The F-35 Broke the U.S. Air Force...Yeah I told you so.

[CID1990]

The ironic thing in all of this is that shortfalls in air superiority capabilities might bring back the F-22 as a less costly (!!), stopgap until another multirole next gen fighter can be developed.

[Ibanez]

The older I get, the more and more I agree with that quote's premise.

Hard for me to comment. Public schools around here have money coming out of their arses. The public schools around my house:

That's not the norm.

[93henfan]

Well no shit. Don't you live in one of the richest counties in the country?

We Northern Virginians look down at his mongrel county.

http://www.wtop.com/41/3594972/Americas ... in-DC-area

[mrklean]

This pisses me the FVCK OFF!! All of the wasted money that could have been used to build or upgrade our fighters that work.

[Ibanez]

This pisses me the FVCK OFF!! All of the wasted money that could have been used to build or upgrade our fighters that work.

Yes we know. That's all you ever say. But you also seem to not realize that at some point, you can't expect cutting edge technology to work well on old equipment. You wouldn't put the engine of 1969 Charger in a Model T, would ya?

[ASUG8]

This pisses me the FVCK OFF!! All of the wasted money that could have been used to build or upgrade our fighters that work.

Why attempt to improve anything? Just throw some Sidewinders and JDAM's and we're good to go.

[CID1990]

This pisses me the FVCK OFF!! All of the wasted money that could have been used to build or upgrade our fighters that work.

You have already been told by people who understand more than you about this that upgrading 1970's tech platforms is not an option and makes them no more survivable against the 4th gen platforms coming out of China and Russia.

So stop looking stupid.

[CID1990]

This pisses me the FVCK OFF!! All of the wasted money that could have been used to build or upgrade our fighters that work.

Why attempt to improve anything? Just throw some Sidewinders and JDAM's and we're good to go.

Beech Staggerwing

That was a beautiful airplane

[Col Hogan]

I can't and won't defend the F-35, but I laugh each time Kleanzy posts his false premise that we should be simply upgrading technology from the late 60's and early 70's...

[CID1990]

I can't and won't defend the F-35, but I laugh each time Kleanzy posts his false premise that we should be simply upgrading technology from the late 60's and early 70's...

I think of him as the "Georgia Corporal"


(that's probably a too obscure reference to Wehrmacht generals calling Hitler the "Bavarian Corporal")

[Ibanez]

I can't and won't defend the F-35, but I laugh each time Kleanzy posts his false premise that we should be simply upgrading technology from the late 60's and early 70's...

I think of him as the "Georgia Corporal"


(that's probably a too obscure reference to Wehrmacht generals calling Hitler the "Bavarian Corporal")

Hindenburg called him the "Bohemian Corporal"

[Ibanez]

This pisses me the FVCK OFF!! All of the wasted money that could have been used to build or upgrade our fighters that work.

You have already been told by people who understand more than you about this that upgrading 1970's tech platforms is not an option and makes them no more survivable against the 4th gen platforms coming out of China and Russia.

So stop looking stupid.

he's just going for post count.

[CID1990]

I think of him as the "Georgia Corporal"


(that's probably a too obscure reference to Wehrmacht generals calling Hitler the "Bavarian Corporal")

Hindenburg called him the "Bohemian Corporal"

Yep- that's right. I think it caught on with some of the generals later when he tried to play military expert with them

Edit: it was Paulus- he repeated Hindenburg when he said that he refused to shoot himself for a little shit like that "Bohemian corporal" - but he made the same mistake as Hindenburg - they both should have said "Bavarian corporal", but Hitler's birthplace also has a town by the same name in the Czech Republic (part of old Bohemia) and is probably why Hindenburg said Bohemia.

[Ibanez]

Hindenburg called him the "Bohemian Corporal"

Yep- that's right. I think it caught on with some of the generals later when he tried to play military expert with them

Edit: it was Paulus- he repeated Hindenburg when he said that he refused to shoot himself for a little shit like that "Bohemian corporal" - but he made the same mistake as Hindenburg - they both should have said "Bavarian corporal", but Hitler's birthplace also has a town by the same name in the Czech Republic (part of old Bohemia) and is probably why Hindenburg said Bohemia.

. Right. Hitler was an Austrian, and part of Austria was the former country of Bohemia.

[AZGrizFan]

It has been a disaster, no doubt. And you didn't tell anybody anything. Everyone knows about it already, especially those of us who work in Government procurement. It's a lesson learned in how NOT to procure a major system.

You'd think that as long as they've been procuring they'd get better at it.

Why bother? The pile of money is endless, in their eyes...

[AZGrizFan]

This pisses me the FVCK OFF!! All of the wasted money that could have been used to build or upgrade our fighters that work.

You have already been told by people who understand more than you about this that upgrading 1970's tech platforms is not an option and makes them no more survivable against the 4th gen platforms coming out of China and Russia.

So stop looking stupid.

That's like asking water to stop being wet.

