SCOTUS Clears Path For Expanded Federal Voter Fraud

[travelinman67]

http://m.ljworld.com/news/2015/jun/29/h ... tes=mobile

Supreme Court declines to hear Kobach appeal on proof of citizenship

By Peter Hancock
Originally published June 29, 2015 at 09:28a.m., updated June 29, 2015 at 02:52p.m.

Topeka — People in Kansas can still register to vote in federal elections without showing proof of citizenship, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled Monday. But whether those people will be allowed to vote in state and local elections remains an open question.
The court on Monday refused to hear Kansas Secretary of State Kobach’s appeal in a case in which he asked that the U.S. Election Assistance Commission provide a federal voter registration form that comports with state law, which requires voters to show proof of citizenship.
Last year, the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled against Kobach, saying the EAC did not have to provide a revised federal form for use in Kansas. The Supreme Court’s decision Monday not to hear Kobach’s appeal means the 10th Circuit’s ruling will stand.""
Kobach said Monday he wasn’t surprised by the ruling because the Supreme Court often waits until there is a split between different appellate courts before taking a case, and so far the 10th Circuit is the only appellate court that has ruled on the question of amending the federal registration form.
Meanwhile, a separate lawsuit is pending in state court that challenges Kobach’s policy of not allowing people who registered using the federal form to vote in state and local races. That case, which is pending before Shawnee County District Judge Frank Theis, was filed by the American Civil Liberties Union and the League of Women Voters.
“Now that the Supreme Court has said the federal form doesn’t have to be changed, the question is teed up for him to answer,” said Mark Johnson, a lecturer on election law at Kansas University who also serves on the board of the ACLU of Kansas. “On the constitutional argument, there is the possibility that we could have a bifurcated election system.”During the 2014 elections, while both the state and federal cases were still pending, Kobach’s office conducted a “dual” election system in which people who had registered to vote and shown proof of citizenship using the state form were allowed to vote in all races, but people who used the federal form could only vote in federal races.Attorneys for the ACLU asked Theis in July 2014 to block Kobach from holding dual elections. But with state and federal primary elections only a month away, and with a related case still pending at that time before the 10th Circuit, Theis declined to step in.The 10th Circuit did not issue its decision, declining to force the EAC to provide revised federal forms, until Nov. 7 last year, three days after the general election.
Since then, there has been little action on the ACLU lawsuit in Shawnee County, in part because Theis was also the presiding judge on a three-judge panel that oversaw the massive school finance lawsuit. A ruling in that case was just handed down Friday.
As a result of the proof-of-citizenship requirement, more than 23,000 people who’d failed to provide the required documents were prevented from voting in 2014 because their registrations had been placed “in suspense.”Meanwhile, a small number of people who’d registered using the federal form were only allowed to vote in federal races.However, if Judge

Theis rules in the ACLU lawsuit that the state cannot operate a dual election system, that would open a door to negating the proof of citizenship law because voters could merely bypass it by registering to vote using the federal form.Kobach, however, said he doesn’t think that’s likely to happen.“The federal form was created by a federal statute, and the statute says it is for federal elections,” Kobach said. “It doesn’t purport to make that form available for state elections. Some states use it as a matter of courtesy, but no state is required to do so.”

[Chizzang]

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[travelinman67]

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Yeah, voter fraud.

Something the left cheers for...

...because they HAVE to.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

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It's pretty damn amazing how puffed up only one side gets over this particular matter and when they are asked about how absolutely miniscule the actual voter fraud cases are in the overall of elections they just stand so soundly on principle. I mean I'm all for that but c'mon man this is a made up fucking problem.

[travelinman67]

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It's pretty damn amazing how puffed up only one side gets over this particular matter and when they are asked about how absolutely miniscule the actual voter fraud cases are in the overall of elections they just stand so soundly on principle. I mean I'm all for that but c'mon man this is a made up fucking problem.

...BTW, when he was challenged by an elderly poll worker, he told the worker to mind his own fucking business...

