Shooting at AME church in Charleston, SC

[93henfan]

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Dumbocrats again try to exploit dead citizens to further their gun agenda before the bodies are even cold.

What exactly is our gun agenda?

The only people I've seen discussing gun control and gun issues in this thread is Conks. I certainly haven't talked about gun control at all in this thread. I don't think dback or any of the other lefties have either.

Is Obama going to take your guns away now? Or didn't he already take them away after Sandy Hook? Not much more to take away at this point I guess. All your gun rights have evaporated the last decade under "Dumbocrats" and their "gun agenda."

Who's talking about it? Only the President of the United States.

Luckily he can't get his agenda pushed right now.

[Baldy]

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Dumbocrats again try to exploit dead citizens to further their gun agenda before the bodies are even cold.

What exactly is our gun agenda?

The only people I've seen discussing gun control and gun issues in this thread is Conks. I certainly haven't talked about gun control at all in this thread. I don't think dback or any of the other lefties have either.

Is Obama going to take your guns away now? Or didn't he already take them away after Sandy Hook? Not much more to take away at this point I guess. All your gun rights have evaporated the last decade under "Dumbocrats" and their "gun agenda."

It hasn't been because he hasn't tried. He even said it himself by saying "using all the powers of this office" to pursue gun control. Thank GOD the few smart ones left in Congress stopped it.

[Skjellyfetti]

Who's talking about it? Only the President of the United States.

Luckily he can't get his agenda pushed right now.

Lol. No he's not. He never mentioned guns at all in his speech and you know it. Certainly didn't mention any legislation he's going to try to push through.

And, I'm not surprised that an overtly racist POS has this reaction to this shooting.

[93henfan]

Who's talking about it? Only the President of the United States.

Luckily he can't get his agenda pushed right now.

Lol. No he's not. He never mentioned guns at all in his speech and you know it. Certainly didn't mention any legislation he's going to try to push through.

And, I'm not surprised that an overtly racist POS has this reaction to this shooting.

You have no idea what my reaction is to the shooting. This is a god damned slapstick Internet message board, dumb ass. I spend half (no more like 90%) of my time posting troll bait that hooks tards like you. You are worked UP, Jack!

[Skjellyfetti]

Interesting ruling from Clarence Thomas today.

But it was in a third case, Walker v. Texas Division, Sons of Confederate Veterans, Inc., that Thomas made his voice heard most clearly—by his silence. In Walker, Thomas defected from the very First Amendment orthodoxy he defended in Reed. Remarkably enough, he joined the Court’s four moderate-liberals—Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor, and Elena Kagan—to provide a decisive vote to allow the state of Texas to refuse to print a specialty license plate bearing the much-loved and hated Confederate battle flag. In an opinion by Breyer, the 5-4 majority held that a government can, with few limits, decide to convey any license-plate message it wants, and bar any that it disapproves. This isn’t “content-based” regulation of speech; The plate is speech by the government itself, and the First Amendment does not apply.

In Walker, Justice Samuel Alito wrote a dissent that could have come from Thomas’s pen. Alito argued that Texas’s rejection of the battle flag was “blatant viewpoint discrimination”—which is, in First Amendment doctrine, worse than the Sign Code in Gilbert.

Thomas goes his own way in most areas of the law he cares about—particularly in constitutional issues. He does not mind bucking even his closest allies—witness the sedate but impassioned brawl between Thomas and Justice Antonin Scalia found in their dueling opinions in Zivotofsky v. Kerry, the Jerusalem-passport case decided last week. Scalia, in dissent, thought it plain that Congress could require the president to stamp “Israel” on passports as the birthplace of American citizens born in Jerusalem; Thomas, concurring with the majority but writing only for himself, argued that the statute violated the president’s “residual foreign affairs powers” (whatever they are) but that Congress could require the president to stamp Jerusalem on the same person’s “Consular Record of Birth Abroad.” It was an opinion that pleased neither side entirely, and puzzled many quite a bit.

Why would Thomas cross over in the Sons of Confederate Veterans case? To state the obvious, Thomas is the Court’s only African American. Much has been made of his rejection of contemporary civil-rights orthodoxy. But it is equally clear that Thomas retains vivid and bitter memories of his poverty-stricken childhood in the Jim Crow South—and that he retains a particular hatred for the symbols of Southern white supremacy.

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[Pwns]

Uh, wow jelly.

In a foul mood today aren't we?

