War In Ferguson

[ASUG8]

They are fighting racism and injustice and something like that. What a bunch of children. Let's destroy our town when we don't get what we want. How about they riot for all the blacks killing blacks!? **** pathetic

I agree, however, Prince gave a concert and gave all of the MONEY to non profits in Chicago. However, this does not get any news coverage. In my City (Atlanta), my fraternity has started a mentoring program from boys 4-13. Studies show that this should start before 13 when most boys get into real trouble.

Good to hear klean

[93henfan]

They are fighting racism and injustice and something like that. What a bunch of children. Let's destroy our town when we don't get what we want. How about they riot for all the blacks killing blacks!? **** pathetic

I agree, however, Prince gave a concert and gave all of the MONEY to non profits in Chicago. However, this does not get any news coverage. In my City (Atlanta), my fraternity has started a mentoring program from boys 4-13. Studies show that this should start before 13 when most boys get into real trouble.

Maybe mentor them to use rubbers.

Thanks,
America

[tribe_pride]

This is not completely true. They may or may not know be able to say whether there is an indictment or not (am not sure) [At least in Missouri, and I believe in other jurisdictions], it is a misdemeanor to speak about what went on with the grand jury. The Prosecutor needed special permission from the judge to release and speak about what he did.

In that way, a grand jury is very different than a regular jury

Yeah, I'm not sure. Some legal "analyst" on one of the stations discussed this. They were wondering why it was taking so long to release the info. As I stated earlier, they wanted to ensure the businesses had a chance to close and get their employees home. But that they feared a leak of information if they waited any longer.

I think the prosecutor screwed up by saying they would immediately release all info as opposed to saying something such as "shortly after the press conference". People expect all info to go public immediately and this is not done for Grand Juries. The only reason this grand jury info was released (and only reason it went in front of the Grand Jury) was to try to cut down on potential violence, which it turns out was not going to happen either way.

It is unfortunate that he died but some people refuse to look at the facts that were presented to the Grand Jury who made the hard decision not to return an indictment. It would have been easier for them to return an indictment so the officer could have gone to trial and they could have passed the buck to the jury trial. They did their job and analyzed all the information in front of them which shows that there was no probably cause to indict the officer.

Agree with your leak comments though and reason for timing of the announcement. I have no issue with them waiting until the evening for the reason that you stated.

[tribe_pride]

*whew

I was considering going out and purchasing a case of bottled water
You know, just in case the world came to an end

This just in:
Turns out its just some idiots burning their own town
Because that solves everything

They are fighting racism and injustice and something like that. What a bunch of children. Let's destroy our town when we don't get what we want. How about they riot for all the blacks killing blacks!? **** pathetic

I know we won't get the numbers but I would actually like to know how much of the violence, looting, burning, etc. was led by locals and how much by the people who decided they were going to go to Ferguson to make a statement. I have no doubt that Fergusonites were involved at least to an extent in some of it but I would be more hard pressed to trust those who drove or flew to Ferguson recently to make a point.

[CAA Flagship]

Glad you survived Flaggy. Can you see and smell the smoke from burning tires from your place?

No. I'm upwind.

But this shit is hitting closer to home. Here is an email I got this morning:

As a result of the grand jury coming to a decision in the Michael Brown case, our Charles Schwab Clayton branch at 7700 Bonhomme Avenue is temporarily closed.

We want to take every precaution to ensure the safety of our clients and employees until such time as there is greater stability in the community.

Meh. I'll survive I guess.

[Skjellyfetti]

Maybe mentor them to use rubbers.

Thanks,
America

Abstinence only, you heathen!

[YoUDeeMan]

I agree, however, Prince gave a concert and gave all of the MONEY to non profits in Chicago. However, this does not get any news coverage. In my City (Atlanta), my fraternity has started a mentoring program from boys 4-13. Studies show that this should start before 13 when most boys get into real trouble.

Maybe mentor them to use rubbers.

Thanks,
America

If racist people like kkklean are mentoring young Blacks, that is only going to exasperate the problem.

[houndawg]

This is not completely true. They may or may not know be able to say whether there is an indictment or not (am not sure) [At least in Missouri, and I believe in other jurisdictions], it is a misdemeanor to speak about what went on with the grand jury. The Prosecutor needed special permission from the judge to release and speak about what he did.

In that way, a grand jury is very different than a regular jury

Yeah, I'm not sure. Some legal "analyst" on one of the stations discussed this. They were wondering why it was taking so long to release the info. As I stated earlier, they wanted to ensure the businesses had a chance to close and get their employees home. But that they feared a leak of information if they waited any longer.

They've been leaking information since two days after the event. Wilson sent his girlfriend to the radio to leak his side of the story, the cops leaked the pics from the alleged robbery, they leaked the fractured eye socket story...... nobody within 100 miles of St. Louis, black or white, ever thought there would be an indictment. Cops ain't ham sandwiches ya know...

