Who Presented The Greatest Threat To The World?

[native]

Pretty sad and uninformed, I say.

We hold our American leaders to unattainable standards of perfection, demonize our own leaders and history, and turn a blind eye to true evil and ignore real dangers to peace, liberty and prosperity.

Bush sucked, but he was not the enemy of the world.

I can agree with the bolded statement.....however, I feel Bush and his policies placed our country in more danger than Saddam could ever if for no other reason than proximity....our military is weaker due to his blind support of Rumsfeld....spending billions on an unnecessary war certainly hasn't benefitted this country's financial health (not all his fault, but his policies did little to strengthen us)....seriously, what did Saddam ever do that was that dangerous? to American citizens I mean, not Iraqis?....I don't give two shits about Iraqis who couldn't ever muster the initiative to overthrow their own tyrant....

Points all well taken, but debatable, not a slam dunk.

[Cap'n Cat]

I can agree with the bolded statement.....however, I feel Bush and his policies placed our country in more danger than Saddam could ever if for no other reason than proximity....our military is weaker due to his blind support of Rumsfeld....spending billions on an unnecessary war certainly hasn't benefitted this country's financial health (not all his fault, but his policies did little to strengthen us)....seriously, what did Saddam ever do that was that dangerous? to American citizens I mean, not Iraqis?....I don't give two shits about Iraqis who couldn't ever muster the initiative to overthrow their own tyrant....

Points all well taken, but debatable, not a slam dunk.

Debatable, but with you at an extreme disadvantage, Navidad. He's holding all the aces and he's right.

[native]

I can agree with the bolded statement.....however, I feel Bush and his policies placed our country in more danger than Saddam could ever if for no other reason than proximity....our military is weaker due to his blind support of Rumsfeld....spending billions on an unnecessary war certainly hasn't benefitted this country's financial health (not all his fault, but his policies did little to strengthen us)....seriously, what did Saddam ever do that was that dangerous? to American citizens I mean, not Iraqis?....I don't give two shits about Iraqis who couldn't ever muster the initiative to overthrow their own tyrant....

It might be, it could be, it is! A Home Run!!

Maybe not a home run, but for sure a base hit.

Plenty of Iraqis mustered the courage to oppose Saddam. Like my ex-pat neighbor's brothers, and thousands of "Marsh Arabs," Shias and Kurds, they didn't survive the experience. But you MUST give them credit for trying, just as you MUST give credit to the millions of Iraqis who were bold enough to stick their finger in a bottle of indelible ink and vote.

Rumsfeld turned out to be a poor wartime SecDef. However, even though the military may be weaker because of resources gobbled up by the war, it is not because of his transformational initiatives! Our military today have by far the finest and most capable special forces in the history of the world, and the most combat efficient. If General Shinseki's "old army" way of thinking had prevailed, we would still be planning force structure and organizing resources too meet a Soviet invasion in the Fulda Gap. Whatever failures we may have experienced in Iraq have been political, not military.

I don't like the current world situation, but at least GW tried to be proactive. He was way over his head politically, and in many aspects, he failed. BUT hating on old George without even acknowledging the grave threats to OUR liberty and prosperity and offering alternative solutions is grossly irresponsible.

[native]

Points all well taken, but debatable, not a slam dunk.

Debatable, but with you at an extreme disadvantage, Navidad. He's holding all the aces and he's right.

"Navidad?" Never been called THAT before...

I choose to take it as a... compliment. Thank you.

Appaholic makes some good points, but he does not hold all the aces. Why do you want to play cards when the house is burning down?

[houndawg]

It might be, it could be, it is! A Home Run!!

Maybe not a home run, but for sure a base hit.

Plenty of Iraqis mustered the courage to oppose Saddam. (At the urging of GHW Bush, who then withheld support and watched saddam Butcher those who were stupid enough to listen.)


Like my ex-pat neighbor's brothers, and thousands of "Marsh Arabs," Shias and Kurds, they didn't survive the experience. But you MUST give them credit for trying, just as you MUST give credit to the millions of Iraqis who were bold enough to stick their finger in a bottle of indelible ink and vote.

Rumsfeld turned out to be a poor wartime SecDef. However, even though the military may be weaker because of resources gobbled up by the war, it is not because of his transformational initiatives!

