All politicians are cowards

[TwinTownBisonFan]

Absolutely under NO circumstances LOBBYISTS are FORBIDDEN. They are just like CEOs, greedy and power hungry. Dispicable swine.

I know too many lobbyists to believe that... lobbyists are the latest boogeymen used as an strawman.

[danefan]

Absolutely under NO circumstances LOBBYISTS are FORBIDDEN. They are just like CEOs, greedy and power hungry. Dispicable swine.

Z in 3, 2, 1...

Those statement used to only include reference to lawyers.

Just wait - it will be someone else next.........

[OL FU]

Jon,

what could they do? even if they did know, and know full well... what could they have done? they didn't have the majority until '07 (so they couldn't even call hearings before then)... and in 07-08... they still didn't have the votes to impeach... the white house hid all of this stuff under the guise of "executive privilege" and shut down all investigations... they were downing the football for almost two years on the dems... and there was little recourse for pursuing any of it.

i worked for a fairly senior dem in 07 - and the thing that was impressed upon me was that while they were doing stuff that could and should have gotten them impeached, not a single Republican could be counted on to cross the line and take the vote to do so.

as for the crack about "all politicians" i'm tired of it... it's the province of lazy minds... most members of congress are pretty decent people making incredibly hard decisions.

it's funny, there was a comment above about how "they won't make a hard vote, or they have their finger in the wind" and then... if they make the hard decision the bitching about "not representing their constituents" gets rolling... so which do you want?... because you can't have both.

I want them to tell me what the stand for and which way they would vote and take they chance that they would lose if they are honest.


PS, although I argued with Cap'n Cat, I do think most go to DC with the best of intentions. I do think most are honorable. And I do think most of the time they are hard working and work toward goals they believe in .However, I do think most end up sticking their finger in the wind and talking out of both sides of their mouth to protect their own rear ends. I don't know what Pelosi knew or didn't know but I would rather and I think most people would rather a politician say I made a mistake. IT was one of the interesting things about Clinton and Lewinsky that always amazed me. I understand the wife issue and so forth and so on. But you are an elected representative. If Bill would have simply admitted it, the whole thing would never have been a big deal (not raising Clinton issues it was an example. I would have used Nixon but I think he was in so deep there was no hope that his transgressions would have gone away.)

These are not a people running a machine or running a Company. Their fidudicary responsibility is to US. They owe us honesty.

[wkuhillhound]

Z in 3, 2, 1...

Those statement used to only include reference to lawyers.

Just wait - it will be someone else next.........

Probably. Hedge fund people comes to mind, Bernie Madoff, off to jail getting his freak on for 147 years.

[grizzaholic]

It is becoming more and more evident on a daily basis.

Pelosi/Reid were lied to, but they also had inklings of what was going on, and failed to act.

Now they are covering their hides.




I am ready to start a new party - who's with me???

So.....you are jumping off the OBAMA wagon?

[Ibanez]

Throw in gay marriage as a State's Rights issue and i'm in.

As long as the Federal Government recognizes them...

AS long as you are legally together, pay taxes and enjoy the benefits do you NEED the gov't to recognize it?

[native]

The Common Sense Party: free economy, strong but noninterventionist defense, rule of law, and libertarian on social issues. Works for me!

Great ideas! Add strict construction of the U.S. Constitution (especially the 10th amendment), abolishment of the IRS, and a reduction in the size of government, and I'm in!

[TwinTownBisonFan]

The Common Sense Party: free economy, strong but noninterventionist defense, rule of law, and libertarian on social issues. Works for me!

Great ideas! Add strict construction of the U.S. Constitution (especially the 10th amendment), abolishment of the IRS, and a reduction in the size of government, and I'm in!

cool! and we'll be so far removed from "superpower" status you'll need a telescope to find it again...

isolationism belongs on the side of the road in 1941, along with laissez faire economics, left there in 1929

[native]

Great ideas! Add strict construction of the U.S. Constitution (especially the 10th amendment), abolishment of the IRS, and a reduction in the size of government, and I'm in!

cool! and we'll be so far removed from "superpower" status you'll need a telescope to find it again...

isolationism belongs on the side of the road in 1941, along with laissez faire economics, left there in 1929

Not so! Non-interventionism does NOT equate to isolationism.

A strong, efficient military could keep the sea lanes open for trade and ruthlessly punish those who harm American citizens abroad.

Many social programs and constant over-reaching in foreign affairs by vboth Republicans and Democrats impoverishes our citizenry and reduces our superpower status.

Our legislative attacks on free enterprise since 1929 have not always been productive or contributed to "progress." Glass-Steagall was good. Free trade and fair trade legislation is usually productive. However, much of the New Deal has been and will continue to be an economic anchor which ultimately lowers the standard of living even for those it is intended to assist.

[native]

...IT was one of the interesting things about Clinton and Lewinsky that always amazed me. I understand the wife issue and so forth and so on. But you are an elected representative. If Bill would have simply admitted it, the whole thing would never have been a big deal (not raising Clinton issues it was an example. ....

