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Re: STUDY: Pot Smoking Shrinks The Brain

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93henfan wrote:
Ibanez wrote:From Tmans article :

Even now, however, the authors of the study acknowledge that they cannot discern whether a pot smoker's smaller orbital frontal cortex is the cause or the result of chronic marijuana use


So, the thread of this misleading.
I'm glad somebody caught this. :coffee:
This "study" is pointless. Like I said, the authors essentially say, " Well, pot may make your brain smaller. Or maybe not. Pot does make you highly functioning. But that is due to the brain compensating for damage that pot may or may not have done."
Researchers noted that the IQ of the marijuana-using group was significantly lower than that of the non-using group--not a finding of the study, but an incidental factor that might be indirectly linked to marijuana use

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Re: STUDY: Pot Smoking Shrinks The Brain

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BlueHen86 wrote:
travelinman67 wrote:
So...are you disagreeing with the study, the NY Times, or merely frustrated that I have proven correct once again?

Take your time. I understand you suffer from a neurotransmitter deficiency.
I see that the NY Times is back on your good side. :lol:
Only when it suits him. They are still liberal scum. 8-)
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Re: STUDY: Pot Smoking Shrinks The Brain

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Ibanez wrote:
BlueHen86 wrote:
I see that the NY Times is back on your good side. :lol:
Only when it suits him. They are still liberal scum. 8-)
I'll make another prediction:

Studies find pot users display pronounced manic neurosis.

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Re: STUDY: Pot Smoking Shrinks The Brain

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Pssssst!

Ib...

...go smoke a bowl.
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Re: STUDY: Pot Smoking Shrinks The Brain

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travelinman67 wrote:
kalm wrote:
The level of your stupidity in this is...Cheetos!
So...are you disagreeing with the study, the NY Times, or merely frustrated that I have proven correct once again?

Take your time. I understand you suffer from a neurotransmitter deficiency.
It's going to take more than one study to prove you correct. You cherry picked news sources until you found a study that agreed with you and then you ran with it. Well done.

It's not hard to believe that smoking pot is bad for the brain, just like it's not hard to believe that consuming alcohol is bad for the brain. If it worries you, don't do it. Problem solved.
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Re: STUDY: Pot Smoking Shrinks The Brain

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travelinman67 wrote:
Ibanez wrote:
Only when it suits him. They are still liberal scum. 8-)
I'll make another prediction:

Studies find pot users display pronounced manic neurosis.

:lol:
If that is the case, you post as if you have a pot addiction.
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Re: STUDY: Pot Smoking Shrinks The Brain

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BlueHen86 wrote: It's going to take more than one study to prove you correct. You cherry picked news sources until you found a study that agreed with you and then you ran with it. Well done...
This was a headline on news aggregator Drudge Report.

I invite you to find contradicting (credible) studies.
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Re: STUDY: Pot Smoking Shrinks The Brain

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travelinman67 wrote:
BlueHen86 wrote: It's going to take more than one study to prove you correct. You cherry picked news sources until you found a study that agreed with you and then you ran with it. Well done...
This was a headline on news aggregator Drudge Report.

I invite you to find contradicting (credible) studies.
You're the one who claims to have been proven right, the burden is on you. So far your sources are the NY Times and Drudge. :rofl:
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BlueHen86 wrote:
travelinman67 wrote:
This was a headline on news aggregator Drudge Report.

I invite you to find contradicting (credible) studies.
You're the one who claims to have been proven right, the burden is on you. So far your sources are the NY Times and Drudge. :rofl:
So, you have nothing...

...defaulting back to Troll.

Different day, same ol' NoBrains.

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I'm still waiting for an Anti-Marijuana Republican to explain "Why it matters?"
So what if Pot Kills 3 out of every 4 users
or Marijuana is dangerous to baby rats
or Dope is for dummies

We all get it - but why does that matter..?
I mean seriously, so what..?

There is a century of legitimate Marijuana studies to look at - there is no shortage of solid data for all to see
But honestly - whats your point...?