[YoUDeeMan]

14 businesses and 2 police cars burned -- so far.

Is that any different from a normal night in Ferguson?

[houndawg]

Maybe mentor them to use rubbers.

Thanks,
America

If racist people like kkklean are mentoring young Blacks, that is only going to exasperate the problem.

(exacerbate)

[mrklean]

Maybe mentor them to use rubbers.

Thanks,
America

If racist people like kkklean are mentoring young Blacks, that is only going to exasperate the problem.

from the bigot

[CAA Flagship]

14 businesses and 2 police cars burned -- so far.

*whew

I was considering going out and purchasing a case of bottled water
You know, just in case the world came to an end

This just in:
Turns out its just some idiots burning their own town
Because that solves everything

In all fairness, there were many cases of self policing from the legal protestors. I give credit to them for that.
However, it is the legal protestors' failure to recognize the potential for wide scale vandalism that has caused this. Their complaining about the militaristic response in August caused the police and NG to not prevent the damage. Maybe it saved lives (by not being confrontational), but Ferguson is a mess and the residents will have to deal with it. It may not have been THEIR actions that caused the damage, but THEIR simpleton response to the case provided the platform for the lawless actions.

[kalm]

The US is back at pre-1968 levels with regard to racial and class divides.

Thanks Obama.

[CAA Flagship]

Yeah, I'm not sure. Some legal "analyst" on one of the stations discussed this. They were wondering why it was taking so long to release the info. As I stated earlier, they wanted to ensure the businesses had a chance to close and get their employees home. But that they feared a leak of information if they waited any longer.

They've been leaking information since two days after the event. Wilson sent his girlfriend to the radio to leak his side of the story, the cops leaked the pics from the alleged robbery, they leaked the fractured eye socket story...... nobody within 100 miles of St. Louis, black or white, ever thought there would be an indictment. Cops ain't ham sandwiches ya know...

That is not a "leak" of information. That is no different than the eyewitness accounts that you heard from the media. Any evidence or testimony in the case is not a "leak". We have heard a lot from the "eyewitnesses" and the autopsy from the Brown family pathologist. Only the verdict would be a leak. And the pics and video from the robbery was released as a result of the FOIA.

[tribe_pride]

Yeah, I'm not sure. Some legal "analyst" on one of the stations discussed this. They were wondering why it was taking so long to release the info. As I stated earlier, they wanted to ensure the businesses had a chance to close and get their employees home. But that they feared a leak of information if they waited any longer.

They've been leaking information since two days after the event. Wilson sent his girlfriend to the radio to leak his side of the story, the cops leaked the pics from the alleged robbery, they leaked the fractured eye socket story...... nobody within 100 miles of St. Louis, black or white, ever thought there would be an indictment. Cops ain't ham sandwiches ya know...

Do you really have a problem with Wilson defending himself in the media though (whether through himself or his now wife)? You had others going out doing interviews and telling what they claimed they saw (some of which were disproven, some of which was not). You only had to believe that Wilson would at least try to defend himself to a degree as well.

From a lawyer's standpoint, there is only so much you want your potential defendant client to say in the public but this may have been necessary just from his own livelihood standpoint.

[andy7171]

They are fighting racism and injustice and something like that. What a bunch of children. Let's destroy our town when we don't get what we want. How about they riot for all the blacks killing blacks!? **** pathetic

I agree, however, Prince gave a concert and gave all of the MONEY to non profits in Chicago. However, this does not get any news coverage. In my City (Atlanta), my fraternity has started a mentoring program from boys 4-13. Studies show that this should start before 13 when most boys get into real trouble.

[houndawg]

They've been leaking information since two days after the event. Wilson sent his girlfriend to the radio to leak his side of the story, the cops leaked the pics from the alleged robbery, they leaked the fractured eye socket story...... nobody within 100 miles of St. Louis, black or white, ever thought there would be an indictment. Cops ain't ham sandwiches ya know...

That is not a "leak" of information. That is no different than the eyewitness accounts that you heard from the media. Any evidence or testimony in the case is not a "leak". We have heard a lot from the "eyewitnesses" and the autopsy from the Brown family pathologist. Only the verdict would be a leak. And the pics and video from the robbery was released as a result of the FOIA.

...he was on paid leave and, presumably, told to not talk to the media. My point stands: there have been leaks from the beginning, all from the cops side.

[houndawg]

Yeah, I'm not sure. Some legal "analyst" on one of the stations discussed this. They were wondering why it was taking so long to release the info. As I stated earlier, they wanted to ensure the businesses had a chance to close and get their employees home. But that they feared a leak of information if they waited any longer.

