2014 NASCAR Thread

[BDKJMU]

So yesterday (Tues) Keselowski got 50k fine with 4 weeks probation, Stewart 25k fie with 4 weeks probation, and Kenseth and Hamlin nothing. WTF.

[93henfan]

What did Stewart do? I must have missed that part.

And Keselowski should have gotten more.

[clenz]

So...


Danica is in first place, right?

[TheDancinMonarch]

So yesterday (Tues) Keselowski got 50k fine with 4 weeks probation, Stewart 25k fie with 4 weeks probation, and Kenseth and Hamlin nothing. WTF.

Apparently hitting someone with your car is worse than attempting to hit someone with your fist. Seems reasonable to me.

[BDKJMU]

What did Stewart do? I must have missed that part.

And Keselowski should have gotten more.

Stewart had to get a slap on the wrist for ramming into Keselowski after Keselowski hit him. Hamlin & Kenseth should have gotten 25k, too, After all, Ambrose got 25k earlier this season for punching Mears.

Agreed that Keselowski should have gotten more. More like 50-100k, and maybe points (although it wouldn't matter that much, as he will likely have to win on Sun to move on).

[89Hen]

What did Stewart do? I must have missed that part.

And Keselowski should have gotten more.

I think he was the one who backed into Keselowski and crumpled the front of his car.

[BDKJMU]

So yesterday (Tues) Keselowski got 50k fine with 4 weeks probation, Stewart 25k fie with 4 weeks probation, and Kenseth and Hamlin nothing. WTF.

Apparently hitting someone with your car is worse than attempting to hit someone with your fist. Seems reasonable to me.

Yeah, but if this resulted in a 25k fine:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbsE2weoQ4w[/youtube]
Then Kenseth should have gotten 1 too.

[TheDancinMonarch]

Apparently hitting someone with your car is worse than attempting to hit someone with your fist. Seems reasonable to me.

Yeah, but if this resulted in a 25k fine:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbsE2weoQ4w[/youtube]
Then Kenseth should have gotten 1 too.

NASCAR has never been a finalist for the Consistency Award.

[BDKJMU]

Yeah, but if this resulted in a 25k fine:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbsE2weoQ4w[/youtube]
Then Kenseth should have gotten 1 too.

NASCAR has never been a finalist for the Consistency Award.

True. The Ambrose/Mears thing was earlier this year at the 1st Richmond race, and that was 1 of the things people mentioned last Sun and Mon on whether or not Kenseth would get a fine. People were saying that since NASCAR docked Ambrose 25k, they would have to do the same with Kenseth.

Maybe NASCAR is biased against Australians...

[TheDancinMonarch]

NASCAR has never been a finalist for the Consistency Award.

True. The Ambrose/Mears thing was earlier this year at the 1st Richmond race, and that was 1 of the things people mentioned last Sun and Mon on whether or not Kenseth would get a fine. People were saying that since NASCAR docked Ambrose 25k, they would have to do the same with Kenseth.

Maybe NASCAR is biased against Australians...

All NASCAR drivers are equal, but some NASCAR drivers are more equal than others.

[CAA Flagship]

Did anyone see the cluster that Danica caused when she led the field into pit row late in the race?

[BDKJMU]

Did anyone see the cluster that Danica caused when she led the field into pit row late in the race?

Well, for those who didn't see it, for the 3 drivers who it was basically checkers or wreckers to make the final 8:
-Johnson led the most laps but finished 24th after restarting 4th on the 1st Green-White-Checkered and 9th on the 2nd one.
-Jr led the 2nd most laps but restarted 16th on the 1st Green-White-Checkered, move up a few spots then got wrecked when Dave Gilliland #38 tapped #16 Biffle who turned Jr, causing Jr to spin. Jr avoided the wall, but finished 31st. Even if hadn't gotten wrecked wouldn't have won. Last 80 or so laps think his car was a little on the loose side.
-The polack won.

The only consolation was that Kyle Busch only had to finish 24th of better to clinch, and he got wrecked bad on lap 103 (off 188) and finished 40th.

The 4 drivers eliminated were 3 of the 4 Hendrick drivers Jr, Johnson, and Kahne, along with Kyle Busch.

Moving on are Keselowski, Logano, Harvick, Gordon, Hamlin, Edwards, Newman, and Kenseth. Gordon will have to carry the Hendrick banner from here on out.

[BDKJMU]

What is complete BS is that you have 2 drivers in the final 8 with 0 wins, Kenseth and Newman. If after 32 races you have 0 wins, you don't deserve to be in the final 8.

[93henfan]

In Dover today; witnessed a sad sight. Turn two stands coming down:

[CAA Flagship]

In Dover today; witnessed a sad sight. Turn two stands coming down:

Poor K?

[93henfan]

In Dover today; witnessed a sad sight. Turn two stands coming down:

Poor K?

They're taking down tens of thousands of seats because they don't sell any more. 140k seats and the races only draw 80k or so nowadays.

[CAA Flagship]

Poor K?

They're taking down tens of thousands of seats because they don't sell any more. 140k seats and the races only draw 80k or so nowadays.

Unless there is some sort of high maintenance cost, I don't understand why anyone would do that. What if Joel Osteen wanted to do a live fleecing there? Every seat would be needed.

[93henfan]

They're taking down tens of thousands of seats because they don't sell any more. 140k seats and the races only draw 80k or so nowadays.

Unless there is some sort of high maintenance cost, I don't understand why anyone would do that. What if Joel Osteen wanted to do a live fleecing there? Every seat would be needed.

