Will FCS Weber beat FBS Wyoming on Sep 5?

Sat Apr 25, 2009 12:41 pm

native wrote:
Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:Native the one thing that I can't see is that the WSU offense will be further along than the Wyo defense. That goes exactly the opposite of what I have seen traditionally for any program. Especially in UM's case the first half of the season is not nearly as good as the second half as far as offense goes.
Point well taken, Ursus, and I would normally agree.

But after seeing the offensive performance this spring and considering how much of the offense returns intact, I think Cameron and crew will be picking up in September where they left off last December, as opposed to starting all over as would occur most seasons.

In short, I think there is a good chance for 2009 to be the exception which proves the rule. Just my opinion.

If I were a WSU fan I would feel exactly the same in the situation so I can definitely see why you guys do. I'm just saying that it's WSU winning is less likely than Wyoming winning even with the prolific attack that WSU has. I certainly wouldn't be surprised to see WSU take it though. Like I said when a non conference or confernce team that we are playing has already taken out an FBS school it is the only time that you get that little extra excitement the week before you play them. It's not the level of playoffs but it is close.

dgreco · Post by **dgreco** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 1:29 pm

weberwildcat wrote:
dgreco wrote:no, wyoming has never lost to an "FCS" program and are improving and will be better than last year.

Most FBS have never lost to FCS. Also to add to that, WSU has never beat an FBS.

a lot of schools have dropped games to "fcs" teams over history. I put that in quotes because I mean current fcs programs whereever they were prior. Also, Wyoming has not been a dominate team and has still handled most fcs games easily. NDSU was close last year, and maybe that is a sign for WSU, but I still do not think it will happen.

weberwildcat · Post by **weberwildcat** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 1:56 pm

Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:
weberwildcat wrote:One more thing, for the UM fans:

Vote if u think they really will win the game, don't just say no because you want WSU to lose.
Man you have some serious envy issues if you would think that UM fans want you to lose that game. Winning that game makes the whole conference look better. It makes us look better if you beat them and then come in to WaGriz and we beat a 1 loss or even better an undefeated WSU. Did you see a lot of fans not touting WSU as a real legit team to the rest of the FCS community last year? I didn't. The only thing I can take away from what you posted is that you or WSU fans would be rooting against U of M in a similar situation and I think you would be in the minority of WSU fans that felt that way.

BTW, I voted no but I do hope that I am wrong. If it helps you justify why I may have voted that way, I also don't think U of M would win that game. I would find reasons that we COULD win it but I wouldn't just think we were gonna win. Let me put it this way...if Wyoming were in any FCS conference this year I would pick them to win that conference.

I know all Big Sky schools/fans pull for each other during a game against an FBS, I just don't think fans will use the same consideration when voting on a fans forum 4 months in advance.

Of course I'd pull for UM to beat an FBS, can't guarentee though that I'd vote that you will be them in a pull 4 months in advance. lol. 50/50 chance. I just know there are more UM fans on this forum than form any other school around the nation.

weberwildcat · Post by **weberwildcat** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 1:59 pm

slycat wrote:
weberwildcat wrote:
More than one break out year? To be fair we've only had one break out coach...so far, in what? 47 yrs...

Would you say WSU will be back to the middle of pack or below the middle of pack next year?
Last season we thought WSU could finish in the top 3 and at halftime at Hawaii we were up 17-7, though we did end up losing the game.

With a proven offense from last year coming back, and if they are healthy, our fans are a little more confident about attempting a win @ Wyo opposed to @ UH.
Middle of the pack and up. But that doesn't; mean you'll beat Wyoming. Hopefully your coach will take your team in the right direction and not get picked up by a FBS school like ours did.

One thing worth noting about coach mac, he's 69 yrs old and has a 4 yrs + 1 contract. He's already coached almost a decade and a half as a head coach in FBS.

He will retire at Weber even if they win 3 straight nat'l titles - just a point is all im making.

