total Democrat Party dominance.

The "establishment" Republicans got their way with each of the past two Republican Presidential nominees. How did that work out? 0 and 2, right?

So they got Romney last time and that's what they wanted. And what happened? Among other things about 4.4 million fewer White Christians turned out to vote than voted in 2008. Boy, that really helps you when 4.4 million fewer from a group that typically votes 2:1 in your favor go out to vote when by all rights you ought to see millions more of them voting because the enthusiasm for getting Obama out of office should be high.

You people who think the "far right" needs to be defeated within the Republican Party for the Republican Party to succeed either haven't lived long enough to remember what it was like in terms of the balance of power before the "far right" showed up on the Republican side or you've just chosen to forget.

The Republican Party loses the support of the "far right" and it's done. History shows it's more competitive with the "far right" on its side than without it. You need to come to grips with that and deal with reality instead of all this fantasizing about how the Republican Party could REALLY do well if only they could get rid of those Tea Party people." Or whatever other "far right" group is in the forefront at the time.

I hate to break it to you John but the country continues to move progressive from a social standpoint. Gays, war on drugs, and religious based laws are a losing battle.

On the economic front, the lazy, parasitic, 47%, meme might be true to a small degree but the reality is most people think they work hard and deserve the "average American" lifestyle they see on tv and in other forms of advertising. They also think they work hard enough to afford healthcare, college education for their kids, and to be able to retire with digniity.

Again, whether that's right or not, that's how they feel. They of course are struggling to afford all these "wants" without going into massive debt and Republican economic policy has done very little to increase their wages or upward mobility.

[93henfan]

Long post that states my point of view. I am right, you are wrong, and I am not willing to listen to you. Geaux McNeese.

[CID1990]

The Tea Party takes a lot of knocks for being stupid, Southern, whatever.

The ironic thing is they seem to be just about the only ones who recognize there is something wrong with a government that "serves" less than 400 million citizens and cannot do it on less than 3.5 trillion dollars a year.

I think we need to shine that same retard light on people who say we have a revenue problem.

[Chizzang]

The Tea Party takes a lot of knocks for being stupid, Southern, whatever.

The ironic thing is they seem to be just about the only ones who recognize there is something wrong with a government that "serves" less than 400 million citizens and cannot do it on less than 3.5 trillion dollars a year.

I think we need to shine that same retard light on people who say we have a revenue problem.

Yeah... I get it The Tea Party has one good idea
and frankly it's not as much an "idea" as it is common sense - but - I stall at having to take the whole package
However all that aside it's fascinating watching the Republican party do its best to handle them

And why are you southerners so damn self conscious?
Most west coast people I know love the south and southerners too

we don't want to live there - too many people from the North East and Chicago moving to the south
They'll ruin the whole thing pretty soon

[SDHornet]

The Tea Party takes a lot of knocks for being stupid, Southern, whatever.

The ironic thing is they seem to be just about the only ones who recognize there is something wrong with a government that "serves" less than 400 million citizens and cannot do it on less than 3.5 trillion dollars a year.

I think we need to shine that same retard light on people who say we have a revenue problem.

Yeah... I get it The Tea Party has one good idea
and frankly it's not as much an "idea" as it is common sense - but - I stall at having to take the whole package
However all that aside it's fascinating watching the Republican party do its best to handle them

Problem is they are the only folks who have made that a point lately. All the establishment has been is tax and spend and then borrow more and spend more. At the end of the day all the radical religious and moral stuff will never pass muster with the public. So after all their ranting and raving the only mud that will stick on the wall is the fiscal responsibility stuff. Contrary to what some media outlets want you to believe, America will not regress to the "good ole' days" of segregation, abortion bans, prohibition, and women's suffrage.

[CID1990]

The Tea Party takes a lot of knocks for being stupid, Southern, whatever.

The ironic thing is they seem to be just about the only ones who recognize there is something wrong with a government that "serves" less than 400 million citizens and cannot do it on less than 3.5 trillion dollars a year.

I think we need to shine that same retard light on people who say we have a revenue problem.

Yeah... I get it The Tea Party has one good idea

Yes, but when it is the most important idea, and you're the only one who has it..

