Majority of Americans Support Legalization of Pot

[Grizalltheway]

That alcohol is more prevalent than pot because it's been legal with the exception of prohibition, and it's not even close. Anyone who argues against that is in denial.

FIFY

Good call, shitforbrains. Just look at all the young adults who end up in the ER or dead from marijuana poisoning!

[CID1990]

And we haven't even started to talk about all of the medicinal positives....

Whoa whoa there, Nellie

We have warning labels on cigarettes that in effect say that breathing smoke into your lungs is not good for you.... those labels are for retards who might not intuitively realize that without the government telling them

But you and I are supposedly educated

Pot is about to be legal in most states so there's no reason to keep propping up High Times propaganda... THC might well relieve the discomfort of glaucoma and chemo, but it is still breathing smoke into your lungs, which scars your pulmonary arteries, which causes plaque to stick to the walls of those arteries... you get the picture

It's like recommending cigarette smoking to alleviate low blood pressure issues

[CID1990]

FIFY

Good call, shitforbrains. Just look at all the young adults who end up in the ER or dead from marijuana poisoning!

One thing we will not know for a long time is precisely what the ill effects of marijuana are because most marijuana research was proscribed by the government

So the body of science on it is lacking. It is easy to say nobody ever went to the ER over a marijuana overdose, but it is near impossible to say whether or not regular marijuana smokers suffer from heightened levels of lung cancer, heart disease and hypertension. I am sure we will start finding out over the next several years.

[kalm]

And we haven't even started to talk about all of the medicinal positives....

Whoa whoa there, Nellie

We have warning labels on cigarettes that in effect say that breathing smoke into your lungs is not good for you.... those labels are for retards who might not intuitively realize that without the government telling them

But you and I are supposedly educated

Pot is about to be legal in most states so there's no reason to keep propping up High Times propaganda... THC might well relieve the discomfort of glaucoma and chemo, but it is still breathing smoke into your lungs, which scars your pulmonary arteries, which causes plaque to stick to the walls of those arteries... you get the picture

It's like recommending cigarette smoking to alleviate low blood pressure issues

All drugs have side affects, pot has shown promise in more areas than you listed, and other delivery systems are available. But thanks for the analogy, Z.

[CID1990]

Whoa whoa there, Nellie

We have warning labels on cigarettes that in effect say that breathing smoke into your lungs is not good for you.... those labels are for retards who might not intuitively realize that without the government telling them

But you and I are supposedly educated

Pot is about to be legal in most states so there's no reason to keep propping up High Times propaganda... THC might well relieve the discomfort of glaucoma and chemo, but it is still breathing smoke into your lungs, which scars your pulmonary arteries, which causes plaque to stick to the walls of those arteries... you get the picture

It's like recommending cigarette smoking to alleviate low blood pressure issues

All drugs have side affects, pot has shown promise in more areas than you listed, and other delivery systems are available. But thanks for the analogy, Z.

Right- but we aren't talking about legalizing THC in its pure form, are we?

We are talking about legalizing marijuana so people can smoke it

So again, argue the merits of legalization along libertarian lines- it is more intellecually honest

[Grizalltheway]

All drugs have side affects, pot has shown promise in more areas than you listed, and other delivery systems are available. But thanks for the analogy, Z.

Right- but we aren't talking about legalizing THC in its pure form, are we?

We are talking about legalizing marijuana so people can smoke it

So again, argue the merits of legalization along libertarian lines- it is more intellecually honest

You can also use a vaporizer or injest it in baked goods if you're worried about the smoke thing.

[bandl]

T-Man saw Reefer Madness a long time ago and took it as TRUTH.

Exactly Talk about being behind the (high) times...

Hey T, you know what? I know hundreds of people who didn't (experience your anecdotal evidence) and zero people who injured themselves on pot.

Pot is a drug which can be abused. It can also be used recreationally with very few detrimental affects. People who abuse pot or become addicted tend to be self-medicating against depression and anxiety...just like alcohol. In other words, the drug use is a SYMPTOM.

And we haven't even started to talk about all of the medicinal positives....