[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=LEQpHfnJz-c[/youtube]

We've had this debate ad nauseum in the past.

Conks wants stricter laws to prevent voter fraud...

Donks want fewer laws to ensure they can continue violating laws and cheating to steal elections.

Good, Dumbydonks, like yourself, carry the water for the criminal chieftains, by trying to shout-down reality.

Keep shouting, Mother****er...reality ain't going away.

[travelinman67]

BTW, Ursus Alinsky...http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/ ... +elections

Page 1...Jellydonut. Hippie, Klam: "What problem? There's no problem."

[BDKJMU]

Ive posted this before. Study done by 2 ODU professors estimates about 14% of 'non citizens" are registered to vote, and 6.4% voted in 2008, and 2.2% in 2010. Note this includes both illegal immigrants and legal immigrants, non citizens who are legal permanent residents, who by law still aren't allowed to vote in federal elections,

So its only natural that the donks would want more non citizens in the country, legal or illegal, as ultimately a small percentage of them will end up voting, and most will vote donk (Obama got an estimated 80% of this non citizen illegal vote in 08').

US Census 2010 had the foreign born non naturalized (non citizen) population in the U.S. at 22.48 million. 6.4% of that is about 1.44 million. 131.3 million voted in 2008. So according to the study about 1.1% would have been illegal votes from non citizens.

"....Because non-citizens tended to favor Democrats (Obama won more than 80 percent of the votes of non-citizens in the 2008 CCES sample), we find that this participation was large enough to plausibly account for Democratic victories in a few close elections. Non-citizen votes could have given Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health-care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress. Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) won election in 2008 with a victory margin of 312 votes. Votes cast by just 0.65 percent of Minnesota non-citizens could account for this margin. It is also possible that non-citizen votes were responsible for Obama’s 2008 victory in North Carolina. Obama won the state by 14,177 votes, so a turnout by 5.1 percent of North Carolina’s adult non-citizens would have provided this victory margin....."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/mon ... -election/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[houndawg]

It's pretty damn amazing how puffed up only one side gets over this particular matter and when they are asked about how absolutely miniscule the actual voter fraud cases are in the overall of elections they just stand so soundly on principle. I mean I'm all for that but c'mon man this is a made up **** problem.

...BTW, when he was challenged by an elderly poll worker, he told the worker to mind his own **** business...

[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=LEQpHfnJz-c[/youtube]

We've had this debate ad nauseum in the past.

Conks wants stricter laws to prevent voter fraud...

Donks want fewer laws to ensure they can continue violating laws and cheating to steal elections.

Good, Dumbydonks, like yourself, carry the water for the criminal chieftains, by trying to shout-down reality.

Keep shouting, Mother****er...reality ain't going away.

Tman! Wake, enjoy 2015, and stop whining about last millenium's problems!

Lets get you coached up here son: It doesn't matter who votes, the only thing that matters is who handles the electronic voting machines last.

Enough with your phony outrage, go find a widow to bilk.

[houndawg]

Ive posted this before. Study done by 2 ODU professors estimates about 14% of 'non citizens" are registered to vote, and 6.4% voted in 2008, and 2.2% in 2010. Note this includes both illegal immigrants and legal immigrants, non citizens who are legal permanent residents, who by law still aren't allowed to vote in federal elections,

So its only natural that the donks would want more non citizens in the country, legal or illegal, as ultimately a small percentage of them will end up voting, and most will vote donk (Obama got an estimated 80% of this non citizen illegal vote in 08').

US Census 2010 had the foreign born non naturalized (non citizen) population in the U.S. at 22.48 million. 6.4% of that is about 1.44 million. 131.3 million voted in 2008. So according to the study about 1.1% would have been illegal votes from non citizens.