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Re: STUDY: Pot Smoking Shrinks The Brain

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travelinman67 wrote:Pssssst!

Ib...

...go smoke a bowl.
I don't smoke.

Psst!

Tman...


...act like an adult.
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Chizzang wrote:I'm still waiting for an Anti-Marijuana Republican to explain "Why it matters?"
So what if Pot Kills 3 out of every 4 users
or Marijuana is dangerous to baby rats
or Dope is for dummies

We all get it - but why does that matter..?
I mean seriously, so what..?

There is a century of legitimate Marijuana studies to look at - there is no shortage of solid data for all to see
But honestly - whats your point...?


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Re: STUDY: Pot Smoking Shrinks The Brain

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travelinman67 wrote:
BlueHen86 wrote:
You're the one who claims to have been proven right, the burden is on you. So far your sources are the NY Times and Drudge. :rofl:
So, you have nothing...

...defaulting back to Troll.

Different day, same ol' NoBrains.

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And what exactly do you have? Links to Drudge and the NY Times? The ability to start threads with inaccurate titles? You're the troll, the question is whether or not you are smart enough to recognize it.
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travelinman67 wrote:
Chizzang wrote:I'm still waiting for an Anti-Marijuana Republican to explain "Why it matters?"
So what if Pot Kills 3 out of every 4 users
or Marijuana is dangerous to baby rats
or Dope is for dummies

We all get it - but why does that matter..?
I mean seriously, so what..?

There is a century of legitimate Marijuana studies to look at - there is no shortage of solid data for all to see
But honestly - whats your point...?


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You can play libertarian all day, but in western democratic govt. , society cares for the disabled.
That's not an answer
That's a blanket statement about socialized medicine

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Disabled? So, like someone who gets drunk, wrecks their car and cripples themselves for life? Ban alcohol now!
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Grizalltheway wrote:Disabled? So, like someone who gets drunk, wrecks their car and cripples themselves for life? Ban alcohol now!

Guns disable people too right..?

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Chizzang wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote:Disabled? So, like someone who gets drunk, wrecks their car and cripples themselves for life? Ban alcohol now!

Guns disable people too right..?

:rofl:
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Fine. Make people aware of the study results then let them smoke pot if they want to. Their choice.

Not an experimental study by the way. Doesn't tell you whether people have less grey matter due to pot smoking or if people who have less grey matter tend to smoke pot. And the article alludes to that:
Even now, however, the authors of the study acknowledge that they cannot discern whether a pot smoker's smaller orbital frontal cortex is the cause or the result of chronic marijuana use.
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When that "first puff of the day" hits my frontal lobe...I really don't mind that it's responsible for shrinking the rest of my brain. :twocents:
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Casual Pot Smoking Causes Brain Damage