[Chizzang]

SD Hornet & CID1990
Of course you know I agree that we do NOT have a revenue problem... we have a spending problem
In fact its about the only thing I post on this forum

But I won't give the Tea Party a pass on all the other baggage they attach to that one idea

I want a party where functioning under an actual budget is paramount
and all Religion is treated like a plague that kills Republics (because it is)
and Women are not subject to different medical standards than men
and drugs and alcohol are looked at with an entirely new perspective (all taxed and handled equally)

there are a few dozen more - but - who cares

[SDHornet]

I know and I agree, unfortunately that is asking too much in today’s political climate. While I don’t consider myself to be a “Tea Partier”, I’m ok with voting people in who will shakeup the status quo. It’s obvious that voting for the same idiots who got us in the situation we are in now aren't going to provide a solution to our current problems.

[mrklean]

The Tea Party takes a lot of knocks for being stupid, WHITE, Southern, whatever.

The ironic thing is they seem to be just about the only ones who recognize there is something wrong with a government that "serves" less than 400 million citizens and cannot do it on less than 3.5 trillion dollars a year.

I think we need to shine that same retard light on people who say we have a revenue problem.

Fixed it for you

[CAA Flagship]

Yeah... I get it The Tea Party has one good idea
and frankly it's not as much an "idea" as it is common sense - but - I stall at having to take the whole package

You will NEVER have a party/candidate that is step-for-step with your views. You have to "weight" your issues and decide what party/candidate is the best fit. I don't give a shit what anyone says but the top issue in my mind, and thus carries a significant amount of weight, is the one that affects the largest percentage of the voting public -- fiscal responsibility as it relates to national debt, balanced budget, and strong economy.

Everything else, and I mean EVERYTHING else, is a distant second, third, fourth, and so on. Sorry, but I'm not willing to lose my job because of a piss poor economy that is strongly affected by high government spending. It only takes less than 8 years of bad governing to send the economy in the toilet. It takes double that time to remediate the governing mistakes.

I'm no Tea Partier, but I will vote for the lesser evil. If that is a Tea Party candidate, so be it. But I'm not holding out hope that a party/candidate will exactly mirror my viewpoints. Besides, nobody is as warped as me anyway.

[CID1990]

SD Hornet & CID1990
Of course you know I agree that we do NOT have a revenue problem... we have a spending problem
In fact its about the only thing I post on this forum

But I won't give the Tea Party a pass on all the other baggage they attach to that one idea

I want a party where functioning under an actual budget is paramount
and all Religion is treated like a plague that kills Republics (because it is)
and Women are not subject to different medical standards than men
and drugs and alcohol are looked at with an entirely new perspective (all taxed and handled equally)

there are a few dozen more - but - who cares

I don't give them a pass on it either, but just about everybody throws the baby out with the bath water when it comes to the Tea Party. They aren't monolithic- they are a conglomeration of hundreds of groups- many of which focus solely on fiscal issues.

Demonizing them is nothing but a smokescreen for the liberals AND a number of conservatives.

[Chizzang]

SD Hornet & CID1990
Of course you know I agree that we do NOT have a revenue problem... we have a spending problem
In fact its about the only thing I post on this forum

But I won't give the Tea Party a pass on all the other baggage they attach to that one idea

I want a party where functioning under an actual budget is paramount
and all Religion is treated like a plague that kills Republics (because it is)
and Women are not subject to different medical standards than men
and drugs and alcohol are looked at with an entirely new perspective (all taxed and handled equally)

there are a few dozen more - but - who cares

I don't give them a pass on it either, but just about everybody throws the baby out with the bath water when it comes to the Tea Party. They aren't monolithic- they are a conglomeration of hundreds of groups- many of which focus solely on fiscal issues.

Demonizing them is nothing but a smokescreen for the liberals AND a number of conservatives.

Agreed
Demonizing them is a ploy...
It allows them to be dismissed as nonsense or insane / rather than engaging in legitimate debate
but frequently when a Tea Party member speaks the sh!t that comes out of their mouth does sound insane

it's a fine line

[kalm]

I don't give them a pass on it either, but just about everybody throws the baby out with the bath water when it comes to the Tea Party. They aren't monolithic- they are a conglomeration of hundreds of groups- many of which focus solely on fiscal issues.

Demonizing them is nothing but a smokescreen for the liberals AND a number of conservatives.

Agreed
Demonizing them is a ploy...
It allows them to be dismissed as nonsense or insane / rather than engaging in legitimate debate
but frequently when a Tea Party member speaks the sh!t that comes out of their mouth does sound insane

it's a fine line

Yeah! There just a poor misunderstood group of white conks with Ted Cruz and Allen West, founded and funded by the likes of the Koch brothers and Phil Graham to cut taxes and take away social services.

Why wouldn't people like them?