"....Because non-citizens tended to favor Democrats (Obama won more than 80 percent of the votes of non-citizens in the 2008 CCES sample), we find that this participation was large enough to plausibly account for Democratic victories in a few close elections. Non-citizen votes could have given Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health-care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress. Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) won election in 2008 with a victory margin of 312 votes. Votes cast by just 0.65 percent of Minnesota non-citizens could account for this margin. It is also possible that non-citizen votes were responsible for Obama’s 2008 victory in North Carolina. Obama won the state by 14,177 votes, so a turnout by 5.1 percent of North Carolina’s adult non-citizens would have provided this victory margin....."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/mon ... -election/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

..so does everybody else, so what?

[dbackjon]

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It's pretty damn amazing how puffed up only one side gets over this particular matter and when they are asked about how absolutely miniscule the actual voter fraud cases are in the overall of elections they just stand so soundly on principle. I mean I'm all for that but c'mon man this is a made up fucking problem.

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Ursus ripped the tits off this one.

Most voter fraud is GOP election rigging. Or being like Limbaugh/Colter/Romney and illegally registering in places they are not resident.

[dbackjon]

What you should be upset about is your butt buddy Jeb bush and other GOP illegally purging legal voters off voting roles, closing polling places in Democratic neighborhoods, harassing minority voters, and gerrymandering to stay in power.

THAT IS THE REAL ELECTION FRAUD

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

It's pretty damn amazing how puffed up only one side gets over this particular matter and when they are asked about how absolutely miniscule the actual voter fraud cases are in the overall of elections they just stand so soundly on principle. I mean I'm all for that but c'mon man this is a made up fucking problem.

...BTW, when he was challenged by an elderly poll worker, he told the worker to mind his own fucking business...

[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=LEQpHfnJz-c[/youtube]

We've had this debate ad nauseum in the past.

Conks wants stricter laws to prevent voter fraud...

Donks want fewer laws to ensure they can continue violating laws and cheating to steal elections.

Good, Dumbydonks, like yourself, carry the water for the criminal chieftains, by trying to shout-down reality.

Keep shouting, Mother****er...reality ain't going away.

Actually, as you know, I'm more conservative in my leanings. I just try not to be a whiny bitch and actually look at things with a fair eye instead of being a mouthpiece for Fox news or Limbaugh or whatever you are doing.

If you weren't an automaton just putting forth other people's agenda's I'd get it. It is fine I'm a democrat to you and then a republican to any whiny bitch dem that cries about their pet projects like you do yours...or not yours...the group think you got going on. It's probably better to be the guy with the actual voice as opposed to just being the megaphone but if that is the role you choose I'll let you sit there and chirp away as if you had originality I guess.

Isn't there already a law against this?

In your example couldn't someone have been called?

Was this guy caught and the problem rectified?

Was he prosecuted?

Including this instance, how many other cases were there in whatever election cycle this was?

Is this like gun control in that we already have laws to fight this and yet there are still a very few that commit the crime and further laws won't really help the overall process? It's just the big, dramatic thing that one side can hang on to as if it's something. This is every bit as dumb as worrying about clip size.

BTW, Megaphone, I don't think I was shouting about anything so I'm not sure what you are getting at there.

[Grizalltheway]

It's the political equivalent of blaming the refs after a blowout loss. Blame anyone but yourself/team/coaches.

[Chizzang]

This country really shouldn't get "more Liberal" in my opinion
we're plenty liberal - there are a few social issues I am still worked up about where we're too conservative
but over all as a Nation we do not need to get "more Liberal"

Just my 2 cents...

[AZGrizFan]

It's the political equivalent of blaming the refs after a blowout loss. Blame anyone but yourself/team/coaches.

True. And Obama has been following that mantra for six years.

[BDKJMU]

Copy and paste of post I made back in Feb 12' of just examples of the shenanigans the donks were pulling between 2006 and 2011

9/16/09: 70 former ACORN employees in 12 states convicted of voter fraud
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 61772.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Just some of the examples below:

11/1/06: "ACORN Workers Indicted For Alleged Voter Fraud

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Four people have been indicted on charges of voter fraud in Kansas City, officials said Wednesday.
Investigators said questionable registration forms for new voters were collected by the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now......"
http://www.kmbc.com/politics/10214492/detail.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

11/12/07: "Felony charges filed against 7 in state's biggest case of voter-registration fraud

King and Pierce County prosecutors filed felony charges today against seven people who allegedly committed the biggest voter-registration fraud in state history.