Also, he's been coaching at the FBS level almost 40 yrs prior to coming to WSU.

weberwildcat · Post by **weberwildcat** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 4:34 pm

weberwildcat wrote:
dgreco wrote:no, wyoming has never lost to an "FCS" program and are improving and will be better than last year.

Most FBS have never lost to FCS. Also to add to that, WSU has never beat an FBS.

I was wrong, WSU technically has 4 FBS wins.

North Texas, 1971
Utah State, 1978
Nevada, 1992 and 1993 - both in Reno (They joined the FBS in the 1992 season)

Nevada even won the Big West their first yr - 1992 lol

http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia ... ?year=1990

Post by **Ursus A. Horribilis** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 4:47 pm

weberwildcat wrote:
weberwildcat wrote:

Most FBS have never lost to FCS. Also to add to that, WSU has never beat an FBS.

I was wrong, WSU technically has 4 FBS wins.

North Texas, 1971
Utah State, 1978
Nevada, 1992 and 1993 - both in Reno (They joined the FBS in the 1992 season)

Nevada even won the Big West their first yr - 1992 lol

http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia ... ?year=1990

Take North Texas off the list though. They were FCS until about 1995 and then began the transition.

native · Post by **native** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 5:01 pm

Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:
weberwildcat wrote:
I was wrong, WSU technically has 4 FBS wins.

North Texas, 1971
Utah State, 1978
Nevada, 1992 and 1993 - both in Reno (They joined the FBS in the 1992 season)

Nevada even won the Big West their first yr - 1992 lol

http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia ... ?year=1990
Take North Texas off the list though. They were FCS until about 1995 and then began the transition.

This is really great news! No longer can the other fans make fun of Weber for being a flash in the pan. Now we know that Weber has a long and storied football tradition, winning a big game at least once every 20 years!

Post by **Wedgebuster** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 5:03 pm

Wyoming is a hell hole for visiting teams, early in the season, if it happens to be hot down there..

Two to three TD difference playing at War Memorial, or at your home stadium where ever it is. Not quite so much an advantage when talking about their conference opponents, but still a pretty good advantage.

Weber wins at Wy, even with the new staff, etc, and I will sport a W.S.U avatar until they are eliminated from the post season, or win it.

Now, what do I hear, any takers?

polsongrizz · Post by **polsongrizz** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 5:06 pm

weberwildcat wrote:One more thing, for the UM fans:

Vote if u think they really will win the game, don't just say no because you want WSU to lose.

Calm down there, I threw you some love and picked you guys to win...

native · Post by **native** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 5:15 pm

Wedgebuster wrote:Wyoming is a hell hole for visiting teams, early in the season, if it happens to be hot down there..

Two to three TD difference playing at War Memorial, or at your home stadium where ever it is. Not quite so much an advantage when talking about their conference opponents, but still a pretty good advantage.

Weber wins at Wy, even with the new staff, etc, and I will sport a W.S.U avatar until they are eliminated from the post season, or win it.

Now, what do I hear, any takers?

I'll take the bait!

Post by **MrTitleist** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 5:32 pm

10-20-1990
Wyoming 21
Weber St. 12

09-11-1999
Wyoming 41
Weber St. 16

I bet the score looks similar to the first one, but Weber will not come out of Laramie with a win. Wyoming's offense will finally get a boost this year, and the defense has been the strong point of the team for a few seasons now. Trevyn Smith will be rendered ineffective. The linebackers are too fast and too good. The Cowboys front seven will likely have two preseason award candidates, Mitch Unrein and John Fletcher. The Cowboy rushing attack will be as good as last season. Missouri's high powered offense has come to Laramie, but it remains to be seen if the WRs will be able to hold onto the football. You guys can say "anything can happen" all you want, but fact is, history isn't on your side, and after Montana exposed Weber with it's pants down last year in Missoula, I can bet that Pete Kaligis (now the UW o-line coach) will have some perils of wisdom for the coaching staff to prepare for this game. It's funny that Weber fans think that since they made the playoffs for the first time since 1991 and beat Montana for the first time since 1998 that they can all of a sudden take down FBS teams at their beckoning. Weber will start the season 0-2 with a loss to Colorado St. as well, a bowl team from last season.