[DSUrocks07]

The plane is beastly in the Strangereal world.

http://acecombat.wikia.com/wiki/F-35C_Lightning_II

The F-35C Lightning II is a fifth generation, high performance, Multirole carrier-based stealth fighter, designed as a lower-cost alternative to the highly advanced F-22A Raptor. Since its introduction, the F-35C has been employed by various countries as a piecemeal stealth fighter, with mainstay operators like the Osean Maritime Defense Force, the Yuktobanian Air Force, and the Belkan Air Force, seeing service as early as 1995 and as late as 2020. Being an STOL aircraft as it is, it could effectively be launched from any catapult-equipped naval vessel, including those like the Nimitz-class aircraft carriers and Scinfaxi-class submarines.

[houndawg]

This pisses me the FVCK OFF!! All of the wasted money that could have been used to build or upgrade our fighters that work.

Yes we know. That's all you ever say. But you also seem to not realize that at some point, you can't expect cutting edge technology to work well on old equipment. You wouldn't put the engine of 1969 Charger in a Model T, would ya?

..or cruise missles on a B-52.....

[mrklean]

Yes we know. That's all you ever say. But you also seem to not realize that at some point, you can't expect cutting edge technology to work well on old equipment. You wouldn't put the engine of 1969 Charger in a Model T, would ya?

..or cruise missles on a B-52.....

Yes. we have a 60 year old Long Range Bomber thats better than anything out there. But, its only billion dollars.

[Ibanez]

..or cruise missles on a B-52.....

Yes. we have a 60 year old Long Range Bomber thats better than anything out there. But, its only billion dollars.

Are you seriously comparing a bomber to an agile, fighter jet?!

[mrklean]

Yes. we have a 60 year old Long Range Bomber thats better than anything out there. But, its only billion dollars.

Are you seriously comparing a bomber to an agile, fighter jet?!

The problem is that people think the DOD is an open ATM. But on the other hand they want to bitch about Obamacare. You can't have it both ways. I remember you telling me that that DOD was trying to get better at not trying to wasting money. I'm still waiting

[Ibanez]

Are you seriously comparing a bomber to an agile, fighter jet?!

The problem is that people think the DOD is an open ATM. But on the other hand they want to bitch about Obamacare. You can't have it both ways. I remember you telling me that that DOD was trying to get better at not trying to wasting money. I'm still waiting

They are. I see it every day. Look at Joint Bases. COP systems. Back in 2009, I was part of an effort that sold off close to $60 million in gear. The reduction in gear allowed the Navy to consolidate it's warehouses and saved more money.

One of the many problems is that people like you want to update old technology and systems and expect them to be competitive. The F-35 is a great lesson for what NOT to do in terms of procurement. Obamacare was the same way. There's no reason why it should've cost more than $5M to design that website.

[houndawg]

The problem is that people think the DOD is an open ATM. But on the other hand they want to bitch about Obamacare. You can't have it both ways. I remember you telling me that that DOD was trying to get better at not trying to wasting money. I'm still waiting

They are. I see it every day. Look at Joint Bases. COP systems. Back in 2009, I was part of an effort that sold off close to $60 million in gear. The reduction in gear allowed the Navy to consolidate it's warehouses and saved more money.

One of the many problems is that people like you want to update old technology and systems and expect them to be competitive. The F-35 is a great lesson for what NOT to do in terms of procurement. Obamacare was the same way. There's no reason why it should've cost more than $5M to design that website.

We hear this a lot yet it keeps happening on an ever-growing scale. How much of it is Congresspeople forcing pork into their district?

[Col Hogan]

They are. I see it every day. Look at Joint Bases. COP systems. Back in 2009, I was part of an effort that sold off close to $60 million in gear. The reduction in gear allowed the Navy to consolidate it's warehouses and saved more money.

One of the many problems is that people like you want to update old technology and systems and expect them to be competitive. The F-35 is a great lesson for what NOT to do in terms of procurement. Obamacare was the same way. There's no reason why it should've cost more than $5M to design that website.

We hear this a lot yet it keeps happening on an ever-growing scale. How much of it is Congresspeople forcing pork into their district?

Most...

[Ibanez]

They are. I see it every day. Look at Joint Bases. COP systems. Back in 2009, I was part of an effort that sold off close to $60 million in gear. The reduction in gear allowed the Navy to consolidate it's warehouses and saved more money.

One of the many problems is that people like you want to update old technology and systems and expect them to be competitive. The F-35 is a great lesson for what NOT to do in terms of procurement. Obamacare was the same way. There's no reason why it should've cost more than $5M to design that website.

We hear this a lot yet it keeps happening on an ever-growing scale. How much of it is Congresspeople forcing pork into their district?

A lot of it. Remember, Congress continues to build war machines even though the Pentagon says they aren't needed. Why? The factory is in their district. I've posted many times how the Pentagon wants no more tanks yet Congress ignores them.