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Ibanez wrote:
CID1990 wrote:I don't understand why the questions have to be worded that way. They force you into assumptions, which is a bad idea outside of theoretical physics.
How are your children taught? Is it a local school or a US sponsored school?
My oldest daughter is in kinder at the American International School of San Sal. It is on the IB (International Baccalaureate) program. She will also be under the IB program at the American School of Lagos (one of the best American schools in the world, behind one in Saigon and the other in Cairo)

She will likely move back and forth between the IB program and the British one over the next few years.

Neither of these programs subscribe to the absolute horsecrap that is being sold as education in the US these days.

There are some drawback to living abroad, but access to international schools isnt one of them.
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Re: Common Core

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Cluck U wrote:
JoltinJoe wrote:
A lot of controversy.

First, many parents do not like that the Common Core standards are geared to provide "answers" to standardized testing. They believe (and not incorrectly) that there is a difference between "test preparation" and real learning, and that the whole educational process has been transformed into test preparation.

Second, many parents do not like that the Common Core standards have become the entirety of public school curricula throughout the states. They believe Common Core should be one aspect of a more rounded curriculum.

Third, many parents are upset that the Common Core standards are uniform to an extreme, so that they do not allow teachers to deviate for the benefit of any one of their students. (Although the guidance counselor at our middle school told me, somewhat confidentially, that they do not intend to place weight on the standardized test scores in assessing a student's eligibility for advanced placement classes, which would really violate Common Core policy. They will assess eligibility by their own observations of a student's preparedness for advanced classes).

Fourth, the math common core standard methods are ridiculous. When I learned math, we were taught to define and express our answer in the most precise and efficient terms. Common core demands, however, that a student's answer demonstrates their mental process in reaching an answer; therefore, the "correct" answer is the only answer which shows they understand the underlying concepts.

This requires longer and more inefficient expressions of an answer. By way of an example, my third grader essentially had a word problem which asked him (in a roundabout way) to determine the product of "9" and "7." So he wrote his answer as "9x7=63"). He was marked wrong. :? The correct answer: "9+9+9+9+9+9+9=63," because his answer needed to show that he understood that the product of 9x7 represents the sum of adding "9" seven times. :rofl:

Now, in my day, the teacher would have told you that your answer was needlessly complex, and the correct answer was more efficiently represented by the expression "9x7=63." But Common Core fears you might have guessed at this answer -- you MUST show mastery of the concepts in your answer, or it is deemed wrong, even if you are right. In my day, a teacher would have accepted that the answer "9x7=63" most likely shows understanding of the concepts and, if the student guessed, well, that's the way the world works some times!

Parents fear, thus, there is a disconnect between Common Core standards and real world standards. If you were in a job which required, among other things, expression of a mathematical equations, your boss would fire you for expressing "9x7" as "9+9+9+9+9+9+9."

Fifth, the language arts questions are often vague, or unclear, or include incorrect information. A recent reading assignment for my third grader stated that Neil Armstrong flew on Apollo 13, and another said that "John" Monroe was the fifth president of the United States.

So, in my estimation, that's the CC controversy in a nutshell.
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We have found our core common ground. :mrgreen:

Common Core is a disaster...and you can bet some folks with connections to Congress are making BIG money from this crap that was shoved down everyone's throats. If you want to teach to the lowest common denominator, Common Core is the way to go.

I've seen more errors on the homework questions...it is embarrassing. Who wrote that stuff? :suspicious:

Luckily, the teachers in my son's school are providing other options. My son's math teacher told the kids he had to hand out the recommended book, but don't bother using it. :lol:

The good thing is that some states are fighting back. Hopefully, Common Core will be disassembled in the near future.
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Talking about fighting back, John King, New York's Education Commissioner, has got his nose totally up the Common Core butt. Some speculate he's looking for a "promotion" to emperor land in DC's federal Department of Education. So he's been out there, advocating for Common Core, and saying NY's teachers are totally behind Common Core.

