Obama: "Unemployment Benefits Create Jobs"

[AZGrizFan]

IT survived 7 years there...although I suspect he's a tad tougher than cleetzy.

IT seems like the kind of guy who goes looking for bar fights.

Imagine Tip O'Neil in a brawl....that would be IT.

[Chizzang]

Boston U is a fine school
The old girl I'm dating considered B.U. for her PhD but ended up going to Italy to get it...
and then quit after one semester (and came back home) for reasons she won't entirely explain, something about a dark lord and a ring a dragon and the end of the world..?

How old, Chizzy? Are we talking Sophia Loren old, or Amanda Knox old?

After a string of women considerably younger than myself...
The woman I'm with now is my age (Late 40's) so I call her the old girl

[CitadelGrad]

IT seems like the kind of guy who goes looking for bar fights.

Imagine Tip O'Neil in a brawl....that would be IT.

Tip O'Neil in a brawl isn't that hard to imagine.

[Ivytalk]

Imagine Tip O'Neil in a brawl....that would be IT.

Tip O'Neil in a brawl isn't that hard to imagine.

With all due respect to AZGF, the only physical trait that Tip and I have in common is a mane of white hair. My nose is smaller and flesh-colored. And I have no Irish heritage that I'm aware of.

Never been in a bar fight. I avoid them by buying other people drinks!

[AZGrizFan]

Tip O'Neil in a brawl isn't that hard to imagine.

With all due respect to AZGF, the only physical trait that Tip and I have in common is a mane of white hair. My nose is smaller and flesh-colored. And I have no Irish heritage that I'm aware of.

Never been in a bar fight. I avoid them by buying other people drinks!

OK. Imagine Phil Donahue in a bar brawl.

[CitadelGrad]

With all due respect to AZGF, the only physical trait that Tip and I have in common is a mane of white hair. My nose is smaller and flesh-colored. And I have no Irish heritage that I'm aware of.

Never been in a bar fight. I avoid them by buying other people drinks!

OK. Imagine Phil Donahue in a bar brawl.

Well, I can imagine Phil Donahue getting the shit beaten out of him.

[ODUsmitty]

If unemployment benefits are so good for the economy, then shouldn't the economy be booming as we have paid so many so much for so long to be unemployed.

It would have been far, far worse without the help

Heard the same bullshit abut the nearly $1,000,000,000,000 stimulus and shovel ready jobs.

Not buying it.

[SuperHornet]

AZ: You're assuming that EVERYONE on unemployment is lazy. Not so. I spent five good years looking for that permanent job that didn't come until last year. People just don't want to hire the long-term unemployed. There are companies that put it in the job posting: if you're unemployed, don't bother applying here. That's BS, but they get away with it. I also had to put up with scoring high on job tests, only to be the "token male" in the interview room and watch the job go to some hot chick. That sucks!

SD: Second job? That's a dangerous proposition. If you get it, it's tough to get time off to interview for F/T positions. Even worse, BOTH jobs often insist on being the "primary" job for scheduling purposes, and that often forces the employee to make a decision on which job to go to if BOTH try to play hardball on that. The other one will then fire the employee for unreliability, which is a bad thing when it's time to apply for the NEXT job. Multiple jobs is a catch-22 in my book....

That said, the HI got it right. While unemployment benefits are a necessary evil for those trying to get back on their feet, the only "jobs" they create are administrator jobs...and then only when the State is willing to fund those positions. If your state is anything like Cali, be prepared to call for days on end...it's nearly impossible to get through, even if you try as soon as they open. Cali doesn't let you get in the queue before they open, and if you're caller X+1 when their system can only handle X calls, you get kicked out. Stupid!

[Ivytalk]

With all due respect to AZGF, the only physical trait that Tip and I have in common is a mane of white hair. My nose is smaller and flesh-colored. And I have no Irish heritage that I'm aware of.

Never been in a bar fight. I avoid them by buying other people drinks!

OK. Imagine Phil Donahue in a bar brawl.

Mr. Marlo Thomas would get clocked.

[OL FU]

Tip O'Neil in a brawl isn't that hard to imagine.

With all due respect to AZGF, the only physical trait that Tip and I have in common is a mane of white hair. My nose is smaller and flesh-colored. And I have no Irish heritage that I'm aware of.

Never been in a bar fight. I avoid them by buying other people drinks!