Our military today have by far the finest and most capable special forces in the history of the world, and the most combat efficient. (:roll: And they can't catch Osama eight years later. Special Forces are just a tool for tactical work, and one 15 cent bullet kills them just as dead as anybody else. You need to focus on the bigger strategic picture).


If General Shinseki's "old army" way of thinking had prevailed, we would still be planning force structure and organizing resources too meet a Soviet invasion (:roll: Wrong as usual. Shinseki was right about what the job required, Rummy was wrong. The military needs more Shinsekis and fewer Rummys).

in the Fulda Gap. Whatever failures we may have experienced in Iraq have been political, not military.

I don't like the current world situation, but at least GW tried to be proactive. He was way over his head politically, and in many aspects, he failed. BUT hating on old George without even acknowledging the grave threats to OUR liberty and prosperity and offering alternative solutions is grossly irresponsible.

Yeah, he proactively went after the wrong people to the tune of 100,000+ dead in Iraq, he proactively let Osama bin Laden get away at Tora Bora and then proactively stated on national freaking TV that he "didn't think about him much". Sorry, amigo, dubya's eight years of miserable failure as President earned him every bit of hate directed his way. "Grossly irresponsible" my ass. Even a pompous blowhard like yourself knows that the Bush administration seized an opportunity to do something they had wanted to do from before they were elected, and that they completely ignored the rest of the planet's advice, bleating about "old Europe" and "go it alone". Oh, yeah, the whole thing was going to be paid for by the Iraqi oil that has yet to be pumped six years later. What a half-wit.

[BlueHen86]

Maybe not a home run, but for sure a base hit.

Plenty of Iraqis mustered the courage to oppose Saddam. (At the urging of GHW Bush, who then withheld support and watched saddam Butcher those who were stupid enough to listen.)


Like my ex-pat neighbor's brothers, and thousands of "Marsh Arabs," Shias and Kurds, they didn't survive the experience. But you MUST give them credit for trying, just as you MUST give credit to the millions of Iraqis who were bold enough to stick their finger in a bottle of indelible ink and vote.

Rumsfeld turned out to be a poor wartime SecDef. However, even though the military may be weaker because of resources gobbled up by the war, it is not because of his transformational initiatives!

Our military today have by far the finest and most capable special forces in the history of the world, and the most combat efficient. (:roll: And they can't catch Osama eight years later. Special Forces are just a tool for tactical work, and one 15 cent bullet kills them just as dead as anybody else. You need to focus on the bigger strategic picture).


If General Shinseki's "old army" way of thinking had prevailed, we would still be planning force structure and organizing resources too meet a Soviet invasion (:roll: Wrong as usual. Shinseki was right about what the job required, Rummy was wrong. The military needs more Shinsekis and fewer Rummys).

in the Fulda Gap. Whatever failures we may have experienced in Iraq have been political, not military.

I don't like the current world situation, but at least GW tried to be proactive. He was way over his head politically, and in many aspects, he failed. BUT hating on old George without even acknowledging the grave threats to OUR liberty and prosperity and offering alternative solutions is grossly irresponsible.

Yeah, he proactively went after the wrong people to the tune of 100,000+ dead in Iraq, he proactively let Osama bin Laden get away at Tora Bora and then proactively stated on national freaking TV that he "didn't think about him much". Sorry, amigo, dubya's eight years of miserable failure as President earned him every bit of hate directed his way. "Grossly irresponsible" my ass. Even a pompous blowhard like yourself knows that the Bush administration seized an opportunity to do something they had wanted to do from before they were elected, and that they completely ignored the rest of the planet's advice, bleating about "old Europe" and "go it alone". Oh, yeah, the whole thing was going to be paid for by the Iraqi oil that has yet to be pumped six years later. What a half-wit.

Very nice houndawg.

[Cap'n Cat]

The black hole known as Janeane Garofalo's "intellect"...

Dude, she's waaaaaay sharper then you. Jealous?

[native]

The black hole known as Janeane Garofalo's "intellect"...

Dude, she's waaaaaay sharper then you. Jealous?

Not sure about the intellect, but I'm jealous of the glasses... Catwoman!