If I had done the exact same thing with a subordinate as the Commander in Chief did, while in a position of authority, I would have been discharged. Rightly so. If I had also lied about it, I would have been dishonorably discharged and maybe even sent to Leavenworth.

[dbackjon]

As long as the Federal Government recognizes them...

AS long as you are legally together, pay taxes and enjoy the benefits do you NEED the gov't to recognize it?

In the years that Rob and I were together enough that I would considered married, we paid about $30K more in taxes than if the Government had recognized it.

Either eliminate all the benefits (which will never happen) or recognize same-sex marriage.

[AZGrizFan]

Absolutely under NO circumstances LOBBYISTS are FORBIDDEN. They are just like CEOs, greedy and power hungry. Dispicable swine.

Z in 3, 2, 1...

Again, an example of Cappy's 90/10 rule.

[AZGrizFan]

it's funny, there was a comment above about how "they won't make a hard vote, or they have their finger in the wind" and then... if they make the hard decision the bitching about "not representing their constituents" gets rolling... so which do you want?... because you can't have both.

Precisely the argument used for going into Iraq, which you donks now blast. See?

[wkuhillhound]

Z in 3, 2, 1...

Again, an example of Cappy's 90/10 rule.

Took ya long enough.

[wkuhillhound]

It is becoming more and more evident on a daily basis.

Pelosi/Reid were lied to, but they also had inklings of what was going on, and failed to act.

Now they are covering their hides.




I am ready to start a new party - who's with me???

So.....you are jumping off the OBAMA wagon?

lmao, even I had to laugh at the double entendre.

[AZGrizFan]

Again, an example of Cappy's 90/10 rule.

Took ya long enough.

I'm workin' here. Give a fella a break.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

it's funny, there was a comment above about how "they won't make a hard vote, or they have their finger in the wind" and then... if they make the hard decision the bitching about "not representing their constituents" gets rolling... so which do you want?... because you can't have both.

Precisely the argument used for going into Iraq, which you donks now blast. See?

that makes no sense whatsoever... the argument used for going in to iraq was (depending on the week) wmd, they caused 9-11, saddam's a tyrant, he tried to kill my dad, it's tuesday, you must be a homo if you don't want to bomb them, you all hate america, we need to get re-elected in 2002...

[wkuhillhound]

Absolutely under NO circumstances LOBBYISTS are FORBIDDEN. They are just like CEOs, greedy and power hungry. Dispicable swine.

I know too many lobbyists to believe that... lobbyists are the latest boogeymen used as an strawman.

Since the 10% speak the loudest, they are the representative of the whole. It pretty much applies to race, religion, region, and the list goes on and on.

[bobbythekidd]

Can we have a line item veto?

[AZGrizFan]

Precisely the argument used for going into Iraq, which you donks now blast. See?

that makes no sense whatsoever... the argument used for going in to iraq was (depending on the week) wmd, they caused 9-11, saddam's a tyrant, he tried to kill my dad, it's tuesday, you must be a homo if you don't want to bomb them, you all hate america, we need to get re-elected in 2002...

Correct. ALL were used, right after "we'll go get them BEFORE they come get US." You know....the HARD DECISION.

[D1B]

that makes no sense whatsoever... the argument used for going in to iraq was (depending on the week) wmd, they caused 9-11, saddam's a tyrant, he tried to kill my dad, it's tuesday, you must be a homo if you don't want to bomb them, you all hate america, we need to get re-elected in 2002...

Correct. ALL were used, right after "we'll go get them BEFORE they come get US." You know....the HARD DECISION.

Uh, that turned out to be one of worst decisions in presidential and American history. Your great, great grandchildren will be paying for it.

[AZGrizFan]

Correct. ALL were used, right after "we'll go get them BEFORE they come get US." You know....the HARD DECISION.

Uh, that turned out to be one of worst decisions in presidential and American history. Your great, great grandchildren will be paying for it.

America LOVES the Monday morning quarterback, Ted. But that role is currently filled. Check back later.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

that makes no sense whatsoever... the argument used for going in to iraq was (depending on the week) wmd, they caused 9-11, saddam's a tyrant, he tried to kill my dad, it's tuesday, you must be a homo if you don't want to bomb them, you all hate america, we need to get re-elected in 2002...

Correct. ALL were used, right after "we'll go get them BEFORE they come get US." You know....the HARD DECISION.

???

confused by whatever sort of logical gymnastics you just did... it still boils down to a logical fallacy that is predicated on the idea that shitbox regional despot was somehow a threat of any kind...

[AZGrizFan]

Correct. ALL were used, right after "we'll go get them BEFORE they come get US." You know....the HARD DECISION.

???

confused by whatever sort of logical gymnastics you just did... it still boils down to a logical fallacy that is predicated on the idea that shitbox regional despot was somehow a threat of any kind...

I'm jes' yankin' yer chain, junior. It's fun to watch your mental gymnastics.