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http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2014/04/1 ... our-brain/
If you thought smoking a joint occasionally was OK, a new study released Tuesday suggests you might want to reconsider.
The study, published in the Journal of Neuroscience, is the first to link casual marijuana use to major changes in the brain. And according to the researchers, the degree of abnormalities is based on the number of joints you smoke in a week.Using different types of neuroimaging, researchers examined the brains of 40 young adults between the ages of 18 and 25 who were enrolled in Boston-area colleges. Twenty of them smoked marijuana at least once a week. The other 20 did not use pot at all.The marijuana smokers were asked to track their cannabis use for 90 days. All were given high-resolution MRIs, and users and non-users’ results were compared.
Researchers examined regions of the brain involved in emotional processing, motivation and reward, called the nucleus accumbens and the amygdala.  They analyzed volume, shape and density of grey matter — where most cells in brain tissue are located.“I think the findings that there are observable differences in brain structure with marijuana even in these young adult recreational users indicate that there are significant effects of marijuana on the brain,” says Dr. Jodi Gilman, lead author and a researcher in the Massachusetts General Center for Addiction Medicine. “Those differences were exposure-dependent, meaning those who used more marijuana had greater abnormalities.”More than a third of the group — seven of the 20 — only used pot recreationally once or twice a week. The median use was six joints a week, but there were four people who said they smoked more than 20 joints a week. None of the users reported any problems with school, work, legal issues, parents or relationships, according to Dr. Hans Breiter, co-senior author of the study and a professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences at Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine.“There’s a general idea out there that casual use of marijuana does not lead to bad effects, so we started out to investigate that very directly,” Breiter said. “This research with the other studies we have done have led me to be extremely concerned about the effects of marijuana in adolescents and young adults and to consider that we may need to be very careful about legalization policies and possibly consider how to prevent anyone under age 25 to 30 from using marijuana at all.”
Researchers have long been concerned about the effects of marijuana on the developing brain — teens and adolescents under the age of 25. Preliminary research has shown that early onset smokers are slower at tasks, have lower IQs later in life and even have a higher risk of stroke.Dr. Staci Gruber, director of the Cognitive and Clinical Neuroimaging Core at McLean Hospital in Boston and a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School, has conducted numerous studies on marijuana use and brain function.“This data certainly confirms what others have reported with regard to changes in brain structure,” she said. “When we consider the findings of the Gilman … study with our own and other investigations of marijuana use, it’s clear that further investigation is warranted, specifically for individuals in emerging adulthood, as exposure during a period of developmental vulnerability may result in neurophysiologic changes which may have long-term implications.”Gruber says we need to take a closer look at all pot users whether they smoke once or twice a week or four or time times a week. And she had this advice for adolescents: “Don’t do it early–prior to age 16. That’s what our data suggests, that regular use of marijuana prior to age 16 is associated with greater difficulty of tasks requiring judgment, planning and inhibitory function as well as changes in brain function and white matter microstructure relative to those who start later.”According to the National Survey on Drug Use and Health, in 2012 nearly 19 million Americans used marijuana. It’s the most-used illegal drug in the country and use is increasing among teenagers and young adults.Results of the new study match those of animal studies, authors say, showing that when rats are given tetrahydrocannabinol, or THC — the ingredient in marijuana the gets you high — their brains rewire and new connections are formed.Gilman thinks when people start to become addicted to substances, their brains form these new connections too.“The next important thing to investigate is how these structural abnormalities relate to functional outcomes,” she said. “Currently we don’t know how much marijuana is safe and I think this study shows that we should be cautious about marijuana use in adolescents and young adults whose developing brain may be even more susceptible to cannabis-induced changes.”
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You don;t even read your own posted articles do you T-man...
Who would ever argue that ELEVEN joints a week is casual use and wouldn't have negative effects on the brain

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Casually smoking eleven joints a week is NOT A GOOD IDEA
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JohnStOnge wrote:Fine. Make people aware of the study results then let them smoke pot if they want to. Their choice.

Not an experimental study by the way. Doesn't tell you whether people have less grey matter due to pot smoking or if people who have less grey matter tend to smoke pot. And the article alludes to that:
Even now, however, the authors of the study acknowledge that they cannot discern whether a pot smoker's smaller orbital frontal cortex is the cause or the result of chronic marijuana use.
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Chizzang wrote:Who would ever argue that ELEVEN joints a week is casual use
The CNN author did
..and wouldn't have negative effects on the brain

Apparently, several posters on this thread
Hippie, personally, I could give a **** if people smoke pot.

What I'm (successfully) demonstrating is the visceral denial by users, which is amplified when contrasted to alcohol, AND, even many schedule II narcotics (including opiates).
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But your article from the LA times ( Liberal rag!!) proves that it isn't certain.


For a person that doesn't care, you sure are doing a lot of research. Just sayin...
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Ibanez wrote:But your article from the LA times ( Liberal rag!!) proves that it isn't certain.


For a person that doesn't care, you sure are doing a lot of research. Just sayin...
First, the L.A. Times and CNN articles are talking about two different studies discussing two DIFFERENT negative injuries resulting from chronic and casual use.

Second, for someone who rarely reads articles or studies, and virtually NEVER does research to support their opinion, I understand how you might perceive a few minutes of Googling as being ,"...a lot of research."

Just sayin'.
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