I'll have a double

[Ibanez]

AZ: You're assuming that EVERYONE on unemployment is lazy. Not so. I spent five good years looking for that permanent job that didn't come until last year. People just don't want to hire the long-term unemployed. There are companies that put it in the job posting: if you're unemployed, don't bother applying here. That's BS, but they get away with it. I also had to put up with scoring high on job tests, only to be the "token male" in the interview room and watch the job go to some hot chick. That sucks!

SD: Second job? That's a dangerous proposition. If you get it, it's tough to get time off to interview for F/T positions. Even worse, BOTH jobs often insist on being the "primary" job for scheduling purposes, and that often forces the employee to make a decision on which job to go to if BOTH try to play hardball on that. The other one will then fire the employee for unreliability, which is a bad thing when it's time to apply for the NEXT job. Multiple jobs is a catch-22 in my book....

That said, the HI got it right. While unemployment benefits are a necessary evil for those trying to get back on their feet, the only "jobs" they create are administrator jobs...and then only when the State is willing to fund those positions. If your state is anything like Cali, be prepared to call for days on end...it's nearly impossible to get through, even if you try as soon as they open. Cali doesn't let you get in the queue before they open, and if you're caller X+1 when their system can only handle X calls, you get kicked out. Stupid!

That is a big issue. My wife is going through that now. However, since she is smart, she's been building her portfolio by doing photo shoots and has become a substitute teacher to avoid the gap in employment.

Here's an idea: Unemployment benefits comes with a condition that you actively search for a job(which they are supposed to be doing) but also while you are not working, you perform community service. The tax payers are paying you, so why not go volunteer a few hours a week tutoring children or working at a food bank.

[mrklean]

AZ: You're assuming that EVERYONE on unemployment is lazy. Not so. I spent five good years looking for that permanent job that didn't come until last year. People just don't want to hire the long-term unemployed. There are companies that put it in the job posting: if you're unemployed, don't bother applying here. That's BS, but they get away with it. I also had to put up with scoring high on job tests, only to be the "token male" in the interview room and watch the job go to some hot chick. That sucks!

SD: Second job? That's a dangerous proposition. If you get it, it's tough to get time off to interview for F/T positions. Even worse, BOTH jobs often insist on being the "primary" job for scheduling purposes, and that often forces the employee to make a decision on which job to go to if BOTH try to play hardball on that. The other one will then fire the employee for unreliability, which is a bad thing when it's time to apply for the NEXT job. Multiple jobs is a catch-22 in my book....

That said, the HI got it right. While unemployment benefits are a necessary evil for those trying to get back on their feet, the only "jobs" they create are administrator jobs...and then only when the State is willing to fund those positions. If your state is anything like Cali, be prepared to call for days on end...it's nearly impossible to get through, even if you try as soon as they open. Cali doesn't let you get in the queue before they open, and if you're caller X+1 when their system can only handle X calls, you get kicked out. Stupid!

That is a big issue. My wife is going through that now. However, since she is smart, she's been building her portfolio by doing photo shoots and has become a substitute teacher to avoid the gap in employment.

Here's an idea: Unemployment benefits comes with a condition that you actively search for a job(which they are supposed to be doing) but also while you are not working, you perform community service. The tax payers are paying you, so why not go volunteer a few hours a week tutoring children or working at a food bank.

Looking for a Job is a full time job

[Ibanez]

That is a big issue. My wife is going through that now. However, since she is smart, she's been building her portfolio by doing photo shoots and has become a substitute teacher to avoid the gap in employment.

Here's an idea: Unemployment benefits comes with a condition that you actively search for a job(which they are supposed to be doing) but also while you are not working, you perform community service. The tax payers are paying you, so why not go volunteer a few hours a week tutoring children or working at a food bank.

Looking for a Job is a full time job

Looking for a job doesn't equate to skills and abilities. People who have been out of the workforce for years are thought to be slow/rusty with the skills needed.

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1. People who have a job are proven to be valuable. "If someone is still currently employed, it tells me they're skilled enough, valuable enough to still be employed, to still have a job," explains Comana.

2. You can't be sure why the unemployed lost their jobs. "You have to definitely investigate their situation," Comana says about unemployed applicants, to find out whether they lost their job because of downsizing or poor performance. "There could be a very well qualified individual who was just downsized out of the job. And a person who was downsized is more valuable than someone who lost their job because of poor performance."


3. The employed will adjust quicker to a new job. "Getting them into the daily routine," Comana says, is another potential issue in hiring the unemployed. "It would be less burdensome to try to acclimate the [already-employed] employee into their required work environment,"
"When you're out of the job market I think you kind of forget how to follow directions, or just don't really pay attention to what's being requested," he says. "You become a little rusty."

