Uh-OH, Conks. Torture Report Coming…Prepare Your Spin!

[TheDancinMonarch]

The opinion of 8 Democrats in the US Senate. None of whom uttered a whimper of complaint when briefed in secret that these things were going on. Yawn.

[travelinman67]

This has been driven by Sen. Feinstein's ego since the beginning. She was one of the principle architects of the covert interrogation program. When she attempted to shove the blame onto the Conks, the intelligence community turned on her and leaked the truth.
This has been a vendetta-pissing match between Feinstein and the intel community for the past 10 years. Though the investigation "report" was finished two years ago, it wasn't publicly released due to the potential harm in revealing intel methods (operative placement) and programs. While the report doesn't explicitly absolve the Senate Intel Committee members of creation/approval of the methods, the report was spun to specifically protect Sen. Feinstein, cherry-picking committee briefings, chronologically, then summarizing content to omit the truth.
Now that Reid & Assoc. are out the door, this was Feinstein's last chance to win the pissing match.

Notable:
That Reid, Feinstein, and Sen. Dem leadership have chosen to compromise national security for the sake of their personal vanity and ego.
That most Americans understand that while the interrogation methods were beyond the scope of past practices, our nation was involved in a global war, people were dying, and the interrogation results unquestionably saved thousands of lives.
That most Americans (60%+), don't give a flippin, friggin, fuck about "he said/she said" politics, as this report typifies, WHEN IT DOESN'T BENEFICIALLY CONTRIBUTE TO OUR NATION'S SECURITY OF PROSPERITY.
That this thread further ingrains Cappy as the thoughtless King of Hate.

Jeezus...

[D1B]

Benghazi = Baldy's new WMD's in Iraq

The Secret Casualties of Iraq’s Abandoned Chemical Weapons

The soldiers at the blast crater sensed something was wrong.

It was August 2008 near Taji, Iraq. They had just exploded a stack of old Iraqi artillery shells buried beside a murky lake. The blast, part of an effort to destroy munitions that could be used in makeshift bombs, uncovered more shells.

Two technicians assigned to dispose of munitions stepped into the hole. Lake water seeped in. One of them, Specialist Andrew T. Goldman, noticed a pungent odor, something, he said, he had never smelled before.

He lifted a shell. Oily paste oozed from a crack. “That doesn’t look like pond water,” said his team leader, Staff Sgt. Eric J. Duling.

The specialist swabbed the shell with chemical detection paper. It turned red — indicating sulfur mustard, the chemical warfare agent designed to burn a victim’s airway, skin and eyes.

All three men recall an awkward pause. Then Sergeant Duling gave an order: “Get the hell out.”

Five years after President George W. Bush sent troops into Iraq, these soldiers had entered an expansive but largely secret chapter of America’s long and bitter involvement in Iraq.

From 2004 to 2011, American and American-trained Iraqi troops repeatedly encountered, and on at least six occasions were wounded by, chemical weapons remaining from years earlier in Saddam Hussein’s rule.

In all, American troops secretly reported finding roughly 5,000 chemical warheads, shells or aviation bombs, according to interviews with dozens of participants, Iraqi and American officials, and heavily redacted intelligence documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act.

The United States had gone to war declaring it must destroy an active weapons of mass destruction program. Instead, American troops gradually found and ultimately suffered from the remnants of long-abandoned programs, built in close collaboration with the West.

The New York Times found 17 American service members and seven Iraqi police officers who were exposed to nerve or mustard agents after 2003. American officials said that the actual tally of exposed troops was slightly higher, but that the government’s official count was classified.

The secrecy fit a pattern. Since the outset of the war, the scale of the United States’ encounters with chemical weapons in Iraq was neither publicly shared nor widely circulated within the military. These encounters carry worrisome implications now that the Islamic State, a Qaeda splinter group, controls much of the territory where the weapons were found.

Leave it to Dingleberry#1 to hijack his own brothers thread with an argument he has lost once before.
You've been pretty careful over the past 10 years or so to tip toe around your embarrassment in that thread.

