Intelligent Design...thread # 25

[SeattleGriz]

While I have a tough time explaining my thoughts, here is a great article that bolsters Intelligent Design very nicely.

Please realize that ID does not have to involve a God. It is fine with finding an "intelligent" universal order like the link below. By the way, I already proposed something like this in a previous thread.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... y-of-life/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[biobengal]

While I have a tough time explaining my thoughts, here is a great article that bolsters Intelligent Design very nicely.

Please realize that ID does not have to involve a God. It is fine with finding an "intelligent" universal order like the link below. By the way, I already proposed something like this in a previous thread.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... y-of-life/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Nice theory, still, as of yet, unproven.

Nothing to do with ID and nothing intelligent about the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.

[Pwns]

For reference...

http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/ ... 5439954399" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[SeattleGriz]

For reference...

http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/ ... 5439954399" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Mother fucker is making a move on MY shit!

[Chizzang]

For additional reference

[SeattleGriz]

For additional reference

Dude! Skelly is SO cute in that photo!

[SeattleGriz]

Enjoy your Darwinian utopia Skelly.

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2015/05/et ... 96021.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[SeattleGriz]

Let's talk junk DNA...

Anyone.

Afraid to get your asses owned?

By the way, I read through the old thread and totally owned all your asses, even though I don't remember. What an ass beating I put on all you pussies. No wonder you have given up.

[CID1990]

Let's talk junk DNA...

Anyone.

Afraid to get your asses owned?

By the way, I read through the old thread and totally owned all your asses, even though I don't remember. What an ass beating I put on all you pussies. No wonder you have given up.

[bandl]

While I have a tough time explaining my thoughts

Maybe not the best start to a thread title starting with "Intelligent"?

[CID1990]

Jesus wants to skull fvck you all over this thread

[SeattleGriz]

Jesus wants to skull fvck you all over this thread

meh. You've had better.

[JohnStOnge]

my point is that scientists are making headway into means other than evolution to prove their point.

Someone may already have said something like this but I do not see the concept of "intelligent design" and evolutionary theory as mutually exclusive.

[Chizzang]

my point is that scientists are making headway into means other than evolution to prove their point.

Someone may already have said something like this but I do not see the concept of "intelligent design" and evolutionary theory as mutually exclusive.

Sure you can call the Evolutionary Processes Intelligent Design if you want..?
I don't see why not

[JohnStOnge]

Sure you can call the Evolutionary Processes Intelligent Design if you want..?
I don't see why not.

The idea is that of a design behind the processes.

[Vidav]

Let's talk junk DNA...

Anyone.

Afraid to get your asses owned?

By the way, I read through the old thread and totally owned all your asses, even though I don't remember. What an ass beating I put on all you pussies. No wonder you have given up.

No such thing.

[Chizzang]

Sure you can call the Evolutionary Processes Intelligent Design if you want..?
I don't see why not.

The idea is that of a design behind the processes.

The word your struggling with is GOD
The supposed designer behind the Evolutionary Process would be (could only be) God
Same idea as the "prime mover"

What makes me laugh
Is when a God person says they don;t believe in Evolution but they do believe in God
So what they're actually saying (but too stupid to actually understand) is their personal
concept of God is so limited and controlled by others that they cannot believe in Evolution

Instead of simply letting go of fundamentalism and exploring the idea that God can be larger
than some ancient text written by iron age dullards



Indeed
Acknowledging that the Evolutionary process is more than likely the real deal
and placing God in front of that as the prime mover is NOT a new idea
its just a fundamentalist destroying idea

The bible is mostly wrong
Monkeys are our friends and family
God still loves us (even after we've discovered these things)

[Ivytalk]

God launched the first trilobites...and the rest is natural history!

[Chizzang]

God launched the first trilobites...and the rest is natural history!

Exactly..!!!

That my friend is THE PRIME MOVER concept as played out on Earth

[CID1990]

God launched the first trilobites...and the rest is natural history!

Exactly..!!!

That my friend is THE PRIME MOVER concept as played out on Earth

Cats and dogs living together, mentos and diet coke holding hands

Now Chitz and Ivy

the end is near

[Ivytalk]

Exactly..!!!