The very next day, NY's teachers' unions took a "no confidence" vote on King and called for his resignation. :lol:
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America’s educational failings
By Fareed Zakaria

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ ... story.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
And things show no signs of improving. The bipartisan backlash against the Common Core — a set of national standards agreed to by governors — is a tragic example. Parents raised on a culture of low standards and high self-esteem are outraged that the tests show that many American schools are not teaching their children enough. (The tests must be at fault because they know that their kids are brilliant!) Some liberals and teacher groups are upset with the emphasis on testing (though Randi Weingarten, the head of the American Federation of Teachers, has endorsed the Common Core). And Republicans now oppose it — despite having championed it only a few years ago — largely because the Obama administration also backs the project.
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SC Senate approves replacing Common Core
The Senate on Thursday unanimously approved a bill that replaces Common Core education standards with those developed in South Carolina by the 2015-16 school year.

The bill, which passed 42-0, is a compromise of legislation that initially sought to repeal the math and reading standards that have been rolled out in classrooms statewide since their adoption by two state boards in 2010. Testing aligned to those standards must start next year, using new tests that assess college and career readiness, or the state will lose its waiver from the all-or-nothing provisions of the federal No Child Left Behind law.

But the state won't be able to use tests South Carolina officials helped create with 21 other states. A bid must go out by September for their replacement.

Republicans praised the compromise as taking back control of what's taught in classrooms.

"We're back on track," said Sen. Mike Fair, R-Greenville.

Democrats say the bill forces the Legislature to spend money on technology in classrooms, since high-stakes tests must be taken completely by computer by 2017. That was key to winning over rural legislators, said Sen. Brad Hutto, D-Orangeburg.

Read more here: http://www.thestate.com/2014/05/01/3421 ... rylink=cpy" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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UNI88 wrote:America’s educational failings
By Fareed Zakaria

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ ... story.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
And things show no signs of improving. The bipartisan backlash against the Common Core — a set of national standards agreed to by governors — is a tragic example. Parents raised on a culture of low standards and high self-esteem are outraged that the tests show that many American schools are not teaching their children enough. (The tests must be at fault because they know that their kids are brilliant!) Some liberals and teacher groups are upset with the emphasis on testing (though Randi Weingarten, the head of the American Federation of Teachers, has endorsed the Common Core). And Republicans now oppose it — despite having championed it only a few years ago — largely because the Obama administration also backs the project.
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Fareed Zakaria should stick to what he knows...which is nothing. How does he continue to write when he says nothing of substance?

What a worthless article. Seriously.

He mentions inequality in education, gives absolutely no solution, but manages, at the end, to sneak in an attack on the Republicans being against Common Core because of Obama.

Does he provide anything, anything at all, that says Common Core is good for education? Cripes, does he even know anything about Common Core (probably not, since he alluded to the idea that education should be about problem solving rather than rote memorization).

Nope. His sole purpose for writing that article was to say that the Republicans changed their minds about Common Core because Obama supports it. :rofl:

Dude also tried to get a stab in about people being against immigration (without noting what kinds of immigrants each country is attracting).

Fareed is an azzhat. :nod:
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Cluck U wrote: Fareed is an azzhat. :nod:
Fareed was Harvard's commencement speaker in 2012. :rofl:

Oprah had that honor in 2013. :tothehand:

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UNI88 wrote:America’s educational failings
By Fareed Zakaria

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ ... story.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
And things show no signs of improving. The bipartisan backlash against the Common Core — a set of national standards agreed to by governors — is a tragic example. Parents raised on a culture of low standards and high self-esteem are outraged that the tests show that many American schools are not teaching their children enough. (The tests must be at fault because they know that their kids are brilliant!) Some liberals and teacher groups are upset with the emphasis on testing (though Randi Weingarten, the head of the American Federation of Teachers, has endorsed the Common Core). And Republicans now oppose it — despite having championed it only a few years ago — largely because the Obama administration also backs the project.
What a load of manure. Fareed should sit down and look at the Common Core homework assignments before he speaks.

Every night, I find at least one glaring factual or grammatical error in the Common Core English Language assignment. For example, from last night's Common Core homework assignment for my third grader: "John decided that after gardening, HIM and his grandmother should go out to the lake and have a picnic."

