St Louis Rioting

[bandl]

You can fracture a bone and not get knocked out. I know Sean Casey the baseball player. He got hit in the face on a throw to first that he wasn't ready for or looking. He didn't get KO'ed. Suffered same injury. I'm guessing much worse than dough boys punch. Just saying.

I broke my pinkie toe a few months ago and I didn't pass out! It was close, but I manned up and fought through the pain!

[JohnStOnge]

I've seen several interviews of Dorian Johnson. I have to say that many of his accounts have been consistent from one interview to another. He has made a couple of unintended mistakes but I don't think they are of major concern.

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Anyone have any thoughts here?

No thoughts on your theory that I didn't include in the quote but my understanding is that Johnson said Brown was shot in the back. If so, given the autopsy results, I think everything he said should be taken with many huge grains of salt. Brown was not shot in the back. To me, if he really said Brown was shot in the back, a pretty significant element of his story is known to be factually untrue.

[houndawg]

You can fracture a bone and not get knocked out. I know Sean Casey the baseball player. He got hit in the face on a throw to first that he wasn't ready for or looking. He didn't get KO'ed. Suffered same injury. I'm guessing much worse than dough boys punch. Just saying.

He didn't even blink, the kid didn't make it 30 ft. Mighty good shootin' with a busted eye socket from a blow delivered by an NFL-sized behemoth. And where is the damage in the video that shows him standing around the kids corpse? Surely they got him prompt medical attention for his terrible injury?

[houndawg]

I've seen several interviews of Dorian Johnson. I have to say that many of his accounts have been consistent from one interview to another. He has made a couple of unintended mistakes but I don't think they are of major concern.

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Anyone have any thoughts here?

No thoughts on your theory that I didn't include in the quote but my understanding is that Johnson said Brown was shot in the back. If so, given the autopsy results, I think everything he said should be taken with many huge grains of salt. Brown was not shot in the back. To me, if he really said Brown was shot in the back, a pretty significant element of his story is known to be factually untrue.

Fog of war.

[andy7171]

You can fracture a bone and not get knocked out. I know Sean Casey the baseball player. He got hit in the face on a throw to first that he wasn't ready for or looking. He didn't get KO'ed. Suffered same injury. I'm guessing much worse than dough boys punch. Just saying.

He didn't even blink, the kid didn't make it 30 ft. Mighty good shootin' with a busted eye socket from a blow delivered by an NFL-sized behemoth. And where is the damage in the video that shows him standing around the kids corpse? Surely they got him prompt medical attention for his terrible injury?

I don't know. But I'm going to wait for the images and X-rays to come out before making up my mind.

Do you know how many nfl sized behemoths that are soft? The Meac was full of them in the 90s

[93henfan]

You can fracture a bone and not get knocked out. I know Sean Casey the baseball player. He got hit in the face on a throw to first that he wasn't ready for or looking. He didn't get KO'ed. Suffered same injury. I'm guessing much worse than dough boys punch. Just saying.

I broke my pinkie toe a few months ago and I didn't pass out! It was close, but I manned up and fought through the pain!

Faggot!

Oh yeah, I stubbed my left pinky toe on a dumbbell two weeks ago and the shit still hurts. Should I seek expert medical care?

[ChickenMan]

CAA Flagship wrote:I've seen several interviews of Dorian Johnson. I have to say that many of his accounts have been consistent from one interview to another. He has made a couple of unintended mistakes but I don't think they are of major concern.

So now we are expected to take the word of a guy who is see on video taking part in the robbery with Michael Brown??? Dorian Johnson has zero credibility as a 'witness'.. but he should be a defendant in the earlier robbery of the convenience store.

[Col Hogan]

As for being left-handed, IF he is then the story is certain bullshit since the eye he would have sighted with wasn't available because of his busted eye socket......

There you go again, Huckleberry Hound, talking out your ass...You make two big assumptions with this statement that (1) just because a person is left handed that this same person is left eye dominant...the officer could be right eye dominant and shoots from that side (2) or that the officer is not properly trained to shoot with his off-hand should he be injured (which it appears he was)...

I am right handed but left eye dominant...I do lots of shooting left handed, and end each range session with what ever weapon I am shooting off-hand...

:SMFH:

[CID1990]

As for being left-handed, IF he is then the story is certain bullshit since the eye he would have sighted with wasn't available because of his busted eye socket......

There you go again, Huckleberry Hound, talking out your ass...You make two big assumptions with this statement that (1) just because a person is left handed that this same person is left eye dominant...the officer could be right eye dominant and shoots from that side (2) or that the officer is not properly trained to shoot with his off-hand should he be injured (which it appears he was)...

I am right handed but left eye dominant...I do lots of shooting left handed, and end each range session with what ever weapon I am shooting off-hand...

:SMFH:

I am the same way- left eye dominant and right handed. I shoot long guns left handed and pistols right handed. Always have. Firearms instructors used to try to train the habit out, but now they leave it alone, because the way I shoot and transition between weapons is actually an advantage.

