The Planned Parenthood video...

[Grizalltheway]

You don't really need to.

Exactly. I've never inserted anything to do with religion into my pro-life stance. Only logic. Wish others could do the same.

That's not what I meant, but you knew that already.

[D1B]

Nope. You're incorrect.

Science denier. Stop it with your antiquated, voodoo-based ideas and come into the light of the 21st century. Science isn't the enemy, stop treating it like it is.

Catholic science? Nah, gonna pass on that.

[D1B]

Couldn't tell you, I've never been. Why do you keep trying to insert religion into this debate. GF and I don't.

What would a fetus do in heaven? I mean, are there like surrogate mothers or angels that would carry it to birth?

Any ideas Hen? You've dedicated your spiritual life to God. Surely you have some idea?

If you don't, well tell me what you think.

What would a fetus in heaven do? I mean do they have schools and such? How would it develop - culturally, socially, intellectually? Just curious.

[D1B]

What would a fetus do in heaven? I mean, are there like surrogate mothers or angels that would carry it to birth?

Any ideas Hen? You've dedicated your spiritual life to God. Surely you have some idea?

If you don't, well tell me what you think.

What would a fetus in heaven do? I mean do they have schools and such? How would it develop - culturally, socially, intellectually? Just curious.

Anything, Hen?

Makes one wonder what a surreal existence it must be for a fetus in heaven.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

It's no big deal to liberals it's just murder, doesn't matter to them if it's a fetus or a gal in So Cal getting killed by an Illegal alien.

[D1B]

Any ideas Hen? You've dedicated your spiritual life to God. Surely you have some idea?

If you don't, well tell me what you think.

What would a fetus in heaven do? I mean do they have schools and such? How would it develop - culturally, socially, intellectually? Just curious.

Anything, Hen?

Makes one wonder what a surreal existence it must be for a fetus in heaven.

Cmon Hen, don't you think about this?

What happens to a fetus in heaven? Does it ever get the truth? Is there an alternate world there, similar to our own that could incubate and raise the fetus. If so does it learn right from wrong? Is there only right in heaven? What does it become, devoid of earthly experience?

[CID1990]

Anything, Hen?

Makes one wonder what a surreal existence it must be for a fetus in heaven.

Cmon Hen, don't you think about this?

What happens to a fetus in heaven? Does it ever get the truth? Is there an alternate world there, similar to our own that could incubate and raise the fetus. If so does it learn right from wrong? Is there only right in heaven? What does it become, devoid of earthly experience?

There is no heaven.

There is only what we have here

Which still makes these late term abortions beastly - I don't need the bearded man in the sky to
tell me that

[GannonFan]

Science denier. Stop it with your antiquated, voodoo-based ideas and come into the light of the 21st century. Science isn't the enemy, stop treating it like it is.

Catholic science? Nah, gonna pass on that.

Science doesn't involve religion, stop trying to tie the two together. Face it, you're own personal, biased views based on a pre-conceived notion of the world is inhibiting your ability to objectively and truthfully accept the scientific facts at hand. Ergo, you are a science denier.

[Skjellyfetti]

Y'all realize this video is fabricated, right? James O'keefe / Acorn style?

[andy7171]

Y'all realize this video is fabricated, right? James O'keefe / Acorn style?

Fabricated how? Was she scripted?
My thoughts on this, once you get past braining a unborn baby why the fuck not harvest the organs? It's like people are being overly dramatic that dead baby parts are being sold but not the killing of one.

[89Hen]

Any ideas Hen? You've dedicated your spiritual life to God. Surely you have some idea?

If you don't, well tell me what you think.

What would a fetus in heaven do? I mean do they have schools and such? How would it develop - culturally, socially, intellectually? Just curious.

Anything, Hen?

Makes one wonder what a surreal existence it must be for a fetus in heaven.

That's a clown question bro.

[Ibanez]

Y'all realize this video is fabricated, right? James O'keefe / Acorn style?

For a person in a research occupation, you sure do like to say things and then offer no proof.

[Skjellyfetti]

Y'all realize this video is fabricated, right? James O'keefe / Acorn style?

Fabricated how? Was she scripted?
My thoughts on this, once you get past braining a unborn baby why the fuck not harvest the organs? It's like people are being overly dramatic that dead baby parts are being sold but not the killing of one.