[Chizzang]

Agreed
Demonizing them is a ploy...
It allows them to be dismissed as nonsense or insane / rather than engaging in legitimate debate
but frequently when a Tea Party member speaks the sh!t that comes out of their mouth does sound insane

it's a fine line

Yeah! There just a poor misunderstood group of white conks with Ted Cruz and Allen West, founded and funded by the likes of the Koch brothers and Phil Graham to cut taxes and take away social services.

Why wouldn't people like them?

We DO NOT need taxes cut
Every time congress dicks around with the tax code they make it worse
Leave it alone and work on the problem - which is - SPENDING

[kalm]

Yeah! There just a poor misunderstood group of white conks with Ted Cruz and Allen West, founded and funded by the likes of the Koch brothers and Phil Graham to cut taxes and take away social services.

Why wouldn't people like them?

We DO NOT need taxes cut
Every time congress dicks around with the tax code they make it worse
Leave it alone and work on the problem - which is - SPENDING

Too many people and industries of influence rely upon spending for this to be realistic. Compromise would be to do both.

[Grizalltheway]

We DO NOT need taxes cut
Every time congress dicks around with the tax code they make it worse
Leave it alone and work on the problem - which is - SPENDING

Too many people and industries of influence rely upon spending for this to be realistic. Compromise would be to do both.

Exactly-everyone has their snouts in the trough, but nobody, especially the Teabaggers, wants to admit it or have spending cuts that effect them or their constituents.

[Chizzang]

We DO NOT need taxes cut
Every time congress dicks around with the tax code they make it worse
Leave it alone and work on the problem - which is - SPENDING

Too many people and industries of influence rely upon spending for this to be realistic. Compromise would be to do both.

Oh... don't I know it
As a nation we will NEVER accept less spending from our Federal Government
Everybody has their hand in the pie

That's why I don't vote on spending issues - it's all just talk - I vote on social issues


See Youtube clip below:
Imagine the pile of leaves as U.S. Tax Revenue collected annually
and the Husky Pup is Congress

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xEX-48RHCY#t=76[/youtube]

[DSUrocks07]

Me thinks America is ready for a snarky President

[AZGrizFan]

Do you know where things would be right now if it weren't for the Tea Party movement? Instead of holding one House of Congress and the Presidency the Democrats would hold both Houses of Congress and the Presidency. The Tea Party is the reason the Republicans gained control of the House with the 2010 elections.

It's the same old thing with the "establishment" Republicans. They look at various groups on the "right" as hurting their party. But the Republican Party was way more irrelevant before groups on the "right" started becoming involved.

If the "establishment" Republicans had had their way all through my lifetime Ronald Reagan would never have been nominated as the Republican candidate for President, the Republicans would not have gained control of Congress with the 1994 elections, and the Republicans would not control the House of Representatives right now. We'd be back to where we were before the "Moral Majority" became active continuing a decades long and approaching a century long period of total Democrat Party dominance.

The "establishment" Republicans got their way with each of the past two Republican Presidential nominees. How did that work out? 0 and 2, right?

So they got Romney last time and that's what they wanted. And what happened? Among other things about 4.4 million fewer White Christians turned out to vote than voted in 2008. Boy, that really helps you when 4.4 million fewer from a group that typically votes 2:1 in your favor go out to vote when by all rights you ought to see millions more of them voting because the enthusiasm for getting Obama out of office should be high.

You people who think the "far right" needs to be defeated within the Republican Party for the Republican Party to succeed either haven't lived long enough to remember what it was like in terms of the balance of power before the "far right" showed up on the Republican side or you've just chosen to forget.

The Republican Party loses the support of the "far right" and it's done. History shows it's more competitive with the "far right" on its side than without it. You need to come to grips with that and deal with reality instead of all this fantasizing about how the Republican Party could REALLY do well if only they could get rid of those Tea Party people." Or whatever other "far right" group is in the forefront at the time.

I hate to break it to you John but the country continues to move progressive from a social standpoint. Gays, war on drugs, and religious based laws are a losing battle.

On the economic front, the lazy, parasitic, 47%, meme might be true to a small degree but the reality is most people think they work hard and deserve the "average American" lifestyle they see on tv and in other forms of advertising. They also think they work hard enough to afford healthcare, college education for their kids, and to be able to retire with digniity.

Again, whether that's right or not, that's how they feel. They of course are struggling to afford all these "wants" without going into massive debt and Republican economic policy has done very little to increase their wages or upward mobility.

