US SOCCER

[93henfan]

Can't deny that this was an epic choke.

[Grizalltheway]

that's a retarded headline.

Portugal needed the win a lot more than we did.

Certainly not the worst tie in the history of soccer.

It really depends on the context, doesn't it?

Portugal already has secured its place as an international soccer power. The US is still trying to gain respect as a legitimate soccer nation. In that sense, the US needed the win more than Portugal. It was certainly the worst tie in US Soccer history.

It wasn't a win for Portugal, but it was a loss for the US. Giving up the tying goal in the last moments of a 95' game that was so important for the US is a choke. There's no sugar-coating it.

Portugal certainly have more respect on the international stage, but they also have a big goose egg for world and European titles, including a loss at home to fucking Greece in '04. Potentially leaving this tournament with a single point would be pretty disastrous for them.

[Grizalltheway]

You noticed what paper it was, right?

And I think the worst tie in recent history, at least, goes to Liverpool against Crystal Palace. 3 goals in the last 10 minutes to piss away a shot at their first PL title.

No kidding. I mean to shit awat the PL title that way...wow.







I have no idea what the PL title is or who the fuck Crystal Palace is. Sounds like a shitty casino in Reno. Meh.

You're not a very good Mexican.

[SDHornet]

No kidding. I mean to shit awat the PL title that way...wow.







I have no idea what the PL title is or who the fuck Crystal Palace is. Sounds like a shitty casino in Reno. Meh.

You're not a very good Mexican.

If I was a good Mexican I would be able to tell you all about the MX League and how the Xolos are the greatest thing ever.

[CitadelGrad]

Taylor Twellman just tweeted that added time was 4 minutes until Zusi walked slowly on his sub. The official then added another minute because he didn't run.

Fucking Zusi.

[SDHornet]

Taylor Twellman just tweeted that added time was 4 minutes until Zusi walked slowly on his sub. The official then added another minute because he didn't run.

Fucking Zusi.

BS. Bradley controls the mid field on that last ball and the game is over.

Zusi did suck it up on his corners though. Not sure why he got the start over (enter random US player on roster here).

[tribe_pride]

Taylor Twellman just tweeted that added time was 4 minutes until Zusi walked slowly on his sub. The official then added another minute because he didn't run.

**** Zusi.

BS. Bradley controls the mid field on that last ball and the game is over.

Zusi did suck it up on his corners though. Not sure why he got the start over (enter random US player on roster here).

Klinsmann has been good with his decisions so far so won't blame him for anything. That tie was on the players but I'd rather be in US' position than in either Portugal or Ghana. We control our own destiny.

Annoying thing about the added minute is that Ghana did the same thing against us in the extra time of overtime 4 years ago and they did not add extra time in the overtime halves.

[clenz]

Taylor Twellman just tweeted that added time was 4 minutes until Zusi walked slowly on his sub. The official then added another minute because he didn't run.

Fucking Zusi.

I could have swore I remember Darke saying that there was 5 minutes of stoppage on the broadcast.

[DSUrocks07]

Taylor Twellman just tweeted that added time was 4 minutes until Zusi walked slowly on his sub. The official then added another minute because he didn't run.

**** Zusi.

I could have swore I remember Darke saying that there was 5 minutes of stoppage on the broadcast.

I saw that the original pop up on the overlay was "+4" then it changed to "+5"

But like SD said, Bradley controls the ball in the midfield and the game is over.

[clenz]

I could have swore I remember Darke saying that there was 5 minutes of stoppage on the broadcast.

I saw that the original pop up on the overlay was "+4" then it changed to "+5"

But like SD said, Bradley controls the ball in the midfield and the game is over.

Can they change the stoppage time like that?

I agree completely with controlling the ball...


But can they change it like that?

[CAA Flagship]

that's a retarded headline.

Portugal needed the win a lot more than we did.

Certainly not the worst tie in the history of soccer.

It really depends on the context, doesn't it?

Portugal already has secured its place as an international soccer power. The US is still trying to gain respect as a legitimate soccer nation. In that sense, the US needed the win more than Portugal. It was certainly the worst tie in US Soccer history.

It wasn't a win for Portugal, but it was a loss for the US. Giving up the tying goal in the last moments of a 95' game that was so important for the US is a choke. There's no sugar-coating it.

Is it considered a 95' game? Or is it still a 90' game with time adjusted for "stoppage"? And if you want to call it a 95' game, shouldn't you consider the time that was added in the first half, or did the second half start at something like 48'?
Can someone that speaks without using their hands (see what I did there?) explain the correct way to describe the game?

