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Cap'n Cat wrote:T's as desperate as Limbaugh in looking for issues about Obama. You heard that azzhole, lately? Never heard so many reaches in my life!

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I used to be able to listen to him for pure comedic value, but I can't stand to listen to him nor Hannity anymore....personify what is wrong with this country...no-middle-ground-in-your-face-one-upmanship-to-the detriment-of-all...and the dems have them as well...it's what sells nowadays... :cry:
They are very good a pointing out dem hypocricy. As far as how they say things should be and why, I don't pay a bit of attention to them.
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Appaholic wrote:
I used to be able to listen to him for pure comedic value, but I can't stand to listen to him nor Hannity anymore....personify what is wrong with this country...no-middle-ground-in-your-face-one-upmanship-to-the detriment-of-all...and the dems have them as well...it's what sells nowadays... :cry:
They are very good a pointing out dem hypocricy. As far as how they say things should be and why, I don't pay a bit of attention to them.
Yeah, just such a shame....if only they had been that sharp pinpointing hypocrisy 101 days ago (as well as the previous 7 years, 364 days)....... :roll:
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bobbythekidd wrote:
Col Hogan wrote:The President does not keep track of the plane...or the helicopters the Jar Heads fly for him (Marine One when the President is on board)
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Touche good Col. Excellent post.
At first, I too thought the "Air Force One" episode was a canard, and was frankly a bit embarrassed because I assumed my beloved DoD had created the fisaco.

I was wrong. We were were wrong. The plane and the helicopters, as well as communications and other support functions, are run out of "White House Military Office" (WHMO) which is organized as part of the "Executive Office of the President" and led by a "Director" who serves as principal advisor to the White House for all military support.

In previous administrations the director's position was non-partisan, filled by a professional military officer. For example, GW's WHMO Director was Rear Admiral Raymond A. Spicer.

However, President Obama and Chief of Staff Rahm Emmanuel politicized the WMHO Director position by appointing Louis Caldera, a Democrat political hack.

So, at least in part, responsibility for the flyover fiasco belongs squarely on the President and Chief of Staff's shoulders, for politicizing a non-partisan support office, protestations of "outrage" notwithstanding.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Hous ... ary_Office
http://www.whitehouse.gov/administratio ... o/history/
http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/whmo/
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bobbythekidd wrote: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Touche good Col. Excellent post.
At first, I too thought the "Air Force One" episode was a canard, and was frankly a bit embarrassed because I assumed my beloved DoD had created the fisaco.

I was wrong. We were were wrong. The plane and the helicopters, as well as communications and other support functions, are run out of "White House Military Office" (WHMO) which is organized as part of the "Executive Office of the President" and led by a "Director" who serves as principal advisor to the White House for all military support.

In previous administrations the director's position was non-partisan, filled by a professional military officer. For example, GW's WHMO Director was Rear Admiral Raymond A. Spicer.

However, President Obama and Chief of Staff Rahm Emmanuel politicized the WMHO Director position by appointing Louis Caldera, a Democrat political hack.

So, at least in part, responsibility for the flyover fiasco belongs squarely on the President and Chief of Staff's shoulders, for politicizing a non-partisan support office, protestations of "outrage" notwithstanding.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Hous ... ary_Office
http://www.whitehouse.gov/administratio ... o/history/
http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/whmo/
Sure...I think we can all agree that it was a hair-brained fok up by a politico which, regardless of party affiliation, all should revel in......I'm just not willing to judge his 1st 100 days in office based upon this event anymore than I based W's presidency on his "NY flyover" mishap on 9/11...
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native wrote:
At first, I too thought the "Air Force One" episode was a canard, and was frankly a bit embarrassed because I assumed my beloved DoD had created the fisaco.

I was wrong. We were were wrong. The plane and the helicopters, as well as communications and other support functions, are run out of "White House Military Office" (WHMO) which is organized as part of the "Executive Office of the President" and led by a "Director" who serves as principal advisor to the White House for all military support.

In previous administrations the director's position was non-partisan, filled by a professional military officer. For example, GW's WHMO Director was Rear Admiral Raymond A. Spicer.