[GrizFanStuckInUtah]

There are about 319 million people in the United States, so that means there are about 118 milion gun owners in this nation. Mother Jones reports there have been 69 mass shootings in the last 30 years. The Washington Post says, a Congressional Research Service report published in 2013 counted 78 incidents over roughly the same period, in which 547 were killed.

That means, out of 118 million gun owners, 78 or .00007 percent of the gun owning population are potential mass murderers (using a 30-year total).

Now compare that number to 10,076. According to MADD, that’s the number of people killed during drunk driving crashes in 2013 alone. In fact, every day in America, another 28 people die in drunk driving crashes. Every. Single. Day.

http://allenbwest.com/2015/06/heres-wha ... shootings/

[93henfan]

So let's get to banning cars.

[Skjellyfetti]

Again, no one is suggesting banning anything.

[93henfan]

Again, no one is suggesting banning anything.

Is that what the dem congresspeople say to each other behind closed doors? Followed by, "Know what I mean? Know what I mean? Nudge, nudge. Wink wink. Say no more!"

[Skjellyfetti]

Again, no one is suggesting banning anything.

Is that what the dem congresspeople say to each other behind closed doors? Followed by, "Know what I mean? Know what I mean? Nudge, nudge. Wink wink. Say no more!"

When is the last time that Congress passed legislation that currently affects your use of firearms?

[JohnStOnge]

Somebody might already have asked this but:

What gun control law would one propose that would have stopped the incident we're discussing?

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

If one single person in that church had been armed this would have been a 1 or 2 injury/death incident instead of a guy killing everyone there.

Only the Left cant see this.

[SeattleGriz]

WTF...everything seemed fine when I fell asleep last night...

...but I woke up this morning and found myself agreeing with Maojeff and Klam!!

Heading to the ER.

[Skjellyfetti]

Why do all the Conks want to talk about gun control in this thread? There wasn't a gun control measure that could have been that would have prevented this from happening. His dumbass father gave his deliquent son -- who had already been arrested twice this year -- a gun for his birthday.



Now... how about we talk about the racist vitriol that has been oozing out of the right wing (and this forum) over the past few years. And that was the shooters stated motive in shooting up a church of black people.

[mrklean]

Why do all the Conks want to talk about gun control in this thread? There wasn't a gun control measure that could have been that would have prevented this from happening. His dumbass father gave his deliquent son -- who had already been arrested twice this year -- a gun for his birthday.



Now... how about we talk about the racist vitriol that has been oozing out of the right wing (and this forum) over the past few years. And that was the shooters stated motive in shooting up a church of black people.

Guns are the thing to do in the south. They think its a sing of manhood...........lol Why would any parent give their son a gun, when they knew he was off in the head. Lock his dumb azz parents up also.

[SeattleGriz]

Why do all the Conks want to talk about gun control in this thread? There wasn't a gun control measure that could have been that would have prevented this from happening. His dumbass father gave his deliquent son -- who had already been arrested twice this year -- a gun for his birthday.



Now... how about we talk about the racist vitriol that has been oozing out of the right wing (and this forum) over the past few years. And that was the shooters stated motive in shooting up a church of black people.

wut?

[travelinman67]

Hey, Jellydonut...

...as long as we're discussing the false narrative of gun control, what's your opinion of Obama's attempt to politicize this crime?

BTW...

As Obama Claims Gun Violence Is Unique To U.S., 160 Are Massacred in Mexico

BY MONICA SHOWALTER
05:30 PM ET 
Investor's Business Daily

So much for President Obama's claim this morning that gun violence of the kind that horrified South Carolina Wednesday "doesn't happen in other countries ."
This morning, Mexico's Excelsior reported a massacre of 160 Central American migrants in two separate incidents. The migrants were machine-gunned and left for dead, with just 60 managing to flee for their lives.""
One incident occurred in Sonora state near the Arizona border.
The other was in Veracruz state in Mexico's south.Both were likely the work of cartels operating Mexico — who settle disputes over cash (including people smuggling fees) and territorial passage with machine guns.
Obama did qualify his claim by saying the U.S. compared unfavorably with other "developed countries" on violence, but even that claim falls flat, given that Mexico is one of the few Latin American states that are full members of the OECD, a multilateral club of developed nations.Telesur, a Venezuelan propaganda news site roughly comparable to al Jazeera, is the only news outlet that has reported the slaughters in English, perhaps because these killings are so common they aren't even considered news: But never mind that. The entire story blows the idea of gun violence being a uniquely American phenomenon out of the water.
Perhaps that's because Obama has always had a problem recognizing American exceptionalism, except in the identification of problems. To him, it's violence that makes America truly exceptional no matter what goes on elsewhere.