Post by **Wedgebuster** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 5:50 pm

native wrote:
Wedgebuster wrote:Wyoming is a hell hole for visiting teams, early in the season, if it happens to be hot down there..

Two to three TD difference playing at War Memorial, or at your home stadium where ever it is. Not quite so much an advantage when talking about their conference opponents, but still a pretty good advantage.

Weber wins at Wy, even with the new staff, etc, and I will sport a W.S.U avatar until they are eliminated from the post season, or win it.

Now, what do I hear, any takers?
I'll take the bait!

OK!!, Wyoming wins, you do a UNC Avatar of my choosing, Weber wins I do a Weber Avatar of your choosing until which ever is eliminated from the playoffs, you are practically guaranteed a six week advantage right there!!

Deal??

native · Post by **native** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 6:05 pm

Wedgebuster wrote:
native wrote:
I'll take the bait!
OK!!, Wyoming wins, you do a UNC Avatar of my choosing, Weber wins I do a Weber Avatar of your choosing until which ever is eliminated from the playoffs, you are practically guaranteed a six week advantage right there!!

Deal??

Hmmmm... the fine print... could you show me some samples?

Mike Johnson · Post by **Mike Johnson** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 8:59 pm

weberwildcat wrote:
weberwildcat wrote:North Texas, 1971
Utah State, 1978
Nevada, 1992 and 1993 - both in Reno (They joined the FBS in the 1992 season)

Nevada even won the Big West their first yr - 1992 lol

http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia ... ?year=1990

1971 was not only before I-A (FBS) was created, it was before the NCAA went to three divisions. There were two divisions then--the University and the College divisions. Question--was the Big Sky in the University or the College division?

weberwildcat · Post by **weberwildcat** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:50 pm

UVU Guy and Ursus,

Your both incorrect.

North Texas was I-A when Weber beat them.

http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia ... /index.php

1937-1956 NCAA College Division (Small College)

1957-1972 NCAA University Division (Major College)

1973-1977 NCAA Division I

1978-1981 NCAA Division I-A

1982-1994 NCAA Division I-AA

1995-20XX NCAA Division I-A

As for the Big Sky:

1962-1972 NCAA College Division (Small College)

1973-1977 NCAA Division II

1978-20XX NCAA Division I-AA

weberwildcat · Post by **weberwildcat** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:51 pm

Mike Johnson wrote:
weberwildcat wrote:
1971 was not only before I-A (FBS) was created, it was before the NCAA went to three divisions. There were two divisions then--the University and the College divisions. Question--was the Big Sky in the University or the College division?

Any word or rumors of UVU getting football or wanting/trying to join the Big Sky?

native · Post by **native** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:52 pm

weberwildcat wrote:UVU Guy and Ursus,
Your both incorrect.
North Texas was I-A when Weber beat them.
http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia ... /index.php
1937-1956 NCAA College Division (Small College)
1957-1972 NCAA University Division (Major College)
1973-1977 NCAA Division I
1978-1981 NCAA Division I-A
1982-1994 NCAA Division I-AA
1995-20XX NCAA Division I-A

As for the Big Sky:
1962-1972 NCAA College Division (Small College)
1973-1977 NCAA Division II
1978-20XX NCAA Division I-AA

Thanks for all the research, Wildcat!

weberwildcat · Post by **weberwildcat** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:53 pm