However, President Obama and Chief of Staff Rahm Emmanuel politicized the WMHO Director position by appointing Louis Caldera, a Democrat political hack.

So, at least in part, responsibility for the flyover fiasco belongs squarely on the President and Chief of Staff's shoulders, for politicizing a non-partisan support office, protestations of "outrage" notwithstanding.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Hous ... ary_Office
http://www.whitehouse.gov/administratio ... o/history/
http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/whmo/
Sure...I think we can all agree that it was a hair-brained fok up by a politico which, regardless of party affiliation, all should revel in......I'm just not willing to judge his 1st 100 days in office based upon this event anymore than I based W's presidency on his "NY flyover" mishap on 9/11...
Or his New Orleans fly-over during Katrina. :lol:

Republican need to shut up and disappear for a few years until they have something with a little more substance. The bleating we're hearing makes them look like the Black Knight in the Monty Python skit.
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I compare everything to the President Bartlett administration.

So far, he's ok.
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TwinTownBisonFan wrote:as nice as it is to control the white house, and to have someone who believes in thinking before he speaks, and someone whose answer on foreign policy questions is more grown up that a 15 year old hormonal boy... the best part of the whole damn thing might be watching the right blow up and turn in to frothing at the mouth hysterical loonies about it all.

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You mean like the frothing at the mouth hysterical loonies we saw from the left for the past 8 years? :lol: :lol: :lol: :roll:
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AZGrizFan wrote:
TwinTownBisonFan wrote:as nice as it is to control the white house, and to have someone who believes in thinking before he speaks, and someone whose answer on foreign policy questions is more grown up that a 15 year old hormonal boy... the best part of the whole damn thing might be watching the right blow up and turn in to frothing at the mouth hysterical loonies about it all.

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You mean like the frothing at the mouth hysterical loonies we saw from the left for the past 8 years? :lol: :lol: :lol: :roll:
one HHHHUUUGEE DIFFERENCE

not one single Dem elected official mentioned "secession" not one Dem. Congressman ever said "it think we need a revolution" and "i want people armed and dangerous"

the big difference here... the so called "party of personal responsibility" has spent the last 6 months crying and bitching and blaming everyone but themselves for losing everything in 4 short years... kinda ironic... kinda funny that they feel entitled to power... kinda pathetic that when voters flat rejected their party that they want to make it everyone's fault but their own...

for as angry and foaming at the mouth as the left was, they were still the loyal opposition... I don't know that you can realistically say the same about some segments of the GOP... they seem to think that extra-political means are legitimate...
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TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
You mean like the frothing at the mouth hysterical loonies we saw from the left for the past 8 years? :lol: :lol: :lol: :roll:
one HHHHUUUGEE DIFFERENCE

not one single Dem elected official mentioned "secession" not one Dem. Congressman ever said "it think we need a revolution" and "i want people armed and dangerous"

the big difference here... the so called "party of personal responsibility" has spent the last 6 months crying and bitching and blaming everyone but themselves for losing everything in 4 short years... kinda ironic... kinda funny that they feel entitled to power... kinda pathetic that when voters flat rejected their party that they want to make it everyone's fault but their own...

for as angry and foaming at the mouth as the left was, they were still the loyal opposition... I don't know that you can realistically say the same about some segments of the GOP... they seem to think that extra-political means are legitimate...
Good points except the "loyal opposition" B.S.
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native wrote:
TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
one HHHHUUUGEE DIFFERENCE

not one single Dem elected official mentioned "secession" not one Dem. Congressman ever said "it think we need a revolution" and "i want people armed and dangerous"

the big difference here... the so called "party of personal responsibility" has spent the last 6 months crying and bitching and blaming everyone but themselves for losing everything in 4 short years... kinda ironic... kinda funny that they feel entitled to power... kinda pathetic that when voters flat rejected their party that they want to make it everyone's fault but their own...