The only problem is, it's not true.

[JohnStOnge]

Why do all the Conks want to talk about gun control in this thread?

The person we have (as much as I hate to have to say it) President right now brought up gun control. Also, I saw gun control brought up by a number of talking heads on the left today. It was predicable and immediate.

I heard one guy say that guns are the "root cause" of problems like this. That's a completely asinine statement. But it was made.

I guess sometimes "Conservatives" might want to go ahead and be pre-emptive because as soon as something like this happens you KNOW liberals are going to start that nonsensical crap about guns being the problem.

I am not a big gun person. I haven't fired a gun for maybe 20 years and the only guns I have are a single shot 20 gauge shotgun and a single shot bolt action 22 that I keep in my attic because I had them when I was a kid. I keep them for sentimental reasons. So no I am not a "gun nut."

But I can see that this "progressive" gun control mania is ludicrous.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Why do all the Conks want to talk about gun control in this thread? There wasn't a gun control measure that could have been that would have prevented this from happening. His dumbass father gave his deliquent son -- who had already been arrested twice this year -- a gun for his birthday.



Now... how about we talk about the racist vitriol that has been oozing out of the right wing (and this forum) over the past few years. And that was the shooters stated motive in shooting up a church of black people.

Guns are the thing to do in the south. They think its a sing of manhood...........lol Why would any parent give their son a gun, when they knew he was off in the head. Lock his dumb azz parents up also.

BS his parents DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING wrong.

Its people like you that need to be slapped like a bitch for jumping the shark like this every time something bad happens. There is one person to blame and it was his actions, not a gun, not his parents.

One person

[JohnStOnge]

BS his parents DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING wrong.

Well, we'll have to see how it plays out but I did hear one talking head say that it was illegal for his father to give him a gun as a gift because he was not supposed to have a gun due to his criminal background.

[SDHornet]

Hey, Jellydonut...

...as long as we're discussing the false narrative of gun control, what's your opinion of Obama's attempt to politicize this crime?

BTW...

As Obama Claims Gun Violence Is Unique To U.S., 160 Are Massacred in Mexico

BY MONICA SHOWALTER
05:30 PM ET 
Investor's Business Daily

So much for President Obama's claim this morning that gun violence of the kind that horrified South Carolina Wednesday "doesn't happen in other countries ."
This morning, Mexico's Excelsior reported a massacre of 160 Central American migrants in two separate incidents. The migrants were machine-gunned and left for dead, with just 60 managing to flee for their lives.""
One incident occurred in Sonora state near the Arizona border.
The other was in Veracruz state in Mexico's south.Both were likely the work of cartels operating Mexico — who settle disputes over cash (including people smuggling fees) and territorial passage with machine guns.
Obama did qualify his claim by saying the U.S. compared unfavorably with other "developed countries" on violence, but even that claim falls flat, given that Mexico is one of the few Latin American states that are full members of the OECD, a multilateral club of developed nations.Telesur, a Venezuelan propaganda news site roughly comparable to al Jazeera, is the only news outlet that has reported the slaughters in English, perhaps because these killings are so common they aren't even considered news: But never mind that. The entire story blows the idea of gun violence being a uniquely American phenomenon out of the water.
Perhaps that's because Obama has always had a problem recognizing American exceptionalism, except in the identification of problems. To him, it's violence that makes America truly exceptional no matter what goes on elsewhere.

The only problem is, it's not true.

BOOM...and lefties, guess what the kicker in this is irony....guns are illegal in Mexico.

DOUBLE BOOM

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Dont forget Sweden, and the Charlie Hebdo attack in France where laws make it impossible to defend yourself. The list goes on and on in foreign countries. He is an idiot

Obama is the most embarrassing president ever, he is ignorant and his assault on the constitution is deplorable and treasonous.

[Skjellyfetti]

BS his parents DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING wrong.

Its people like you that need to be slapped like a bitch for jumping the shark like this every time something bad happens. There is one person to blame and it was his actions, not a gun, not his parents.

One person

Don't worry - I blame your parents for the way you turned out as well.

[93henfan]

The Mexican gun ban should be our model. You can see how it keeps the guns out of the hands of the bad guys and keeps the people safe.