[clenz]

It really depends on the context, doesn't it?

Portugal already has secured its place as an international soccer power. The US is still trying to gain respect as a legitimate soccer nation. In that sense, the US needed the win more than Portugal. It was certainly the worst tie in US Soccer history.

It wasn't a win for Portugal, but it was a loss for the US. Giving up the tying goal in the last moments of a 95' game that was so important for the US is a choke. There's no sugar-coating it.

Is it considered a 95' game? Or is it still a 90' game with time adjusted for "stoppage"? And if you want to call it a 95' game, shouldn't you consider the time that was added in the first half, or did the second half start at something like 48'?
Can someone that speaks without using their hands (see what I did there?) explain the correct way to describe the game?

It's a 90 minute game with stoppage added on....which is why goals scored in stoppage read 90+5 not 95. Just as a first half stoppage goal is 45+whatever minute it was.

The second half starts at 45:00

There was 2 minutes in the first half. So he'd have to call it a 97 minute game. Also the whistle didn't blow until about 47:38 in the first half and about 95:09 in the second. So it was really a 97:47 game

[clenz]

Apparently they can add stoppage time in stoppage time....though I have yet to see where it's an "official addition" such as what happened today.

[clenz]

Though there may be some protest from American fans over this...just as there has been in England over how stoppage time has been handled for certain teams

The Guardian, a British newspaper, studied 60 Manchester United home matches from 2006 to 2009 and found they got to play nearly a minute more when it was behind or tied than it did when it was ahead.

[GannonFan]

So confusing. If only Bradley didn't **** down his leg that last 30 seconds (and the rest of the game for that matter)...ugh.

+1

+2 - freakin Bradley.

[clenz]

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The convoluted scenarios begin when we look at what happens if the U.S. lose to Germany and either Portugal or Ghana win. That's when the tiebreakers enter the picture. The first tiebreaker is goal difference; the second, goals scored; then third, head-to-head play; the last, drawing lots. Right now, the U.S. have a goal difference of of +1, Ghana are at -1, and Portugal are at -4.

Let's look at the two scenarios:

U.S. lose; Ghana win: This is the greatest threat to our prospects of advancing. If the U.S. lose and Ghana win by anything more than one goal, Ghana go through at our expense. If we lose by one and Ghana win by one, it'll come down to goals scored. Right now, the U.S. have scored four goals to Ghana's three; a 1-0 U.S. loss and a 1-0 Ghana victory would still put the Americans through, via the head-to-head tiebreaker.

U.S. lose; Portugal win: Portugal, in light of their -4 goal difference, have a much steeper hill to climb. They need to beat Ghana by a couple goals and hope Germany beat us by a similar margin—something the Germans are in no way incentivized to do, given that any victory over the Americans puts them on top of the group. (Well, that's if you overlook sticking it to their old manager, Jürgen Klinsmann.) In all, Portugal need a five-goal swing to make up the goal difference. As you can see from the graphic above, there are also a few scenarios in which goal difference would end up deciding the Americans' fate in the event of a Portugal win and a U.S. loss. And if Portugal win 2-1 and the U.S. lose 4-0, we'd draw lots.

FiveThirtyEight puts our chances of advancing at 76 percent, and that might be a little low given that both the U.S. and Germany have a strong incentive to play to a draw. American fans, your rooting interests are clear: if not a victory, then boring, low-scoring soccer, all around.

[clenz]

However, as the commenter said...

I assume "Michael Bradley not playing poorly" is factored into this equation...


If it's not...well...

[CID1990]

So...

For US to advance a win, a draw and Portugal win by less than 5, a draw and a Ghana win by less than 2 or a loss and a draw for Portugal and Ghana

Am i missing something?

yes you are missing that this tie means Klinsmann does a handshake with Germany, agrees to a tie, and we both go through

[CID1990]

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The convoluted scenarios begin when we look at what happens if the U.S. lose to Germany and either Portugal or Ghana win. That's when the tiebreakers enter the picture. The first tiebreaker is goal difference; the second, goals scored; then third, head-to-head play; the last, drawing lots. Right now, the U.S. have a goal difference of of +1, Ghana are at -1, and Portugal are at -4.