I think the prosecutor screwed up by saying they would immediately release all info as opposed to saying something such as "shortly after the press conference". People expect all info to go public immediately and this is not done for Grand Juries. The only reason this grand jury info was released (and only reason it went in front of the Grand Jury) was to try to cut down on potential violence, which it turns out was not going to happen either way.

It is unfortunate that he died but some people refuse to look at the facts that were presented to the Grand Jury who made the hard decision not to return an indictment. It would have been easier for them to return an indictment so the officer could have gone to trial and they could have passed the buck to the jury trial. They did their job and analyzed all the information in front of them which shows that there was no probably cause to indict the officer.

Agree with your leak comments though and reason for timing of the announcement. I have no issue with them waiting until the evening for the reason that you stated.

Gotta get this unpleasantness over with before the shopping season starts Friday...

[YoUDeeMan]

If racist people like kkklean are mentoring young Blacks, that is only going to exasperate the problem.

(exacerbate)

kkklean is indeed, irritating, at best.

[YoUDeeMan]

If racist people like kkklean are mentoring young Blacks, that is only going to exasperate the problem.

from the bigot

from the racist.

[CAA Flagship]

That is not a "leak" of information. That is no different than the eyewitness accounts that you heard from the media. Any evidence or testimony in the case is not a "leak". We have heard a lot from the "eyewitnesses" and the autopsy from the Brown family pathologist. Only the verdict would be a leak. And the pics and video from the robbery was released as a result of the FOIA.

...he was on paid leave and, presumably, told to not talk to the media. My point stands: there have been leaks from the beginning, all from the cops side.

Anyone's viewpoint of what happened is not a leak. Forensic results might be a leak. But if the full evidence was released from the first minute, instead of "eyewitness" statements to the media, the posture of the public may have been more centric.

[CAA Flagship]

I think the prosecutor screwed up by saying they would immediately release all info as opposed to saying something such as "shortly after the press conference". People expect all info to go public immediately and this is not done for Grand Juries. The only reason this grand jury info was released (and only reason it went in front of the Grand Jury) was to try to cut down on potential violence, which it turns out was not going to happen either way.

It is unfortunate that he died but some people refuse to look at the facts that were presented to the Grand Jury who made the hard decision not to return an indictment. It would have been easier for them to return an indictment so the officer could have gone to trial and they could have passed the buck to the jury trial. They did their job and analyzed all the information in front of them which shows that there was no probably cause to indict the officer.

Agree with your leak comments though and reason for timing of the announcement. I have no issue with them waiting until the evening for the reason that you stated.

Gotta get this unpleasantness over with before the shopping season starts Friday...

It was stated that deliberations took just over two days. At that point, the verdict goes to the judge and is made public. Stop with the conspiracy theory.

[CitadelGrad]

14 businesses and 2 police cars burned -- so far.

Is that any different from a normal night in Ferguson?

Yeah, it is. They usually just rob those businesses and shoot each other.

Now the Ferguson niqqers won't have any place near home to shoplift from. I guess they'll have to go to Florissant or Normandy now.

[houndawg]

...he was on paid leave and, presumably, told to not talk to the media. My point stands: there have been leaks from the beginning, all from the cops side.

Anyone's viewpoint of what happened is not a leak. Forensic results might be a leak. But if the full evidence was released from the first minute, instead of "eyewitness" statements to the media, the posture of the public may have been more centric.

Are you saying that the cops should have released the pics from the store sooner and the chief of police shouldn't have said the events were not related, and that the cops should have released the information about the fractured eye socket sooner for the public's edification?

[CAA Flagship]

Anyone's viewpoint of what happened is not a leak. Forensic results might be a leak. But if the full evidence was released from the first minute, instead of "eyewitness" statements to the media, the posture of the public may have been more centric.

Are you saying that the cops should have released the pics from the store sooner and the chief of police shouldn't have said the events were not related, and that the cops should have released the information about the fractured eye socket sooner for the public's edification?

The two key points of evidence, as I see it, are:
1. That Brown was the aggressor at the car. It was reported that Wilson grabbed him by the neck and was trying to pull him in. I said a long time ago that it is unlikely that anyone can hold a 300 lb person by the neck with one hand when that person has the leverage to push off the vehicle. Also, the fact that Wilson's face was injured on the RIGHT side, rather than the left, is somewhat telling also. It is harder to injure someone on the opposite side of the face if you were trying to get away.
2. The fact that Brown backtracked 25 feet. It was stated that he dropped 153 ft from the car, and that blood was found in the street 25 feet beyond that.

These two explanations were not widely expressed by the media in the hours and days after the incident.

I haven't had a chance to determine where Wilson was in relation to Brown or the car when he fired the gun. I am assuming he was somewhere in between the two. Anybody find info from the transcripts on this?