That my friend is THE PRIME MOVER concept as played out on Earth

Cats and dogs living together, mentos and diet coke holding hands

Now Chitz and Ivy

the end is near

Are you a god?

Then DIE!!!!

[Chizzang]

Exactly..!!!

That my friend is THE PRIME MOVER concept as played out on Earth

Cats and dogs living together, mentos and diet coke holding hands

Now Chitz and Ivy

the end is near

Lets not get too carried away here gentlemen...
I am simply pointing out that the Prime Mover perspective is very difficult to argue against
since it can be logically placed at any theoretical point in the debate

depending on how "hands on" you want your version of God to be
Some folks like to say: God issued the Big bang and then let the chips fall (very stand offish)
Others take it one step closer and do the thing that Ivy did (which is cool too)
Others place the prime mover location at Adam and Eve

Etc...
Its smarter (for debate purposes) to move the theoretical prime mover point farther back - but whatever works for you

[JohnStOnge]

s when a God person says they don;t believe in Evolution but they do believe in God
So what they're actually saying (but too stupid to actually understand) is their personal
concept of God is so limited and controlled by others that they cannot believe in Evolution

Instead of simply letting go of fundamentalism and exploring the idea that God can be larger
than some ancient text written by iron age dullards

I think that there are people who are far more intelligent than either you or I who do not believe in the overall theory of evolution. I think you need to be careful about thinking that someone can only disagree with your own world view because they're just not as smart as you are.

I once actually met a science Nobel Prize winner who was a Creationist at the time. Unfortunately can't remember his name. I think he won the Prize in Chemistry. I went to see him because he was advertised as speaking at some big Church and I was intrigued by someone with his credentials speaking in support of Creationism. I actually got to talk to him a little as people were given the opportunity to do that. I asked him some questions. I was not convinced either by his lecture or by his answers to my questions. I went wondering if he REALLY had something and I came way not thinking that he did.

Nevertheless, I have NO doubt that he had a lot higher IQ than I do and I suspect it was a lot higher than yours is as well. Don't KNOW that. But I think he was probably WAY up there on the IQ scale so if I had to bet I'd bet his IQ was higher than that of anybody I interact with on this board.

In retrospect I'm kind of disappointed in myself for not making a record of his name, etc., so I could provide that when I relate the story. It was back in the 1980s and all I remember is the general situation, being intrigued by a Nobel Prize winner in the sciences speaking in support of Creationism, and going away thinking he didn't really make that good a case.

[kalm]

s when a God person says they don;t believe in Evolution but they do believe in God
So what they're actually saying (but too stupid to actually understand) is their personal
concept of God is so limited and controlled by others that they cannot believe in Evolution

Instead of simply letting go of fundamentalism and exploring the idea that God can be larger
than some ancient text written by iron age dullards

I think that there are people who are far more intelligent than either you or I who do not believe in the overall theory of evolution. I think you need to be careful about thinking that someone can only disagree with your own world view because they're just not as smart as you are.

I once actually met a science Nobel Prize winner who was a Creationist at the time. Unfortunately can't remember his name. I think he won the Prize in Chemistry. I went to see him because he was advertised as speaking at some big Church and I was intrigued by someone with his credentials speaking in support of Creationism. I actually got to talk to him a little as people were given the opportunity to do that. I asked him some questions. I was not convinced either by his lecture or by his answers to my questions. I went wondering if he REALLY had something and I came way not thinking that he did.

Nevertheless, I have NO doubt that he had a lot higher IQ than I do and I suspect it was a lot higher than yours is as well. Don't KNOW that. But I think he was probably WAY up there on the IQ scale so if I had to bet I'd bet his IQ was higher than that of anybody I interact with on this board.

In retrospect I'm kind of disappointed in myself for not making a record of his name, etc., so I could provide that when I relate the story. It was back in the 1980s and all I remember is the general situation, being intrigued by a Nobel Prize winner in the sciences speaking in support of Creationism, and going away thinking he didn't really make that good a case.

1). Evolution is a world view?

2). Does high IQ = smart?

[JohnStOnge]

On the "prime mover" thing: I think that to go with intelligent design you have to go with "intervention" at least through the development of the system for storing and transmitting genetic information.