Let's look at the two scenarios:

U.S. lose; Ghana win: This is the greatest threat to our prospects of advancing. If the U.S. lose and Ghana win by anything more than one goal, Ghana go through at our expense. If we lose by one and Ghana win by one, it'll come down to goals scored. Right now, the U.S. have scored four goals to Ghana's three; a 1-0 U.S. loss and a 1-0 Ghana victory would still put the Americans through, via the head-to-head tiebreaker.

U.S. lose; Portugal win: Portugal, in light of their -4 goal difference, have a much steeper hill to climb. They need to beat Ghana by a couple goals and hope Germany beat us by a similar margin—something the Germans are in no way incentivized to do, given that any victory over the Americans puts them on top of the group. (Well, that's if you overlook sticking it to their old manager, Jürgen Klinsmann.) In all, Portugal need a five-goal swing to make up the goal difference. As you can see from the graphic above, there are also a few scenarios in which goal difference would end up deciding the Americans' fate in the event of a Portugal win and a U.S. loss. And if Portugal win 2-1 and the U.S. lose 4-0, we'd draw lots.

FiveThirtyEight puts our chances of advancing at 76 percent, and that might be a little low given that both the U.S. and Germany have a strong incentive to play to a draw. American fans, your rooting interests are clear: if not a victory, then boring, low-scoring soccer, all around.

actually our chances of advancing are 100%

it is already over in our group

[clenz]

So...

For US to advance a win, a draw and Portugal win by less than 5, a draw and a Ghana win by less than 2 or a loss and a draw for Portugal and Ghana

Am i missing something?

yes you are missing that this tie means Klinsmann does a handshake with Germany, agrees to a tie, and we both go through

I certainly believe that will happen.

There is no reason for either team to get put in a position of not moving on as a loss for either team makes things dicey - though much more for the US.

The question is will the draw be at 0, 1, or 2.

It can't be too obvious so 0-0 seems out, both teams "allowing" to goals without making it obvious might be tricky so that seems out. 1-1 seems most likely with both goals before the 60th minute.

[BDKJMU]

What is the deal with pre game walking out on the field holding hands with these little kids?

Seriously, just leave this thread.

Seriously they don't do it in any other major sport I know of. I am seriously asking why.

[BDKJMU]

So I'm trying to assess the situation. We're still not sure if the US us any good at soccer yet, correct? We historically suck ass, missed the World Cup for like 40 or 50 years and still haven't quite got our **** straight.

So we're maybe like 15th to 20th best?

If we make it to the round of 16 we're automatically the 16th best at minimum

Yeah, but that would only be true if they seeded 1-32. According to the world FIFA world rankings I saw last week Germany was #2 and #Portugal #4. If they seeded top 8 you wouldn't have 2 top 8, much less 2 top 4, in the same group. How did they come up with the groups? Just randomly draw names?

[JayJ79]

soccer is definitely a weird game as far as timekeeping goes. They don't actually stop the clock when they stop play (except for end of halves), but instead the ref arbitrarily throws a number out towards the end of each half for how much longer past 45/90 minutes that they'll play. And even then, I believe they won't actually whistle the half/game over if a team is deemed to be still on the attack.

strange.

That being said, the arbitrary number was 5 minutes, and the US decided to only play for 4:45 or so

[BDKJMU]

13th in the FIFA ratings.
More world cup appearances than Portugal (i believe)
Haven't missed a WC in over 2 deacdes
currently second in a grouo that consists of the 3rd and 4th ranked teams in the world
Have a third place finish

All while soccer has been 4th, 5th,or 6th in pecking order for athletes and fans while the other countries are clearly number 1 and get their best athletes playing it. Imaging if the US could convince LeBron, Michael Jordan, Randy Moss, Walter Payton, Jerry Rice, Kobe, etc... To play soccer instead of their sports

I have a feeling the whole concussion scare in football is going to lead a lot of parents to put their kids in sports like soccer, and hopefully that will have some positive residual effects for the national team down the line.
We still won't have anything that compares to the youth academies in Europe, though.

Which will lead to a further pussification of Anerica..

[BDKJMU]

You noticed what paper it was, right?

And I think the worst tie in recent history, at least, goes to Liverpool against Crystal Palace. 3 goals in the last 10 minutes to piss away a shot at their first PL title.

No kidding. I mean to **** awat the PL title that way...wow.







I have no idea what the PL title is or who the **** Crystal Palace is. Sounds like a shitty casino in Reno. Meh.

1st thought that comes to mind on here is Patriot League, which has always been referred to as PL on here and AGS. Plus I sort of live in PL territory. Maybe it's an ECB thing...