4. An employed candidate has fresher job skills.

5. I have to watch the bottom line.

[AZGrizFan]

AZ: You're assuming that EVERYONE on unemployment is lazy. Not so. I spent five good years looking for that permanent job that didn't come until last year. People just don't want to hire the long-term unemployed. There are companies that put it in the job posting: if you're unemployed, don't bother applying here. That's BS, but they get away with it. I also had to put up with scoring high on job tests, only to be the "token male" in the interview room and watch the job go to some hot chick. That sucks!

GFY. I never ever said everyone on unemployment is lazy. But it's retarded to think that unemployment benefits CREATE jobs. The jobs are out there. May not be your LIFETIME job, may not be the job you left/got fired from/were laid off from, but the jobs are out there. Get a fucking job and get off the dole. Then when you HAVE a job, it's a lot easier to find the PERMANENT job you so desperately seek.

[Ibanez]

AZ: You're assuming that EVERYONE on unemployment is lazy. Not so. I spent five good years looking for that permanent job that didn't come until last year. People just don't want to hire the long-term unemployed. There are companies that put it in the job posting: if you're unemployed, don't bother applying here. That's BS, but they get away with it. I also had to put up with scoring high on job tests, only to be the "token male" in the interview room and watch the job go to some hot chick. That sucks!

GFY. I never ever said everyone on unemployment is lazy. But it's retarded to think that unemployment benefits CREATE jobs. The jobs are out there. May not be your LIFETIME job, may not be the job you left/got fired from/were laid off from, but the jobs are out there. Get a fucking job and get off the dole. Then when you HAVE a job, it's a lot easier to find the PERMANENT job you so desperately seek.

Unemployment creates jobs? That's good. When did Jerry Seinfeld become a speech writer?

[SuperHornet]

Here's an idea: Unemployment benefits comes with a condition that you actively search for a job(which they are supposed to be doing) but also while you are not working, you perform community service. The tax payers are paying you, so why not go volunteer a few hours a week tutoring children or working at a food bank.

That is a VERY good idea, Mark. I would have gladly done that were the opportunity provided. I DID do some free-lance tutoring, but those gigs didn't last very long.

[AZGrizFan]

Here's an idea: Unemployment benefits comes with a condition that you actively search for a job(which they are supposed to be doing) but also while you are not working, you perform community service. The tax payers are paying you, so why not go volunteer a few hours a week tutoring children or working at a food bank.

That is a VERY good idea, Mark. I would have gladly done that were the opportunity provided. I DID do some free-lance tutoring, but those gigs didn't last very long.

What do you mean "were the opportunity provided"? You had nothing but TIME, the opportunity was literally kicking you in the nuts.

[YoUDeeMan]

That is a VERY good idea, Mark. I would have gladly done that were the opportunity provided. I DID do some free-lance tutoring, but those gigs didn't last very long.

What do you mean "were the opportunity provided"? You had nothing but TIME, the opportunity was literally kicking you in the nuts.

SH has nuts?

[Ibanez]

What do you mean "were the opportunity provided"? You had nothing but TIME, the opportunity was literally kicking you in the nuts.

SH has nuts?

Maybe just a fleshy sack where they should be.

[CID1990]

Unemployment is one part of the safety net I wouldn't mess with.

I don't think I like the way it has been driven politically, though. It is a football right now, but the push to extend it isn't being viewed the way it should be: a proportional indicator of the abject failure of the fiscal and economic policies of the sitting administration (no matter who that might be).

Right now, the Republican stance should be this:

Extend the benefits. Do it unanimously. Explain VERY clearly that although it is a an irresponsible act fiscally speaking, it is a necessary short term one that has been forced on all of us because the White House, after more than 5 years, has proven that it has no clue how to improve the economy and create jobs.

Politically crass, yes, but the Prez ran on fixing this stuff, and here we are 5 years later needing to extend unemployment benefits. Time to take some ownership

Edit:

I just read where Harry Reid predictably depth charged the whole thing by not allowing any amendments. So much for Republicans being the problem. Any amendments would come up for a vote, and the Dems could vote down the ones they dont want anyway, so why kill the bill with this move? Because Harry and Co needs something to hang the GOP on moving into the midterms. They know what is coming, but only the most craven partisan would buy what they are going to try to sell this fall.

[AZGrizFan]

Unemployment is one part of the safety net I wouldn't mess with.