MrTitleist wrote:10-20-1990
Wyoming 21
Weber St. 12

09-11-1999
Wyoming 41
Weber St. 16

I bet the score looks similar to the first one, but Weber will not come out of Laramie with a win. Wyoming's offense will finally get a boost this year, and the defense has been the strong point of the team for a few seasons now. Trevyn Smith will be rendered ineffective. The linebackers are too fast and too good. The Cowboys front seven will likely have two preseason award candidates, Mitch Unrein and John Fletcher. The Cowboy rushing attack will be as good as last season. Missouri's high powered offense has come to Laramie, but it remains to be seen if the WRs will be able to hold onto the football. You guys can say "anything can happen" all you want, but fact is, history isn't on your side, and after Montana exposed Weber with it's pants down last year in Missoula, I can bet that Pete Kaligis (now the UW o-line coach) will have some perils of wisdom for the coaching staff to prepare for this game. It's funny that Weber fans think that since they made the playoffs for the first time since 1991 and beat Montana for the first time since 1998 that they can all of a sudden take down FBS teams at their beckoning. Weber will start the season 0-2 with a loss to Colorado St. as well, a bowl team from last season.

We also laughed at Portland State's basketball team thinking they would win the Sky in 2008 and even 2009 we were still skeptical. Look at they did those 2 yrs with no history backing them. Ask Gonzaga.

Last yr Utah beat Weber 37-21 in Salt Lake and Utah beat Wyo 41-7 in Laramie. Only comparison from last year.

Post by **MrTitleist** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 11:08 pm

Basketball is not football. Ogden, UT is not Laramie, WY, your players will be sucking wind by halftime. Utah won the Sugar Bowl, but narrowly beat lots of teams. Weber St. blew their big opportunity against Eastern Washington and Montana. Wyoming beat Tennessee in front of 100,000+ on their homecoming. I stand by my prediction, Webs starts 0-2.

native · Post by **native** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 11:37 pm

MrTitleist wrote:Basketball is not football. Ogden, UT is not Laramie, WY, your players will be sucking wind by halftime. Utah won the Sugar Bowl, but narrowly beat lots of teams. Weber St. blew their big opportunity against Eastern Washington and Montana. Wyoming beat Tennessee in front of 100,000+ on their homecoming. I stand by my prediction, Webs starts 0-2.

You could be right, Mr. T, but Wyoming and Weber did play against a common opponent last year, so it would probably be worthwhile to compare performances.

On 27 September, Weber played a road game at Utah. The Utes defeated the Wildcats by 16 points, 37-21.
On 11 October, Wyoming hosted Utah in Laramie. The Utes defeated the Cowboys by 33 points, 40-7.

The Cowboy offense accumulated 184 yds rushing and 68 yds passing, for 252 yards of offense.
The Wildcats rushed for 56 yds and passed for 303 yds, totaling 359 yards of offense.

The Cowboys turned gave up two turnovers and allowed three defensive touchdowns, one each on an interception, a fumble recovery and a punt return.
The Wildcats gave up two fumbles but allowed no defensive touchdowns.

The Wildcats were 6 of 13 on 3d- and 4th-down conversions and scored on 2 of 3 red zone opportunities.
The Cowboys were 2 of 15 on 3d- and 4th-down conversions and scored on 1 of 2 red zone opportunities.

The Cowboys tied the score at 0-0 early in the first quarter and forced the Utes to wait almost 4 minutes to score and take the lead.
The Wildcats tied the score 7-7 in the first quarter and held the tie through the second quarter.

Cameron Higgins completed 24 of 38 passes for the Wildcats, for three TDs and zero interceptions and 303 yards. He was sacked twice.
Karsten Sween completed 8 of 18 passes for the Cowboys, with 3 interceptions and no touchdowns for 56 yards. He was sacked once.

Wyoming's top two rushers accounted for 163 of 184 net yards gained. Neither player returns for 2009.

Post by **MrTitleist** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:10 am

I would expect Wyoming's offense to put up more than 7 against Utah this year.
Also of note, Weber was down 34-7 going into the 4th quarter, so it's not like you guys really "hung" with Utah, rather, they trampled Weber for 3 quarters and called off the dogs probably somewhere between the 2nd and 3rd quarters when the game was in hand. Weber caught up with junk points in the 4th quarter when Utah's 2nd and 3rd stringers were in. What you also didn't mention in all of your fact finding was that Wyoming outgained Utah in total yards and first downs. UW turned the ball over 3 times on Sween interceptions, Utah had 0 turnovers.