Hey, I know someone (yeah, that's it, I know someone!) who passed out from eating a spacecake and busted her nose. We were sent to the hospital in outer Amsterdam where we were told these kind of injuries were dime a dozen so they could help us out without the hassle. (You know, 'mericans getting doped up in Holland).
And I've done some fantastically stupid shit on pot! And on alcohol, but whatever.

[CID1990]

Right- but we aren't talking about legalizing THC in its pure form, are we?

We are talking about legalizing marijuana so people can smoke it

So again, argue the merits of legalization along libertarian lines- it is more intellecually honest

You can also use a vaporizer or injest it in baked goods if you're worried about the smoke thing.

Sure you can.

But again, the legalization crowd would likely not be placated by only the ability to inhale THC laden vapor or make brownies

[Ibanez]

Seems to me that there is a positive domino effect to legalizing marijuana. In theory, legalizing the sale and possession will keep the users out of prisons (which will have positive effects when those people go for jobs or try to keep a job), the product will be regulated making it weaker, the product will be taxed, which will be a bonus for local and state taxes, the success of cannabis providers will be extra income for the Feds, etc..

But, i'm sure there are downsides. Just because Colorado makes it legal doesn't mean a company in Colorado won't fire you for failing a drug test. Furthermore, you can smoke a bowl on Tuesday and test positive days later.

Let's get a few court cases settled and see how these laws in Washington and Colorado affect the population and it's statistics. Baby steps....baby steps.

[Ibanez]

Said it before...pot's worse than booze...

...in excess, both destroy families and lives...

...difference is...the drunk wakes up and asks, "What am I doing?"...

...the stoner wakes up and asks, "Where's my pipe?"

Denial and rationalization is much worse for pot abusers.

This past Monday, I spoke with an old friend who confided his house is in foreclosure...

...he spends almost $500/mo on pot. When I suggested he reform himself and stop getting high, he replied, "No...I NEED pot to maintain."

At 54 yrs (divorced, empty nester), he'll be moving in with his 70's parents next month.

Weak

Fucks

Die

Young

$500 in weed? That's a lot of weed. When does he have time to work...or clean the shit out of his pants?

[CID1990]

Seems to me that there is a positive domino effect to legalizing marijuana. In theory, legalizing the sale and possession will keep the users out of prisons (which will have positive effects when those people go for jobs or try to keep a job), the product will be regulated making it weaker, the product will be taxed, which will be a bonus for local and state taxes, the success of cannabis providers will be extra income for the Feds, etc..

But, i'm sure there are downsides. Just because Colorado makes it legal doesn't mean a company in Colorado won't fire you for failing a drug test. Furthermore, you can smoke a bowl on Tuesday and test positive days later.

Let's get a few court cases settled and see how these laws in Washington and Colorado affect the population and it's statistics. Baby steps....baby steps.

I'm for full on legalization and always have been

I just dont understand why more peoples' intelligence isn't insulted by some of the justifications of why it shouldn't be illegal. There is only one justification needed- people should be free to do what they want with their bodies as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else.

[bandl]

Said it before...pot's worse than booze...

...in excess, both destroy families and lives...

...difference is...the drunk wakes up and asks, "What am I doing?"...

...the stoner wakes up and asks, "Where's my pipe?"

Denial and rationalization is much worse for pot abusers.

This past Monday, I spoke with an old friend who confided his house is in foreclosure...

...he spends almost $500/mo on pot. When I suggested he reform himself and stop getting high, he replied, "No...I NEED pot to maintain."

At 54 yrs (divorced, empty nester), he'll be moving in with his 70's parents next month.

Weak

Fucks

Die

Young

$500 in weed? That's a lot of weed. When does he have time to work...or clean the shit out of his pants?

The guy is a drug addict, nothing more.

[kalm]

Exactly Talk about being behind the (high) times...

Hey T, you know what? I know hundreds of people who didn't (experience your anecdotal evidence) and zero people who injured themselves on pot.

Pot is a drug which can be abused. It can also be used recreationally with very few detrimental affects. People who abuse pot or become addicted tend to be self-medicating against depression and anxiety...just like alcohol. In other words, the drug use is a SYMPTOM.

And we haven't even started to talk about all of the medicinal positives....