WARNING:
There is no statute of limitations for making you look like an idiot again.

Battered woman syndrome.

Still sensitive, after all these years!!

Yeah, we found WMD's in Iraq, here they are:



Snakes



Black Cats



Party Poppers



Caps



And Bubble wrap!!!

Baldy, you're priceless.

[Grizalltheway]

All that article really does is confirm what idiotic failures your boy W. and his crew were...

No shit, Bieber. It is a NYT article after all.

You were still suckin' mom's tit when this was happening, let the adults talk here.
When the conversation turns to skinny jeans and feminine hygiene products, we'll be sure to get your input.
Capiche?

So why cite it if it doesn't support the point (whatever the fuck that is) you're trying to make?

[Baldy]

Flailing

[Baldy]

No shit, Bieber. It is a NYT article after all.

You were still suckin' mom's tit when this was happening, let the adults talk here.
When the conversation turns to skinny jeans and feminine hygiene products, we'll be sure to get your input.
Capiche?

So why cite it if it doesn't support the point (whatever the fuck that is) you're trying to make?

I used a NYT article because even the liberal bastions like them are now admitting that there were WMD's in Iraq.

[D1B]

More of Baldy's WMD's:



Water balloons!



Lawn Darts!



Rocks



Fly Swatter



Sneezing Powder

long live Baldy.

[Grizalltheway]

So why cite it if it doesn't support the point (whatever the fuck that is) you're trying to make?

I used a NYT article because even the liberal bastions like them are now admitting that there were WMD's in Iraq.

Fine, but the issue is the war was sold to the public on the grounds that they had an active WMD program that was an imminent threat to the US. You know, the whole "mushroom cloud smoking gun" thing?

[D1B]

I used a NYT article because even the liberal bastions like them are now admitting that there were WMD's in Iraq.

Fine, but the issue is the war was sold to the public on the grounds that they had an active WMD program that was an imminent threat to the US. You know, the whole "mushroom cloud smoking gun" thing?

Another Baldy WMD:

[houndawg]

This has been driven by Sen. Feinstein's ego since the beginning. She was one of the principle architects of the covert interrogation program. When she attempted to shove the blame onto the Conks, the intelligence community turned on her and leaked the truth.
This has been a vendetta-pissing match between Feinstein and the intel community for the past 10 years. Though the investigation "report" was finished two years ago, it wasn't publicly released due to the potential harm in revealing intel methods (operative placement) and programs. While the report doesn't explicitly absolve the Senate Intel Committee members of creation/approval of the methods, the report was spun to specifically protect Sen. Feinstein, cherry-picking committee briefings, chronologically, then summarizing content to omit the truth.
Now that Reid & Assoc. are out the door, this was Feinstein's last chance to win the pissing match.

Notable:
That Reid, Feinstein, and Sen. Dem leadership have chosen to compromise national security for the sake of their personal vanity and ego.
That most Americans understand that while the interrogation methods were beyond the scope of past practices, our nation was involved in a global war, people were dying, and the interrogation results unquestionably saved thousands of lives.
That most Americans (60%+), don't give a flippin, friggin, **** about "he said/she said" politics, as this report typifies, WHEN IT DOESN'T BENEFICIALLY CONTRIBUTE TO OUR NATION'S SECURITY OF PROSPERITY.
That this thread further ingrains Cappy as the thoughtless King of Hate.

Jeezus...

Even John McCain thinks you're full of shit, teabaggedman.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli ... /20144015/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Why don't you take a few days off? You're burned out and you've lost your drive.

[travelinman67]

Fine, but the issue is the war was sold to the public on the grounds that they had an active WMD program that was an imminent threat to the US. You know, the whole "mushroom cloud smoking gun" thing?

Keep repeating the lie, Brownshirt...

It will NEVER become the truth.

From the Iraq Resolution. Three threats asserted.

ONLY ONE includes the qualification of an "active" element: "seeking a nuclear weapons capability".