for as angry and foaming at the mouth as the left was, they were still the loyal opposition... I don't know that you can realistically say the same about some segments of the GOP... they seem to think that extra-political means are legitimate...
Good points except the "loyal opposition" B.S.
did a governor of any state during bush call for secession? no. the dems opposed Bush but they never bandied about notions of treason the way those on the right have.
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Good points except the "loyal opposition" B.S.
did a governor of any state during bush call for secession? no. the dems opposed Bush but they never bandied about notions of treason the way those on the right have.
The Dem attacks on the Constitution in my lifetime are far more treasonous than all the Repub rhetoric and blunders in the entire history of the GOP.
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did a governor of any state during bush call for secession? no. the dems opposed Bush but they never bandied about notions of treason the way those on the right have.
The Dem attacks on the Constitution in my lifetime are far more treasonous than all the Repub rhetoric and blunders in the entire history of the GOP.
Please ID the Dangerous Dem attacks on the Constitution
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dbackjon wrote:
native wrote:
The Dem attacks on the Constitution in my lifetime are far more treasonous than all the Repub rhetoric and blunders in the entire history of the GOP.
Please ID the Dangerous Dem attacks on the Constitution
Article II and the 2nd Amendment, for a start.
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native wrote:
dbackjon wrote:
Please ID the Dangerous Dem attacks on the Constitution
Article II and the 2nd Amendment, for a start.
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native wrote:
dbackjon wrote:
Please ID the Dangerous Dem attacks on the Constitution
Article II and the 2nd Amendment, for a start.
OK - What about Article II? Bush and his Republican cronies did far more damage there.

And the 2nd Amendment is alive and well. Never threatened.
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dbackjon wrote:
native wrote:
Article II and the 2nd Amendment, for a start.
OK - What about Article II? Bush and his Republican cronies did far more damage there.

And the 2nd Amendment is alive and well. Never threatened.
Excuse me, please. I am counting to ten.
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native wrote:
dbackjon wrote:
OK - What about Article II? Bush and his Republican cronies did far more damage there.

And the 2nd Amendment is alive and well. Never threatened.
Excuse me, please. I am counting to ten.
I know how you feel bro.

Ain't it funny the way these peckerwoods bleat about treason whenever the 2nd ammendment is mentioned, but when the 4th ammendment is eviscerated it's all about, "We'll, what do you have to hide?"
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AZGrizFan wrote:
TwinTownBisonFan wrote:as nice as it is to control the white house, and to have someone who believes in thinking before he speaks, and someone whose answer on foreign policy questions is more grown up that a 15 year old hormonal boy... the best part of the whole damn thing might be watching the right blow up and turn in to frothing at the mouth hysterical loonies about it all.

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You mean like the frothing at the mouth hysterical loonies we saw from the left for the past 8 years? :lol: :lol: :lol: :roll:
:lol: Much funnier than that.
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dbackjon wrote:
native wrote:
Article II and the 2nd Amendment, for a start.
OK - What about Article II? Bush and his Republican cronies did far more damage there.

And the 2nd Amendment is alive and well. Never threatened.
Please elaborate on Bush's alleged damage to Article II.

The Second Amendment is under constant assault by Democrats. Examples:

1. Janet Reno's assault on the Koresh compound in Waco. Koresh was an @$$hole and a nut, but he and his followers did not deserve to be cremated by the United States government.

2. Ray Nagin's confiscation of weapons from law abiding citizens in post-Katrina New Orleans.
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native wrote:
dbackjon wrote:
OK - What about Article II? Bush and his Republican cronies did far more damage there.

And the 2nd Amendment is alive and well. Never threatened.
Please elaborate on Bush's alleged damage to Article II.

The Second Amendment is under constant assault by Democrats. Examples:

1. Janet Reno's assault on the Koresh compound in Waco. Koresh was an @$$hole and a nut, but he and his followers did not deserve to be cremated by the United States government.

2. Ray Nagin's confiscation of weapons from law abiding citizens in post-Katrina New Orleans.
you first, since you brought it up first.

neither of those instances, while tragic, show an assault on the second amendment.
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dbackjon wrote:
native wrote:
Please elaborate on Bush's alleged damage to Article II.

The Second Amendment is under constant assault by Democrats. Examples:

1. Janet Reno's assault on the Koresh compound in Waco. Koresh was an @$$hole and a nut, but he and his followers did not deserve to be cremated by the United States government.