Hey, I know someone (yeah, that's it, I know someone!) who passed out from eating a spacecake and busted her nose. We were sent to the hospital in outer Amsterdam where we were told these kind of injuries were dime a dozen so they could help us out without the hassle. (You know, 'mericans getting doped up in Holland).

And I've done some fantastically stupid shit on pot! And on alcohol, but whatever.

I was replying to tman's 1000's of lives ruined and dozens of friends killed post. Yeah, I should have said "seriously injured". Point remains, people are more aggressive and risk taking, and do more stupid shit on booze...they're simply different highs. Why don't you and hen go smoke a bowl and chill the fuck out.

[Ibanez]

$500 in weed? That's a lot of weed. When does he have time to work...or clean the shit out of his pants?

The guy is a drug addict, nothing more.

Yeah. I'm shocked he didn't sell the house for weed money.

[kalm]

All drugs have side affects, pot has shown promise in more areas than you listed, and other delivery systems are available. But thanks for the analogy, Z.

Right- but we aren't talking about legalizing THC in its pure form, are we?

We are talking about legalizing marijuana so people can smoke it

So again, argue the merits of legalization along libertarian lines- it is more intellecually honest

Both reasons are legit.

[grizzaholic]

Said it before...pot's worse than booze...

...in excess, both destroy families and lives...

...difference is...the drunk wakes up and asks, "What am I doing?"...

...the stoner wakes up and asks, "Where's my pipe?"

Denial and rationalization is much worse for pot abusers.

This past Monday, I spoke with an old friend who confided his house is in foreclosure...

...he spends almost $500/mo on pot. When I suggested he reform himself and stop getting high, he replied, "No...I NEED pot to maintain."

At 54 yrs (divorced, empty nester), he'll be moving in with his 70's parents next month.

Weak

Fucks

Die

Young

$500 in weed? That's a lot of weed. When does he have time to work...or clean the shit out of his pants?

So...and ounce and a half??? meh.

[Chizzang]

Said it before...pot's worse than booze...

...in excess, both destroy families and lives...

...difference is...the drunk wakes up and asks, "What am I doing?"...

...the stoner wakes up and asks, "Where's my pipe?"

Denial and rationalization is much worse for pot abusers.

This past Monday, I spoke with an old friend who confided his house is in foreclosure...

...he spends almost $500/mo on pot. When I suggested he reform himself and stop getting high, he replied, "No...I NEED pot to maintain."

At 54 yrs (divorced, empty nester), he'll be moving in with his 70's parents next month.

Weak

Fucks

Die

Young

When I finished laughing at your ridiculous post
I considered responding with the literally dozens of logical follow-up questions
then I thought: Anybody who seriously made that post isn't actually capable of logical debate

but thank you so much

[CID1990]

Right- but we aren't talking about legalizing THC in its pure form, are we?

We are talking about legalizing marijuana so people can smoke it

So again, argue the merits of legalization along libertarian lines- it is more intellecually honest

Both reasons are legit.

Not for the argument for making marijuana in its smoked form legal, they aren't.

Like you said, there are other delivery methods for THC outside of smoking the stuff. In fact, once marijuana becomes legal, doctors will NEVER EVER prescribe smoking marijuana when other delivery methods (read: not breathing smoke into your lungs) are available.

I can't wait for the lawsuits... "I got heart disease because my doc prescribed me marijuana for my glaucoma"

So go with the libertarian argument. You'll be able to say it with a straight face, we'll agree totally, and I'll stop losing repsect for you. That's a three way win

[kalm]

Both reasons are legit.

Not for the argument for making marijuana in its smoked form legal, they aren't.

Like you said, there are other delivery methods for THC outside of smoking the stuff. In fact, once marijuana becomes legal, doctors will NEVER EVER prescribe smoking marijuana when other delivery methods (read: not breathing smoke into your lungs) are available.

I can't wait for the lawsuits... "I got heart disease because my doc prescribed me marijuana for my glaucoma"

So go with the libertarian argument. You'll be able to say it with a straight face, we'll agree totally, and I'll stop losing repsect for you. That's a three way win

At the risk of losing even more respect than I have from you, smoking it only helps in cases of chemo or bolimia where they can't keep oral mess down. Pot should be legal for both recreational use and as a medicine. Now...what exactly are we arguing about again?