Yup, our kids are learning solid English language skills!

And the math questions are often insipid (see above).

I have nothing against standards. I have a problem with some bureaucrat teaching my kids crap. I am FOR uniform standards and a common core curriculum, so long as it is not the entire curriculum. Teachers and school districts should have some discretion, IMO, in what constitutes the curriculum.
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On one side, Secretary of Education Arne Duncan has warned that the future of the nation depends on these standards. Billionaire philanthropist Bill Gates has spent hundreds of millions of dollars to pay for writing them, evaluating them, and promoting them, and even handed out millions more to education organizations (including the teachers' unions) to advocate for them.

On the other side are grassroots groups of parents, teachers, and principals who say the standards were written in stealth, imposed by the lure of federal billions, and implemented too rapidly. All testing must be done online, so the standards are a bonanza for the testing industry, the hardware industry, and the software industry.

But the mass media mostly ignored the controversy until a comedian named Louis C.K. tweeted that his daughter used to love math, and now she hates it. Not only does Louis have two daughters in a New York public school, he has 3.3 million followers on Twitter. Suddenly the world woke up, and Louis' tweets were reported in Salon, Politico, and dozens of daily papers and websites.

No one listened when parents complained: Arne Duncan called them "white suburban moms" who were disappointed to discover that their child wasn't so bright after all. No one listened when teachers and principals complained that the new federal tests were confusing and had multiple right answers. No one cared when Pearson, the giant test publisher, put a gag order on teachers forbidding them from revealing the contents of the tests. No one cared that teachers couldn't help their students when they weren't allowed to discuss what they got wrong on the tests.
Arne Duncan is a douche and common core appears to simply be another form of crony capitalism. :ohno:

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Common Core reference here:

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Cluck U wrote:
UNI88 wrote:America’s educational failings
By Fareed Zakaria

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ ... story.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
:dunce:

Fareed Zakaria should stick to what he knows...which is nothing. How does he continue to write when he says nothing of substance?

What a worthless article. Seriously.

He mentions inequality in education, gives absolutely no solution, but manages, at the end, to sneak in an attack on the Republicans being against Common Core because of Obama.

Does he provide anything, anything at all, that says Common Core is good for education? Cripes, does he even know anything about Common Core (probably not, since he alluded to the idea that education should be about problem solving rather than rote memorization).

Nope. His sole purpose for writing that article was to say that the Republicans changed their minds about Common Core because Obama supports it. :rofl:

Dude also tried to get a stab in about people being against immigration (without noting what kinds of immigrants each country is attracting).

Fareed is an azzhat. :nod:

Well at least he wrote it himself without plagiarizing it
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CAA Flagship wrote:Common Core reference here:

http://news.yahoo.com/no-gains-12th-gra ... nance.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Student participants' responses to a survey about their educational experiences offered some clues about their performance.

Among the findings:

—Students who reported rarely or never discussing reading interpretations in class averaged lower scores than those who had such discussions daily or almost daily."
:shock: REALLY? Maybe someone should do a study on that.

—"An overwhelming majority reported that reading was enjoyable. Students who strongly disagreed with that idea had scores much lower than those who strongly agreed." :shock: REALLY? I'd never have guessed that to be true.

"—Math scores were higher, on average, for students who took calculus and lowest for students who had not taken a math course beyond Algebra I." :shock: REALLY? That just doesn't make sense.

"—Math scores were higher for students who reported math was their favorite subject, believed it would help them in the future or thought their class was engaging." :shock: REALLY? Who would have thought?


Holy crap...someone was most likely paid to produce that survey..at taxpayer expense. :dunce:

Here's another question they should add: If someone gave you a million dollars, would you have more money than before they gave you the million dollars?

Tear down the system and please put some smarter people in charge.
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WATCH: George Will Demolishes Arguments for Common Core in Under Two Minutes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmgadgKNz0I
Conservative pundit George Will delivered a fierce attack on Common Core last night, characterizing the educational standards as a way for progressives to further promote their political views.