[Cap'n Cat]

Thats right Bill Clinton was offered him twice.

Again - another LIE told by the Republicans. Clinton TRIED to get him. Congressional Republicans, and your hero Rush derided/derailed those attempts, claiming he was only trying to distract attention from a blowjob.


Newt Gingrich, et al have harmed this country far more than Saddam ever dreamed.

Mega-reppenheimers, Jon.

[BlueHen86]

Dude, she's waaaaaay sharper then you. Jealous?

Not sure about the intellect, but I'm jealous of the glasses... Catwoman!

We're sure about the intellect...

[Cap'n Cat]

Yeah, he proactively went after the wrong people to the tune of 100,000+ dead in Iraq, he proactively let Osama bin Laden get away at Tora Bora and then proactively stated on national freaking TV that he "didn't think about him much". Sorry, amigo, dubya's eight years of miserable failure as President earned him every bit of hate directed his way. "Grossly irresponsible" my ass. Even a pompous blowhard like yourself knows that the Bush administration seized an opportunity to do something they had wanted to do from before they were elected, and that they completely ignored the rest of the planet's advice, bleating about "old Europe" and "go it alone". Oh, yeah, the whole thing was going to be paid for by the Iraqi oil that has yet to be pumped six years later. What a half-wit.

Reppies, DawgBreath. Don't blow a gasket over this guy, though. Lots of Conks are having trouble comprehending this. Look at Z.

[houndawg]

Yeah, he proactively went after the wrong people to the tune of 100,000+ dead in Iraq, he proactively let Osama bin Laden get away at Tora Bora and then proactively stated on national freaking TV that he "didn't think about him much". Sorry, amigo, dubya's eight years of miserable failure as President earned him every bit of hate directed his way. "Grossly irresponsible" my ass. Even a pompous blowhard like yourself knows that the Bush administration seized an opportunity to do something they had wanted to do from before they were elected, and that they completely ignored the rest of the planet's advice, bleating about "old Europe" and "go it alone". Oh, yeah, the whole thing was going to be paid for by the Iraqi oil that has yet to be pumped six years later. What a half-wit.

Reppies, DawgBreath. Don't blow a gasket over this guy, though. Lots of Conks are having trouble comprehending this. Look at Z.

Z's just playing dumb. This guy believes his own bullshit.

[BlueHen86]

Reppies, DawgBreath. Don't blow a gasket over this guy, though. Lots of Conks are having trouble comprehending this. Look at Z.

Z's just playing dumb. This guy believes his own bullshit.

The only reason he's not an empty suit is because he is full of hot air.

[Appaholic]

I can agree with the bolded statement.....however, I feel Bush and his policies placed our country in more danger than Saddam could ever if for no other reason than proximity....our military is weaker due to his blind support of Rumsfeld....spending billions on an unnecessary war certainly hasn't benefitted this country's financial health (not all his fault, but his policies did little to strengthen us)....seriously, what did Saddam ever do that was that dangerous? to American citizens I mean, not Iraqis?....I don't give two shits about Iraqis who couldn't ever muster the initiative to overthrow their own tyrant....

Points all well taken, but debatable, not a slam dunk.

I can agree with that and am glad to see you can debate without referring to me as a dumb hillbilly a la WhiteNoise67....

[Ibanez]

The clueless Obama Administration.

Keep watching...it's only gonna get worse.

Dude, the sour grapes schtick is getting old.

[native]

Points all well taken, but debatable, not a slam dunk.

I can agree with that and am glad to see you can debate without referring to me as a dumb hillbilly a la WhiteNoise67....

Thanks. The name calling gets tiresome, Appy.

P.S. I've got a guitar to complement that thar banjo, neighbor!

[native]

The clueless Obama Administration.

Keep watching...it's only gonna get worse.

Dude, the sour grapes schtick is getting old.

Dude, worrying about the future is not sour grapes!

[houndawg]

I can agree with that and am glad to see you can debate without referring to me as a dumb hillbilly a la WhiteNoise67....

Thanks. The name calling gets tiresome, Appy.

P.S. I've got a guitar to complement that thar banjo, neighbor!

Dude! The name calling is half the fun. What kind of geetar you got?