native · Post by **native** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 1:59 am

MrTitleist wrote:I would expect Wyoming's offense to put up more than 7 against Utah this year.
Also of note, Weber was down 34-7 going into the 4th quarter, so it's not like you guys really "hung" with Utah, rather, they trampled Weber for 3 quarters and called off the dogs probably somewhere between the 2nd and 3rd quarters when the game was in hand. Weber caught up with junk points in the 4th quarter when Utah's 2nd and 3rd stringers were in. What you also didn't mention in all of your fact finding was that Wyoming outgained Utah in total yards and first downs. UW turned the ball over 3 times on Sween interceptions, Utah had 0 turnovers.

Point well taken. Turnovers are an important aspect of the game. You are also correct, in that the Cowboys out-gained Utah 252 yards to 242 yards (net), but these offensive yardage figures for Utah do not include the defensive yards gained in scoring the three defensive touchdowns.

It might also be worthwhile to note that Wyoming gained 167 of their yardage totals in the final 10 minutes of the fourth quarter.

The game was tied in the second quarter. Weber was within less than three touchdowns until final two minutes of the third quarter, and for all but 6 minutes of the game. Cameron had burned their secondary for a 35-yard TD pass in the first quarter, so I assure you that Utah didn't "call off the dogs" until the 4th quarter. By the end of the third quarter, Weber had gained 240 yards and penetrated the red zone twice against Utah's first team offense, almost as much yardage as Wyoming gained in their entire game.

Wyoming went down 27 points in the second quarter, and fell behind by 34 points early in the third quarter. The Cowboys penetrated the Utah red zone for the first time in the middle of the fourth quarter. I couldn't tell you when Utah put in the second team defense against the Cowboys, but I don't think they waited until the fourth quarter.

Wyoming will be a tough game, but I think the Wildcats have a chance.

PApokesPhan · Post by **PApokesPhan** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 7:48 am

I can tell you this, I do not know much about Weber St, except that they had a pretty good offense for the FCS level. and that they showed it off against Hawaii.

Hawaii..hasn't had a defense in a while.

Wyoming..has had one of the best defenses in the FBS for a few years now.

I also heard that WSU has had an inconsistent defense and lost many starters.

Wyoming's defense will most likely keep WSU down, especially in Wyoming, first game of the season.
Everyone wants to see the new coaching staff and offense. It should be intense at the War, which will help that defense even more.

The only way i can see WSU pulling out the W, is if the Wyoming offense cannot keep the ball in their possession and turn it over. But I feel that even with a couple of turnovers by Wyo's offense, that the defense should be able to hold up.

Wyo's defense is going to be stronger, faster and in better condition than any of the previous seasons under Glenn.

The Gipson Brothers at CB, are talented and skilled and should be able to cover WSU's wideouts.
The Defensive Line is starting for 3rd year together, Unrein, Fletcher and Givens. they should dominate.
The LB corps is lead by senior Johnson and stud soph Knapton. They can stop the run.
The only position of some question is at Safety, we have Prosinksi who is pretty darn good, but who is going to show up for the other spot.

All Wyo's offense has to do is get the ball into the hands of Stewart and Terry.

Wyo wins 20 to 10 (wyo 3 td's, on missed EP)

thats just how i see it, it is football, and it will be decided on the field, anything can happen

Post by **dbackjon** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 8:03 am

Mr. Titleist - I am sure you are aware that Weber plays a game every other year at 7,000 elevation (NAU). They sure didn't suck wind there last year. Not saying Weber is going to win, but the elevation will not be a shock to Weber like it is to some of the teams that NEVER play at elevation.

And welcome, PApokesFan!

kemajic · Post by **kemajic** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 8:10 am

weberwildcat wrote:
Willie wrote: I gotta ask. Why call out only the UM fans? I don't know of any other BSC team that is a "fan" of Weber.
I only said this because there are lots of UM fans that post on this forum.

Also, do you really live in Deer Lodge? If so, I'll PM ya about it.

You probably have relatives residing there....

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