They "feel" that way because that's what they're bombarded with--from the "everybody gets a trophy" mentality of little league and soccer on up to the helicopter parents who hover and meddle with their kids teachers/bosses, kids have been taught (and are now adults) that there are NO losers, and everything is yours for the taking...no matter how little you work, no matter how much you depend on government assistance, you are still ENTITLED to the "average American lifestyle", including iPhones all around, a new car, big screen TV's, college for the kids (paid for by the gov't, of course), healthcare for all (paid for by the taxpayers, of course), etc., etc., etc. The country has almost completed the turn to a full on entitlement mentality, where those who have not don't have to WORK for it, they get the government to take it and redistribute it -- for votes of course. That is NOT a sustainable model. Call me old, call me an alarmist, call me a conspiracy theorist....call me whatever the fuck you want. This country is now in a death spiral that I don't think we'll recover from. And it all stems from some misguided notion that everybody is entitled to everything regardless of their income level or work ethic.

[TheDancinMonarch]

I hate to break it to you John but the country continues to move progressive from a social standpoint. Gays, war on drugs, and religious based laws are a losing battle.

On the economic front, the lazy, parasitic, 47%, meme might be true to a small degree but the reality is most people think they work hard and deserve the "average American" lifestyle they see on tv and in other forms of advertising. They also think they work hard enough to afford healthcare, college education for their kids, and to be able to retire with digniity.

Again, whether that's right or not, that's how they feel. They of course are struggling to afford all these "wants" without going into massive debt and Republican economic policy has done very little to increase their wages or upward mobility.

They "feel" that way because that's what they're bombarded with--from the "everybody gets a trophy" mentality of little league and soccer on up to the helicopter parents who hover and meddle with their kids teachers/bosses, kids have been taught (and are now adults) that there are NO losers, and everything is yours for the taking...no matter how little you work, no matter how much you depend on government assistance, you are still ENTITLED to the "average American lifestyle", including iPhones all around, a new car, big screen TV's, college for the kids (paid for by the gov't, of course), healthcare for all (paid for by the taxpayers, of course), etc., etc., etc. The country has almost completed the turn to a full on entitlement mentality, where those who have not don't have to WORK for it, they get the government to take it and redistribute it -- for votes of course. That is NOT a sustainable model. Call me old, call me an alarmist, call me a conspiracy theorist....call me whatever the **** you want. This country is now in a death spiral that I don't think we'll recover from. And it all stems from some misguided notion that everybody is entitled to everything regardless of their income level or work ethic.

Amen brother!!!

[CAA Flagship]

Christie was on CNBC's Squawk Box this morning.

Had some interesting comments including favoring rehab instead of incarceration for first time, non-violent, drug offenders and discussing the tax system on the top 1%. He said the top 1% paid 41% of NJ State tax revenue. And with new laws coming into effect, they essentially made sheltering moves ahead of the hit that caused a huge decrease in State tax revenue.

Also said there are 6,000 less State Govt. employees now than when he took office, and he is trying to reform the State pension benefits that are crippling New Jersey.

[AZGrizFan]

Christie was on CNBC's Squawk Box this morning.

Had some interesting comments including favoring rehab instead of incarceration for first time, non-violent, drug offenders and discussing the tax system on the top 1%. He said the top 1% paid 41% of NJ State tax revenue. And with new laws coming into effect, they essentially made sheltering moves ahead of the hit that caused a huge decrease in State tax revenue.

Also said there are 6,000 less State Govt. employees now than when he took office, and he is trying to reform the State pension benefits that are crippling New Jersey.

Yeah. He'd never work as President. He gets too much stuff done.

[Chizzang]

Christie was on CNBC's Squawk Box this morning.

Had some interesting comments including favoring rehab instead of incarceration for first time, non-violent, drug offenders and discussing the tax system on the top 1%. He said the top 1% paid 41% of NJ State tax revenue. And with new laws coming into effect, they essentially made sheltering moves ahead of the hit that caused a huge decrease in State tax revenue.

Also said there are 6,000 less State Govt. employees now than when he took office, and he is trying to reform the State pension benefits that are crippling New Jersey.

THIS ^ is why you can't go after the TOP 1% and their money...
They have teams of lawyers and over-seas accountants working for them to HIDE THEIR MONEY
When you run straight at them, they will duck



Leave them the right where they are taxation wise
and create a budget that works with the money you can reasonably collect under the current plan

1) We do not have a revenue problem
2) We have a spending problem
3) See #1