“This is a thin end of an enormous wedge of federal power that will be wielded for the constant progressive purpose of concentrating power in Washington so that it can impose continental solutions to problems nationwide,” Will said on Fox News’ “Special Report.”

He also warned Americans that the federal standards posed a significant threat to local autonomy.
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Show your work! :bad:

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Show your work! :bad:

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21/3 the Common Core way

21/3
= 21 * (1/3)
= 21 * (3/10 + 3/100 + 3/1000 + …)
= 21*(3/10 + 3/100) +21*(3/1000 +3/10000 +…)
=21*(3/10 + 3/100) + O(n)
=21*(3/10 + 3/100)
=63/10 + 63/100
=6.3+0.63
=6+(0.3+0.6)+0.03
=6+0.9+0.03
=6.93
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Pwns wrote:21/3 the Common Core way

21/3
= 21 * (1/3)
= 21 * (3/10 + 3/100 + 3/1000 + …)
= 21*(3/10 + 3/100) +21*(3/1000 +3/10000 +…)
=21*(3/10 + 3/100) + O(n)
=21*(3/10 + 3/100)
=63/10 + 63/100
=6.3+0.63
=6+(0.3+0.6)+0.03
=6+0.9+0.03
=6.93
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Pwns wrote:21/3 the Common Core way

21/3
= 21 * (1/3)
= 21 * (3/10 + 3/100 + 3/1000 + …)
= 21*(3/10 + 3/100) +21*(3/1000 +3/10000 +…)
=21*(3/10 + 3/100) + O(n)
=21*(3/10 + 3/100)
=63/10 + 63/100
=6.3+0.63
=6+(0.3+0.6)+0.03
=6+0.9+0.03
=6.93
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Pwns wrote:21/3 the Common Core way

21/3
= 21 * (1/3)
= 21 * (3/10 + 3/100 + 3/1000 + …)
= 21*(3/10 + 3/100) +21*(3/1000 +3/10000 +…)
=21*(3/10 + 3/100) + O(n)
=21*(3/10 + 3/100)
=63/10 + 63/100
=6.3+0.63
=6+(0.3+0.6)+0.03
=6+0.9+0.03
=6.93

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Pwns wrote:21/3 the Common Core way

21/3
= 21 * (1/3)
= 21 * (3/10 + 3/100 + 3/1000 + …)
= 21*(3/10 + 3/100) +21*(3/1000 +3/10000 +…)
=21*(3/10 + 3/100) + O(n)
=21*(3/10 + 3/100)
=63/10 + 63/100
=6.3+0.63
=6+(0.3+0.6)+0.03
=6+0.9+0.03
=6.93
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Pwns wrote:21/3 the Common Core way

21/3
= 21 * (1/3)
= 21 * (3/10 + 3/100 + 3/1000 + …)
= 21*(3/10 + 3/100) +21*(3/1000 +3/10000 +…)
=21*(3/10 + 3/100) + O(n)
=21*(3/10 + 3/100)
=63/10 + 63/100
=6.3+0.63
=6+(0.3+0.6)+0.03
=6+0.9+0.03
=6.93
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Pwns wrote:21/3 the Common Core way

21/3
= 21 * (1/3)
= 21 * (3/10 + 3/100 + 3/1000 + …)
= 21*(3/10 + 3/100) +21*(3/1000 +3/10000 +…)
=21*(3/10 + 3/100) + O(n)
=21*(3/10 + 3/100)
=63/10 + 63/100
=6.3+0.63
=6+(0.3+0.6)+0.03
=6+0.9+0.03
=6.93
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Side note, but is this famous Egyptian painting inappropriate for elementary children?

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FWIW, I didn't think so, but I asked four teachers and they all thought it was. I guess if you had an elementary child, is the above painting something you wouldn't want them to see? And why?
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∞∞∞ wrote:Side note, but is this famous Egyptian painting inappropriate for elementary children?

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FWIW, I didn't think so, but I asked four teachers and they all thought it was. I guess if you had an elementary child, is the above painting something you wouldn't want them to see? And why?
It is clearly racist. :nod:

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