2. Ray Nagin's confiscation of weapons from law abiding citizens in post-Katrina New Orleans.
you first, since you brought it up first.

neither of those instances, while tragic, show an assault on the second amendment.
I did not bring up Bush's alleged attack on Article II. YOU did. Now pony up.

My Article II reference is to Obama's failure to show his original birth certificate to document that he is a "natural born citizen" as required by Article II of the Constitution. The unsigned "report of live birth" touted by the Daily KOS as "proof" is an obfuscation. Before you pile on with all the hysteria about conspiracy theories and the fact that we've got better things to do, I probably agree with 95% of your criticism. BUT other politicians routinely provide their birth certificates and it would be trivial for Obama to do so. He should just do it!

Both cited assaults on the Second Amendment illustrate not just academic, "slippery slope" arguments of which many are valid, but real life denial of Second Amendment rights to law abiding citizens.

What is this, 1984? How can you say that the confiscation of weapons from law abiding citizens in New Orleans was not an assault on citizens' Second Amendment rights? What could possibly be more clear or unequivocal?
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If you are bring up the birth certificate "concacted brouhaha" then you are a loony tune. Sorry, no two ways around that.

His Birth Certificate was provided by Hawaii...


What Nagin did was not a part of the federal government, nor a part of any coordinated attack on the 2nd amendment - just a local fruitcake overstepping his bounds.

And Waco again was not about the 2nd Amendment. To tie it as such is ludicris.

His abuse of Clause 3 (recess appointments) for one.

His wanton abuse of signing statements would fit here as well.
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dbackjon wrote:If you are bring up the birth certificate "concacted brouhaha" then you are a loony tune. Sorry, no two ways around that.

His Birth Certificate was provided by Hawaii...

What Nagin did was not a part of the federal government, nor a part of any coordinated attack on the 2nd amendment - just a local fruitcake overstepping his bounds.

And Waco again was not about the 2nd Amendment. To tie it as such is ludicris.

His abuse of Clause 3 (recess appointments) for one.

His wanton abuse of signing statements would fit here as well.
I understand your skepticism, but Obama's birth certificate was not provided by Hawaii. An unsigned copy of a "report of live birth" was provided. It is not the same thing legally or morally. Make fun of me if you wish, but lease do not regurgitate falsehoods from the Daily KOS.

Your point about recess appointments is well taken. Many Presidents, including both George Bush and Bill Clinton, made controversial recess appointments. In most cases, these were not assaults on the Constitution because they could be and sometimes has been reversed by the Senate when it returned to session.

The single recess appointment of which I am aware which DID constitute an attack on the Constitution was Clinton's irrevocable recess appointment of a Federal Appeals Court judgeship, with its life tenure.

Not sure about the "signing statements." Could you please elaborate?

Waco does constitute an attack on the Second Amendment because firearms were the pretext for the conflagration. The fiasco and its relevance to the Second Amendment is compounded by Janet Reno's consistent public rhetorical assault on gun ownership.

Ray Nagin was not the only Democrat to assault the Second Amendment in New Orleans. Constitutional rights were egregiously compromised by Democrat politicians. Was he punished for it? Were the policemen punished? Were the innocent victims compensated? No, no and no.

Why avoid responsibility and accountability for assaults on the Second Amendment? It does not make your argument stronger.

I know you are very busy Jon, but please take time to read the actual post and do some homework.
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dbackjon wrote:...And Waco again was not about the 2nd Amendment. To tie it as such is ludicris...
Bullcrap. The local CPS had investigate Koresh's cult many, many times...yet had no evidence linking him to child abuse or polygamy.

It was the Koresh member's attendance at gun shows and purchase of semi-automatic firearms which alarmed the local law enforcement community. Don't forget, it was a gun dealer's assertion that one of the Cult's followers inquired about converting a semi-automatic weapon to full-auto which triggered BATF's involvement.

Reno, under Clinton's marching orders, attempted to "set an example" by targeting survivalist families (Ruby Ridge) and organizations (Koresh). What hasn't been asserted in the press was that the targets were selected based upon racial criteria. Specifically, in the wake of Robert Matthews "Order" cataclysm up in WA and Idaho, DOJ was on the hunt for supposed "white supremacist" organizations or icons, so Koresh and Weaver, being white and anti-government, became convenient targets.
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