Whereas Iraq both poses a continuing threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region and remains in material and unacceptable breach of its international obligations by, among other things, continuing to possess and develop a significant chemical and biological weapons capability, actively seeking a nuclear weapons capability, and supporting and harboring terrorist organizations;

Look...we get it.

Cappy, D1B and Baby Alinsky Brownshirt had a line for breakfast and can't stop talking.

Your inability to stop puking crap doesn't change reality.

Really.

Look at D1B's posts.

Desperation, personified.

[D1B]

Fine, but the issue is the war was sold to the public on the grounds that they had an active WMD program that was an imminent threat to the US. You know, the whole "mushroom cloud smoking gun" thing?

Keep repeating the lie, Brownshirt...

It will NEVER become the truth.

From the Iraq Resolution. Three threats asserted.

ONLY ONE includes the qualification of an "active" element: "seeking a nuclear weapons capability".

Whereas Iraq both poses a continuing threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region and remains in material and unacceptable breach of its international obligations by, among other things, continuing to possess and develop a significant chemical and biological weapons capability, actively seeking a nuclear weapons capability, and supporting and harboring terrorist organizations;

Look...we get it.

Cappy, D1B and Baby Alinsky Brownshirt had a line for breakfast and can't stop talking.

Your inability to stop puking crap doesn't change reality.

Really.

Look at D1B's posts.

Desperation, personified.

What a dork!

Take a break Tbagger.

[Baldy]

[Baldy]

Fine, but the issue is the war was sold to the public on the grounds that they had an active WMD program that was an imminent threat to the US. You know, the whole "mushroom cloud smoking gun" thing?

Keep repeating the lie, Brownshirt...

It will NEVER become the truth.

From the Iraq Resolution. Three threats asserted.

ONLY ONE includes the qualification of an "active" element: "seeking a nuclear weapons capability".

Whereas Iraq both poses a continuing threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region and remains in material and unacceptable breach of its international obligations by, among other things, continuing to possess and develop a significant chemical and biological weapons capability, actively seeking a nuclear weapons capability, and supporting and harboring terrorist organizations;

Look...we get it.

Cappy, D1B and Baby Alinsky Brownshirt had a line for breakfast and can't stop talking.

Your inability to stop puking crap doesn't change reality.

Really.

Look at D1B's posts.

Desperation, personified.

D1b doing what he does when he steps on his dick...deflect.
It's not hard to prove him wrong, he just tries to drown out facts with pictures, bold fonts, and stupidity.

[travelinman67]

D1b...
It's not hard to prove him wrong, he just tries to drown out facts with pictures, bold fonts, and stupidity.

In all fairness, it's a genetic trait.

[Wedgebuster]

D1b...
It's not hard to prove him wrong, he just tries to drown out farts with pictures, bold fonts, and stupidity.

In all fairness, it's a genetic trait.

Fixed it.

[JohnStOnge]

I still say that calling the stuff they're talking about "torture" is kind of diminishing the significance of the concept of torture. Sure, at the extreme, we can call a lot of things torture. To me listening to rap music over the PA system when I go to a football game is torture.

The stuff described at http://io9.com/the-10-most-gruesome-tor ... 1626942115" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;, for example, is torture. For example:

7. Rat Torture

Rats have also been employed to perform torture. There were many variants, but a common technique was to force a starving rat through a victim's body (usually the intestines) as a way to escape.

To make it work, prisoners were completely restrained and tied to the ground or any horizontal surface. A rat was then placed on the stomach covered by a metallic container, which was gradually heated. The rat began to look for a way out, which inevitably meant through the victim's body. Digging through the body usually took a few hours, resulting in a painful and gruesome death.

Calling stuff like sleep deprivation and water boarding "torture" is really kind of ludicrous to me. To me it shows a lack of historical perspective of what "torture" has been understood to be.