Dover, Pocono, and Indianapolis are the only three tracks in NASCAR that aren't owned by the two mega-syndicates. When one of the syndicates wants to add a race at one of their tracks, NASCAR will need to drop a race somewhere else. In addition, sponsors would prefer a full track on TV. Your product doesn't look very exclusive when it's parading in front of 50% capacity stands.

Dropping seats will make the place look full again. Some tracks (cough Daytona) have even gone to pixelated seat colors to make empty swaths of seating in the low level look less empty.

[DSUrocks07]

Poor K?

They're taking down tens of thousands of seats because they don't sell any more. 140k seats and the races only draw 80k or so nowadays.

That's what happens when you put all your eggs in one basket like DD did for 40+ years.

[93henfan]

They're taking down tens of thousands of seats because they don't sell any more. 140k seats and the races only draw 80k or so nowadays.

That's what happens when you put all your eggs in one basket like DD did for 40+ years.

I think it's the complete opposite. They didn't put all their eggs in one basket. They squandered too much of it on casino and hotel instead of focusing on NASCAR. They should have installed lights ten years ago and moved to Saturday night races. They should have also lowered their ticket prices sooner and focused on pre-race entertainment and improved ingress/egress to the track.

Instead, they let the NASCAR focus drop because they suddenly got all the revenue the past 19 years since gambling was made legal in Delaware (1995). They had a captive market for 15 years until MD and PA both legalized gambling and then they lost that market seemingly overnight and then that NASCAR market they took for granted suddenly became a HUGE void.

Just doing some quick math. They've lost 60,000 butts at $96/ticket or roughly $6M at each of two races each year. Probably double that with parking and concessions. Add in campers lost. So they're losing $25M+ per year on something that was automatic as recently as 2008.

And now they also have a giant fancy casino hotel that is likely sitting 3/4 empty most of the time and a gambling floor with tumbleweeds blowing through.

YOUCH!

[CAA Flagship]

That's what happens when you put all your eggs in one basket like DD did for 40+ years.

I think it's the complete opposite. They didn't put all their eggs in one basket. They squandered too much of it on casino and hotel instead of focusing on NASCAR. They should have installed lights ten years ago and moved to Saturday night races. They should have also lowered their ticket prices sooner and focused on pre-race entertainment and improved ingress/egress to the track.

Instead, they let the NASCAR focus drop because they suddenly got all the revenue the past 19 years since gambling was made legal in Delaware (1995). They had a captive market for 15 years until MD and PA both legalized gambling and then they lost that market seemingly overnight and then that NASCAR market they took for granted suddenly became a HUGE void.

Just doing some quick math. They've lost 60,000 butts at $96/ticket or roughly $6M at each of two races each year. Probably double that with parking and concessions. Add in campers lost. So they're losing $25M+ per year on something that was automatic as recently as 2008.

And now they also have a giant fancy casino hotel that is likely sitting 3/4 empty most of the time and a gambling floor with tumbleweeds blowing through.

YOUCH!

Friggin Yahoo changed their charts this week. I liked the old ones better.

[DSUrocks07]

That's what happens when you put all your eggs in one basket like DD did for 40+ years.

I think it's the complete opposite. They didn't put all their eggs in one basket. They squandered too much of it on casino and hotel instead of focusing on NASCAR. They should have installed lights ten years ago and moved to Saturday night races. They should have also lowered their ticket prices sooner and focused on pre-race entertainment and improved ingress/egress to the track.

Instead, they let the NASCAR focus drop because they suddenly got all the revenue the past 19 years since gambling was made legal in Delaware (1995). They had a captive market for 15 years until MD and PA both legalized gambling and then they lost that market seemingly overnight and then that NASCAR market they took for granted suddenly became a HUGE void.

Just doing some quick math. They've lost 60,000 butts at $96/ticket or roughly $6M at each of two races each year. Probably double that with parking and concessions. Add in campers lost. So they're losing $25M+ per year on something that was automatic as recently as 2008.

And now they also have a giant fancy casino hotel that is likely sitting 3/4 empty most of the time and a gambling floor with tumbleweeds blowing through.

YOUCH!

Or invested in developing the motorsports part of their operations across the board. With all the land they own/owned they could have built a dragstrip, a road course, etc on top of improving the track itself. Instead of just sitting on their hands with their two podunk races and believe that the NASCAR market would go no where but up. I remember talk a decade ago about how there were plans to go up to even 160,000 seats.

They have NEVER invested in facility improvement, I've lived in Dover area a majority of my life and honestly all the "Monster Mile" was was a 20,000 seat venue with 110,000+ temporary bleachers.

[DSUrocks07]

Dover's casino operations are cratering (MGM or another regional casino operator (Penn National?) may swoop in a grab it for pennies on the dollar), but you have to remember that the Motorsports aspect is technically a completely separate company:



And somehow their valuation has been trending upwards over the last few years.

But there's a obvious lack of vision from the leadership at the top, they are too reactionary to run a successful business.

[93henfan]

The motorsports division is getting equally crushed, just at different tipping points. While the gaming division shit the bed when surrounding states legalized gambling, the motorsports division shit the bed twice, coinciding with the two recessions in 2001 and 2008. 2001 was particularly bad because that was the end of $1 gas and all the motorhomes it brought to tracks.

[93henfan]

88! Win number four of the season.

A real shame he blew a tire while leading at Kansas to eliminate him from the new format. He would have been a final four finalist at Homestead with the win today at Martinsville. Oh well. Way to keep going Junior. First grandfather clock for his trophy case.