I don't think I like the way it has been driven politically, though. It is a football right now, but the push to extend it isn't being viewed the way it should be: a proportional indicator of the abject failure of the fiscal and economic policies of the sitting administration (no matter who that might be).

Right now, the Republican stance should be this:

Extend the benefits. Do it unanimously. Explain VERY clearly that although it is a an irresponsible act fiscally speaking, it is a necessary short term one that has been forced on all of us because the White House, after more than 5 years, has proven that it has no clue how to improve the economy and create jobs.

Politically crass, yes, but the Prez ran on fixing this stuff, and here we are 5 years later needing to extend unemployment benefits. Time to take some ownership

Edit:

I just read where Harry Reid predictably depth charged the whole thing by not allowing any amendments. So much for Republicans being the problem. Any amendments would come up for a vote, and the Dems could vote down the ones they dont want anyway, so why kill the bill with this move? Because Harry and Co needs something to hang the GOP on moving into the midterms. They know what is coming, but only the most craven partisan would buy what they are going to try to sell this fall.

Donk lapdogs will lap this shit up and vote like drones.

[LeadBolt]

As pointed out above, the need to extend unemployment benefits is an indictment of this administration and its failed policies. Shouldn't all those "shovel ready jobs" the President promised made a dent in this?

Looking at today's jobs number, the weakest in 3 years, the drop in the unemployment rate came 1/3 from people getting jobs and 2/3 from people dropping out of the labor force from discouragement. The labor force participation rate is the lowest in 36 years.

One has to wonder if the growing gap between the wealthiest and the poorest has more to do with the destruction of jobs rather than an unfair system.

It kills me how this is twisted by those that defend this incompetent administration and it's ideological ilk. Even more how it is bought by the 3% of the sheeple that determine how elections come out. How do Republicans get the blame for this when the Democrats control the administration, the Senate and the Supreme Court by blackmailing Roberts over his adopted children?

The best description I have heard about this economy is that the recovery is proceeding at half speed. Historically the economy has needed 3.5% growth to create enough jobs to foster prosperity. We are stuck in half that, which doesn't create enough jobs to keep us prosperous.

[kalm]

As pointed out above, the need to extend unemployment benefits is an indictment of this administration and its failed policies. Shouldn't all those "shovel ready jobs" the President promised made a dent in this?

Looking at today's jobs number, the weakest in 3 years, the drop in the unemployment rate came 1/3 from people getting jobs and 2/3 from people dropping out of the labor force from discouragement. The labor force participation rate is the lowest in 36 years.

One has to wonder if the growing gap between the wealthiest and the poorest has more to do with the destruction of jobs rather than an unfair system.

It kills me how this is twisted by those that defend this incompetent administration and it's ideological ilk. Even more how it is bought by the 3% of the sheeple that determine how elections come out. How do Republicans get the blame for this when the Democrats control the administration, the Senate and the Supreme Court by blackmailing Roberts over his adopted children?

The best description I have heard about this economy is that the recovery is proceeding at half speed. Historically the economy has needed 3.5% growth to create enough jobs to foster prosperity. We are stuck in half that, which doesn't create enough jobs to keep us prosperous.

What have the Republican's jobs plans been like?

[CID1990]

As pointed out above, the need to extend unemployment benefits is an indictment of this administration and its failed policies. Shouldn't all those "shovel ready jobs" the President promised made a dent in this?

Looking at today's jobs number, the weakest in 3 years, the drop in the unemployment rate came 1/3 from people getting jobs and 2/3 from people dropping out of the labor force from discouragement. The labor force participation rate is the lowest in 36 years.

One has to wonder if the growing gap between the wealthiest and the poorest has more to do with the destruction of jobs rather than an unfair system.

It kills me how this is twisted by those that defend this incompetent administration and it's ideological ilk. Even more how it is bought by the 3% of the sheeple that determine how elections come out. How do Republicans get the blame for this when the Democrats control the administration, the Senate and the Supreme Court by blackmailing Roberts over his adopted children?

The best description I have heard about this economy is that the recovery is proceeding at half speed. Historically the economy has needed 3.5% growth to create enough jobs to foster prosperity. We are stuck in half that, which doesn't create enough jobs to keep us prosperous.

What have the Republican's jobs plans been like?

That's cute, but you know better.

And the Harry Reid would be sure to ram any GOP jobs bill right through the Senate, as he has done so many times before.

[kalm]

What have the Republican's jobs plans been like?

That's cute, but you know better.

And the Harry Reid would be sure to ram any GOP jobs bill right through the Senate, as he has done so many times before.

Seriously...what are their plans?