The defendants, who were paid employees and supervisors of ACORN, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now....."
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/l ... ud26m.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

""Prosecutors: ACORN 2008 Milwaukee Voter Drive "Marred by Fraud"

MADISON, Wis. (AP) -- A voter registration drive that the community organizing group ACORN conducted in Milwaukee before the 2008 presidential election was marred by fraud and corruption, prosecutors said Monday.

Two former ACORN employees, Maria Miles and Kevin Clancy, were criminally charged Monday. The complaint accuses them of repeatedly trying to register the same voters more than once to meet a 20-signature-per-day quota imposed by ACORN, the embattled group that advocates for low-income people.

ACORN stands for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now.

"Miles stated they were 'all hoodlums' working for ACORN and they all had criminal histories, and that they were going to 'do whatever they had to do' to be able to gain their money at the end of each day," Assistant Attorney General David W. Maas and special agent Peter Thelen wrote in the complaint filed in Milwaukee County.....:
http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/86913867.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

11/23/09 Ex-ACORN official gets probation for voter registration plan
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/no ... gistratio/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

4/6/2011 "ACORN pleads guilty to felony compensation for registration of voters

The grass-roots community organizing group ACORN once drew the ire of conservative groups and the attention of national media.

And when ACORN faced charges in Las Vegas of voter registration malfeasance in 2008, a flock of political spin doctors and lawyers rushed to its defense.

But three years later, with ACORN's two co-defendants already having taken plea deals and the group essentially defunct and in Chapter 7 bankruptcy, the case received little attention as a lawyer on behalf of ACORN pleaded guilty Wednesday....."
http://www.lvrj.com/news/acorn-pleads-g ... 67839.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

4/10/2011: Judge fines ACORN $5,000 for voter registration scheme

A judge Wednesday slapped the defunct grass-roots community organizing group ACORN with a maximum $5,000 fine for its role in a voter registration compensation scheme in the 2008 election cycle.

District Judge Donald Mosley was confined by statute to fine only the corporation, which pleaded guilty in April to one count of felony compensation for registration of voters.

Mosley said that if there were an individual standing before him, and not a corporation, that person would have been given a 10-year prison sentence, "and I wouldn't have thought twice about it."

The judge chastised the now-bankrupt corporation for making a "mockery" of the nation's election process. "This isn't a banana republic," Mosley said.

http://www.lvrj.com/news/judge-fines-ac ... 67598.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

7/9/08 Funds Misappropriated at 2 Nonprofit Groups

Acorn chose to treat the embezzlement of nearly $1 million eight years ago as an internal matter and did not even notify its board....

...A whistle-blower forced Acorn to disclose the embezzlement, which involved the brother of the organization’s founder, Wade Rathke.

The brother, Dale Rathke, embezzled nearly $1 million from Acorn and affiliated charitable organizations in 1999 and 2000, Acorn officials said, but a small group of executives decided to keep the information from almost all of the group’s board members and not to alert law enforcement....."
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/09/us/09embezzle.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"...as documented in a July 2009 report by the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, of the 1.3 million registrations Project Vote/ACORN submitted in the 2008 election cycle, more than one-third were invalid..."
http://www.newmediajournal.us/indx.php/item/4268" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

".....In Orlando, home to the Magic Kingdom of Disney, Mickey Mouse tried to register. In Indiana there was an application from a sandwich shop called Jimmy Johns. Authorities in Nevada were surprised to receive voter registration forms from the starting line-up of the Dallas Cowboys.