[houndawg]

I still say that calling the stuff they're talking about "torture" is kind of diminishing the significance of the concept of torture. Sure, at the extreme, we can call a lot of things torture. To me listening to rap music over the PA system when I go to a football game is torture.

The stuff described at http://io9.com/the-10-most-gruesome-tor ... 1626942115" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;, for example, is torture. For example:

7. Rat Torture

Rats have also been employed to perform torture. There were many variants, but a common technique was to force a starving rat through a victim's body (usually the intestines) as a way to escape.

To make it work, prisoners were completely restrained and tied to the ground or any horizontal surface. A rat was then placed on the stomach covered by a metallic container, which was gradually heated. The rat began to look for a way out, which inevitably meant through the victim's body. Digging through the body usually took a few hours, resulting in a painful and gruesome death.

Calling stuff like sleep deprivation and water boarding "torture" is really kind of ludicrous to me. To me it shows a lack of historical perspective of what "torture" has been understood to be.

I don't believe the point exists that you are unable to miss.

The point isn't what you call it. The point is that it doesn't work.

[JohnStOnge]

The point isn't what you call it. The point is that it doesn't work.

That is in dispute.

Besides, I'm not missing the point in terms of what I'm getting at.

And the point is that, whether it works or not, it's ridiculous to call things like water boarding and sleep deprivation "torture."

If you told me ahead of time that I was going to be tortured if I was captured I'd be very concerned. But then if you told me what you're talking about is water boarding or sleep deprivation I'd be extremely relieved.

That's because when you said I'd be tortured I'd think of stuff like the stuff at that link I posted above. I don't care HOW bad water boarding is when you experience it. I'd know it doesn't really hurt you or damage you. And sleep deprivation? OK it'd be unpleasant. But it's not like the stuff at that link I posted.

[houndawg]

The point isn't what you call it. The point is that it doesn't work.

That is in dispute.

Besides, I'm not missing the point in terms of what I'm getting at.

And the point is that, whether it works or not, it's ridiculous to call things like water boarding and sleep deprivation "torture."

If you told me ahead of time that I was going to be tortured if I was captured I'd be very concerned. But then if you told me what you're talking about is water boarding or sleep deprivation I'd be extremely relieved.

That's because when you said I'd be tortured I'd think of stuff like the stuff at that link I posted above. I don't care HOW bad water boarding is when you experience it. I'd know it doesn't really hurt you or damage you. And sleep deprivation? OK it'd be unpleasant. But it's not like the stuff at that link I posted.

No, it isn't. It really isn't.

[Ivytalk]

Dianne Feinstein should be condemned to roast in hell, with Cap'n Cat ordered to eat her out for eternity.

[D1B]

D1b...
It's not hard to prove him wrong, he just tries to drown out facts with pictures, bold fonts, and stupidity.

In all fairness, it's a genetic trait.

Tbag and Boldlie! How cute!

[Grizalltheway]

Dianne Feinstein should be condemned to roast in hell, with Cap'n Cat ordered to eat her out for eternity.

Cheney and Rummie will be too busy Eifel Tower-ing her.

[travelinman67]

That is in dispute.

Besides, I'm not missing the point in terms of what I'm getting at.

And the point is that, whether it works or not, it's ridiculous to call things like water boarding and sleep deprivation "torture."

If you told me ahead of time that I was going to be tortured if I was captured I'd be very concerned. But then if you told me what you're talking about is water boarding or sleep deprivation I'd be extremely relieved.

That's because when you said I'd be tortured I'd think of stuff like the stuff at that link I posted above. I don't care HOW bad water boarding is when you experience it. I'd know it doesn't really hurt you or damage you. And sleep deprivation? OK it'd be unpleasant. But it's not like the stuff at that link I posted.

No, it isn't. It really isn't.

Yeah, it doesn't work...

...that's why it has been used by every major culture for thousands if years.

You know, Densedawg, you're just plain ol' slow.

[Chizzang]

Goodness gracious its grumpy in here...
You kids all need a nap

Oh I have a question...
No No NO!!!!