[houndawg]

As for being left-handed, IF he is then the story is certain bullshit since the eye he would have sighted with wasn't available because of his busted eye socket......

There you go again, Huckleberry Hound, talking out your ass...You make two big assumptions with this statement that (1) just because a person is left handed that this same person is left eye dominant...the officer could be right eye dominant and shoots from that side (2) or that the officer is not properly trained to shoot with his off-hand should he be injured (which it appears he was)...

I am right handed but left eye dominant...I do lots of shooting left handed, and end each range session with what ever weapon I am shooting off-hand...

:SMFH:

There you go again fvcking a fly's ass and ignoring the main point: mighty quick response and good shooting for somebody who had just taken a blow that fractured his eye socket.

[CID1990]

There you go again, Huckleberry Hound, talking out your ass...You make two big assumptions with this statement that (1) just because a person is left handed that this same person is left eye dominant...the officer could be right eye dominant and shoots from that side (2) or that the officer is not properly trained to shoot with his off-hand should he be injured (which it appears he was)...

I am right handed but left eye dominant...I do lots of shooting left handed, and end each range session with what ever weapon I am shooting off-hand...

:SMFH:

There you go again fvcking a fly's ass and ignoring the main point: mighty quick response and good shooting for somebody who had just taken a blow that fractured his eye socket.

Sorry we didn't realize you were Quincy, MD

[Col Hogan]

There you go again, Huckleberry Hound, talking out your ass...You make two big assumptions with this statement that (1) just because a person is left handed that this same person is left eye dominant...the officer could be right eye dominant and shoots from that side (2) or that the officer is not properly trained to shoot with his off-hand should he be injured (which it appears he was)...

I am right handed but left eye dominant...I do lots of shooting left handed, and end each range session with what ever weapon I am shooting off-hand...

:SMFH:

There you go again fvcking a fly's ass and ignoring the main point: mighty quick response and good shooting for somebody who had just taken a blow that fractured his eye socket.

Do you reject the effect of adrenaline??? I'm 6'4" myself, but if I saw a 300lb guy charging, after he had hit me...the go-juice would kick in big time and for a few moments the pain would be gone and my training would kick in..

Ya know, that's why they train...

[houndawg]

There you go again fvcking a fly's ass and ignoring the main point: mighty quick response and good shooting for somebody who had just taken a blow that fractured his eye socket.

Sorry we didn't realize you were Quincy, MD

the usual straw man.

[ChickenMan]

There you go again fvcking a fly's ass and ignoring the main point: mighty quick response and good shooting for somebody who had just taken a blow that fractured his eye socket.

You don't have to be Wyatt Earp to hit a target that big coming at you from that distance.. not much aiming involved.. just point and shoot.

[houndawg]

There you go again fvcking a fly's ass and ignoring the main point: mighty quick response and good shooting for somebody who had just taken a blow that fractured his eye socket.

Do you reject the effect of adrenaline??? I'm 6'4" myself, but if I saw a 300lb guy charging, after he had hit me...the go-juice would kick in big time and for a few moments the pain would be gone and my training would kick in..

Ya know, that's why they train...

No I don't reject the effect of adrenaline, maybe that is why the blow had no effect on him - just can't help but notice the total lack of skepticism about the cops version and the total skepticism of the other side. You aren't curious about the lack of apparent damage to the officer while he's filmed standing around the corpse after the shooting? Or the way he puts out his story through his girlfriend more than a week later when you know he was told to go home and not talk to the media? I bet if he'd shot somebody at Cliven Bundy's ranch you'd be among the first to squeal about jack-booted thugs.

[houndawg]

There you go again fvcking a fly's ass and ignoring the main point: mighty quick response and good shooting for somebody who had just taken a blow that fractured his eye socket.

You don't have to be Wyatt Earp to hit a target that big coming at you from that distance.. not much aiming involved.. just point and shoot.

Even though you just got clocked hard enough to break your skull.

[ChickenMan]

You don't have to be Wyatt Earp to hit a target that big coming at you from that distance.. not much aiming involved.. just point and shoot.

Even though you just got clocked hard enough to break your skull.

You can do a lot more than point and shoot when you are in fear of great bodily injury or your life...

[Col Hogan]

Do you reject the effect of adrenaline??? I'm 6'4" myself, but if I saw a 300lb guy charging, after he had hit me...the go-juice would kick in big time and for a few moments the pain would be gone and my training would kick in..

Ya know, that's why they train...

No I don't reject the effect of adrenaline, maybe that is why the blow had no effect on him - just can't help but notice the total lack of skepticism about the cops version and the total skepticism of the other side. You aren't curious about the lack of apparent damage to the officer while he's filmed standing around the corpse after the shooting? Or the way he puts out his story through his girlfriend more than a week later when you know he was told to go home and not talk to the media? I bet if he'd shot somebody at Cliven Bundy's ranch you'd be among the first to squeal about jack-booted thugs.