All these applications were provided by the Association of Community Organisations for Reform Now (ACORN), a group that works to register low-income voters. ACORN has been industrious this year, signing up 1.3m voters in 21 states according to its own tallies. But they have run into some trouble; thousands of their voter-registration applications are fakes. In Connecticut a seven-year-old girl applied. A man in Ohio admitted he had signed up with organisers more than 70 times in exchange for cash and cigarettes. In one county in Indiana ACORN turned in 5,000 applications, 2,100 of which were quickly identified as fakes......"
http://www.economist.com/node/12432392" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[BDKJMU]

The elections where voter fraud is going to make a difference is where the margin is a fraction of 1%. Like in Minnesota in 08', 312 votes out of over 2.4 million cast, 7 one thousandths of 1 percent.

I'll repeat the quote from the study I linked above:

"Because non-citizens tended to favor Democrats (Obama won more than 80 percent of the votes of non-citizens in the 2008 CCES sample), we find that this participation was large enough to plausibly account for Democratic victories in a few close elections. Non-citizen votes could have given Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health-care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress. Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) won election in 2008 with a victory margin of 312 votes. Votes cast by just 0.65 percent of Minnesota non-citizens could account for this margin. It is also possible that non-citizen votes were responsible for Obama’s 2008 victory in North Carolina. Obama won the state by 14,177 votes, so a turnout by 5.1 percent of North Carolina’s adult non-citizens would have provided this victory margin....."

Voter fraud in Minnesota likely gave us Obamacare...

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

The elections where voter fraud is going to make a difference is where the margin is a fraction of 1%. Like in Minnesota in 08', 312 votes out of over 2.4 million cast, 7 one thousandths of 1 percent.

I'll repeat the quote from the study I linked above:

"Because non-citizens tended to favor Democrats (Obama won more than 80 percent of the votes of non-citizens in the 2008 CCES sample), we find that this participation was large enough to plausibly account for Democratic victories in a few close elections. Non-citizen votes could have given Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health-care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress. Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) won election in 2008 with a victory margin of 312 votes. Votes cast by just 0.65 percent of Minnesota non-citizens could account for this margin. It is also possible that non-citizen votes were responsible for Obama’s 2008 victory in North Carolina. Obama won the state by 14,177 votes, so a turnout by 5.1 percent of North Carolina’s adult non-citizens would have provided this victory margin....."

Voter fraud in Minnesota likely gave us Obamacare...

You have a whole bunch of "could have" and "Maybe" and "likely" in there. JFC why don't republicans just get some INS jackets and wear them out when they go to vote. That will do the trick.

I think we need to look into that Minn. thing a lot closer cuz that place going democrat is fucking unbelievable.

[travelinman67]

BDK, posts facts.

Ursus Dumbydonk, flaps his gums.

Conclusion: BDK, rips the tits off the thread...

...again.




Ursus, isn't there a blind, deaf, one-armed, polio-disabled, mentally handicapped, dwarf around you can go beat up?

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

BDK, posts facts.

Ursus Dumbydonk, flaps his gums.

Conclusion: BDK, rips the tits off the thread...

...again.




Ursus, isn't there a blind, deaf, one-armed, polio-disabled, mentally handicapped, dwarf around you can go beat up?

I don't know...are you close?

[travelinman67]

BDK, posts facts.

Ursus Dumbydonk, flaps his gums.

Conclusion: BDK, rips the tits off the thread...

...again.




Ursus, isn't there a blind, deaf, one-armed, polio-disabled, mentally handicapped, dwarf around you can go beat up?

I don't know...are you close?

Oooohhhh, burn...you got me.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

I don't know...are you close?

Oooohhhh, burn...you got me.

Wait, you laid some weak ass shit out there and I smacked it back in your face and you are making that out as my bad? Good stuff.

[kalm]

This country really shouldn't get "more Liberal" in my opinion
we're plenty liberal - there are a few social issues I am still worked up about where we're too conservative
but over all as a Nation we do not need to get "more Liberal"

Just my 2 cents...

Interesting. Define liberal please.

[dbackjon]

BDK has not posted a SINGLE FACT relating to voter fraud.


BDKKKJMU/TBAG fail, again.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

BDK has not posted a SINGLE FACT relating to voter fraud.


BDKKKJMU/TBAG fail, again.

That comeback ursus laid on Tman was fucking epic though so I'm glad it happened!