[jcu27]

Said it before...pot's worse than booze...

...in excess, both destroy families and lives...

...difference is...the drunk wakes up and asks, "What am I doing?"...

...the stoner wakes up and asks, "Where's my pipe?"

Denial and rationalization is much worse for pot abusers.

This past Monday, I spoke with an old friend who confided his house is in foreclosure...

...he spends almost $500/mo on pot. When I suggested he reform himself and stop getting high, he replied, "No...I NEED pot to maintain."

At 54 yrs (divorced, empty nester), he'll be moving in with his 70's parents next month.

Weak

****

Die

Young

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[Chizzang]

You cannot simultaneously be a pro-gun Republican and be Anti-pot
Just like you cannot be an Anti-Gun Liberal and be Pro-Marijuana

Guns / Drugs = Same Same

against:
1) Dangerous when abused (same)
2) Create underground trafficking issues (same)
3) Have cultural integration issues (same)

in defense:
1) Are part of each citizens basic rights
2) Are NOT a problem when used responsibly - don't blame the gun (drug) blame the idiot
3) Are part of the larger "accountability" issues culturally

You cannot logically MISS THESE ^ and say you're capable of critical honest debate
Guns and drugs have ALL THE SAME problems and issues

[CID1990]

Not for the argument for making marijuana in its smoked form legal, they aren't.

Like you said, there are other delivery methods for THC outside of smoking the stuff. In fact, once marijuana becomes legal, doctors will NEVER EVER prescribe smoking marijuana when other delivery methods (read: not breathing smoke into your lungs) are available.

I can't wait for the lawsuits... "I got heart disease because my doc prescribed me marijuana for my glaucoma"

So go with the libertarian argument. You'll be able to say it with a straight face, we'll agree totally, and I'll stop losing repsect for you. That's a three way win

At the risk of losing even more respect than I have from you, smoking it only helps in cases of chemo or bolimia where they can't keep oral mess down. Pot should be legal for both recreational use and as a medicine. Now...what exactly are we arguing about again?

we aren't arguing

we have arrived at the same conclusion

I'm just calling you out for getting there with a specious argument- marijuana does have proven medicinal properties (albeit with a slim amount of actual clinical work)- but THC can be given intravenously or orally. There is no need to smoke it to get the medicinal effect- the extract is just more expensive than lighting up. It is High Times propaganda to argue that marijuana should be legalized for its medicinal properties, when the entire staff at High Times like to smoke to get high- medical marijuana is a convenient argument for stoners who could care less about anything other than toking up

And you watch- the minute marijuana looses its legal bonds Pfizer will have THC extract ready for sale

[kalm]

At the risk of losing even more respect than I have from you, smoking it only helps in cases of chemo or bolimia where they can't keep oral mess down. Pot should be legal for both recreational use and as a medicine. Now...what exactly are we arguing about again?

we aren't arguing

we have arrived at the same conclusion

I'm just calling you out for getting there with a specious argument- marijuana does have proven medicinal properties (albeit with a slim amount of actual clinical work)- but THC can be given intravenously or orally. There is no need to smoke it to get the medicinal effect- the extract is just more expensive than lighting up. It is High Times propaganda to argue that marijuana should be legalized for its medicinal properties, when the entire staff at High Times like to smoke to get high- medical marijuana is a convenient argument for stoners who could care less about anything other than toking up

And you watch- the minute marijuana looses its legal bonds Pfizer will have THC extract ready for sale

Ugh....my initial remark was a general response to Tman about the attributes of weed. It should be legal for recreational use AND used for its medicinal qualities. You're starting to challenge 89hen for stubborn board curmudgeon.

[89Hen]

You cannot simultaneously be a pro-gun Republican and be Anti-pot

While I can use guns and pot for recreation (not recommended simultaneously), I can only use one for protection. You can't be serious Cleets. That's the worst arguement I've ever seen you make here.

[89Hen]

You're starting to challenge 89hen for stubborn board curmudgeon.

Only with a few people... you being at the top of the list. It's funny when two stubborn people have a discussion.