I have lots of skepticism...I don't know what happened...I'm waiting until the investigation is complete...

But this is at least the second time in this thread you've presented your "skepticism" in such a fashion that I'm skeptical about your motives...

I wonder if you might be a closet member of the Michael Brown fan club...

[Skjellyfetti]

So far on this page - Brown is both a "soft" "doughboy" and capable of killing the cop with his bare hands. Amazing.

Nobody knows shit about this case... and we're never going to. It's ridiculous. That's the problem here and I hope that is what is looked at after the situation and the dust settles between the sides wanting to point fingers or declare a "winner"

[JohnStOnge]

If the thing about the fracture is true there will be objective evidence of it.

As far as skepticism goes:

You know I am not a big fan of cops. I think they throw their weight around a lot more than is necessary. I think they're allowed to do a lot of things they shouldn't be allowed to do. Like for instance I don't think they should be able to arrest people in Ferguson right now just because those people are standing still instead of moving.

But I must admit I am pretty skeptical about the idea that you have a guy standing there with his hands up trying to surrender and a cop shoots him. And shoots him at least six times. Of all the things I've seen accounts or videos of cops doing that's not one of them.

Another thing: I saw the autopsy report graphic thing. To me it's consistent with shooting at a moving target and having difficulty hitting it. That doesn't mean it rules out improper action by the cop. But it doesn't, to me, seem consistent with a guy just standing there with his hands up and a cop shooting him.

Then of course there's that video where someone in the background who apparently witnessed the event is relating what happened and talking about Brown moving towards the officer and the officer shooting and Brown not stopping. That's pretty compelling if it wasn't totally faked. I guess you could say it was totally faked. But I guess there's a way of determining that as well.

[CAA Flagship]

You can fracture a bone and not get knocked out. I know Sean Casey the baseball player. He got hit in the face on a throw to first that he wasn't ready for or looking. He didn't get KO'ed. Suffered same injury. I'm guessing much worse than dough boys punch. Just saying.

I got a coupla Sean Casey stories. He played at Richmond and led the nation in hitting one year. The guy who batted behind him in the lineup had met with me as a salesman at work just before I was to take a trip to Cleveland. We got talking about basball and I said I was going to see a Reds-Indians game. He said to tell Casey that the only reason why he led the nation was because he saw good pitches because he followed him in the lineup. Before the game I told Casey that and he laughed his butt off. We chatted a bit more.

Also, at a game at ODU, he had someone put his eye black on. The guy had eye black on one finger and vaseline on the other. One eye got the eye black and the other got vaseline. It took 2 innings for him to figure it out.

[JohnStOnge]

So far on this page - Brown is both a "soft" "doughboy" and capable of killing the cop with his bare hands. Amazing.

Nobody knows **** about this case... and we're never going to. It's ridiculous. That's the problem here and I hope that is what is looked at after the situation and the dust settles between the sides wanting to point fingers or declare a "winner"

Just remember that the standard is supposed to be "innocent until proven guilty." And we have tremendous political pressure to just declare the cop guilty.

[CAA Flagship]

I've seen several interviews of Dorian Johnson. I have to say that many of his accounts have been consistent from one interview to another. He has made a couple of unintended mistakes but I don't think they are of major concern.

...

Anyone have any thoughts here?

No thoughts on your theory that I didn't include in the quote but my understanding is that Johnson said Brown was shot in the back. If so, given the autopsy results, I think everything he said should be taken with many huge grains of salt. Brown was not shot in the back. To me, if he really said Brown was shot in the back, a pretty significant element of his story is known to be factually untrue.

In the back or in the back of the arm is not a big difference with regard to his testimony, IMO. We still don't know the direction of the bullets. Several passed right through. The only results released were preliminary results.

[CAA Flagship]

He didn't even blink, the kid didn't make it 30 ft. Mighty good shootin' with a busted eye socket from a blow delivered by an NFL-sized behemoth. And where is the damage in the video that shows him standing around the kids corpse? Surely they got him prompt medical attention for his terrible injury?

I don't know. But I'm going to wait for the images and X-rays to come out before making up my mind.

Do you know how many nfl sized behemoths that are soft? The Meac was full of them in the 90s

[CAA Flagship]

CAA Flagship wrote:I've seen several interviews of Dorian Johnson. I have to say that many of his accounts have been consistent from one interview to another. He has made a couple of unintended mistakes but I don't think they are of major concern.

So now we are expected to take the word of a guy who is see on video taking part in the robbery with Michael Brown??? Dorian Johnson has zero credibility as a 'witness'.. but he should be a defendant in the earlier robbery of the convenience store.

Chicken Man returns.

He will testify. I'm looking to see if his story has changed yet.
I believe the recent autopsy results said that there was no gunpowder residue indicating a shot at close range. However, Johnson did say that Brown was shot in the arm during the initial struggle at the car and that he saw the blood. Isn't that close range?