Heavily edited to be completely misleading.

Combining her talking about shipping costs... with talking about abortion procedures.

Not including the part where she states she does not sell organs.

Buyer [ACTOR]: Ok. I'm just trying to brainstorm. Because, I think offering some people, not only, just offsetting their cost in other areas, seeing the potential for that, besides the potential, for the patient, I'm still going down that road, even though I know, I understand what you're saying. This cannot be seen as, "We're doing this for profit."

PP [NUCATOLA]: No. Nothing, no affiliate should be doing anything that's not like, reasonable and customary. This is not- nobody should be "selling" tissue. That's just not the goal here.

ACTOR: Okay, so, when you are, or the affiliate is determining what that monetary --

NUCATOLA: Yes.

ACTOR: So that it doesn't raise any question of this is what it's about, this is the main -- what - what price range would you --

NUCATOLA: You know, I'm -- I could throw a number out that's anywhere from $30 to $100 depending on the facility, and what's involved. It just has to do with space issues, are you sending someone there that's going to be doing everything, or is their staff going to be doing it? What exactly are they going to be doing? Is there shipping involved, is somebody coming to pick it up -- so, I think everybody just wants to -- it's really just about if anyone were ever to ask them, well what do you do for this $60, how can you justify that? Or are you basically just doing something completely egregious, that you should be doing for free. So it just needs to be justifiable.

http://www.centerformedicalprogress.org ... _final.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[89Hen]

Heavily edited to be completely misleading.

Doesn't really matter though Jelly. It brought forth a question that put pro-choice people in a really awkward place. The question is still valid.

[CID1990]

Fabricated how? Was she scripted?
My thoughts on this, once you get past braining a unborn baby why the **** not harvest the organs? It's like people are being overly dramatic that dead baby parts are being sold but not the killing of one.

Heavily edited to be completely misleading.

Combining her talking about shipping costs... with talking about abortion procedures.

Not including the part where she states she does not sell organs.

Buyer [ACTOR]: Ok. I'm just trying to brainstorm. Because, I think offering some people, not only, just offsetting their cost in other areas, seeing the potential for that, besides the potential, for the patient, I'm still going down that road, even though I know, I understand what you're saying. This cannot be seen as, "We're doing this for profit."

PP [NUCATOLA]: No. Nothing, no affiliate should be doing anything that's not like, reasonable and customary. This is not- nobody should be "selling" tissue. That's just not the goal here.

ACTOR: Okay, so, when you are, or the affiliate is determining what that monetary --

NUCATOLA: Yes.

ACTOR: So that it doesn't raise any question of this is what it's about, this is the main -- what - what price range would you --

NUCATOLA: You know, I'm -- I could throw a number out that's anywhere from $30 to $100 depending on the facility, and what's involved. It just has to do with space issues, are you sending someone there that's going to be doing everything, or is their staff going to be doing it? What exactly are they going to be doing? Is there shipping involved, is somebody coming to pick it up -- so, I think everybody just wants to -- it's really just about if anyone were ever to ask them, well what do you do for this $60, how can you justify that? Or are you basically just doing something completely egregious, that you should be doing for free. So it just needs to be justifiable.

http://www.centerformedicalprogress.org ... _final.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The short video was edited in a misleading way (must have been taking lessons from NBC)

but the full video is not exculpatory

they harvest fetal organs and the charge for the cost of the service

maybe the organs will help cure cancer or whatever

but there is a huge market for fetal organs and not just in the realm of science - and if PP is taking in tax dollars then they have to be 100% transparent about their operation

but again - this is the kind of discussion you have after you have already decided that inducing labor on a 30 week old fetus and then crushing its skull (still inside the woman so it isnt murder) is perfectly OK

[Baldy]

Y'all realize this video is fabricated, right? James O'keefe / Acorn style?

When 20/20 or Dateline does this, and yes they do it all the time, it's called "investigative journalism". It's called a "setup"...you know like "To Catch a Predator"

[JoltinJoe]

Heavily edited to be completely misleading.

Combining her talking about shipping costs... with talking about abortion procedures.

Not including the part where she states she does not sell organs.





http://www.centerformedicalprogress.org ... _final.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The short video was edited in a misleading way (must have been taking lessons from NBC)

but the full video is not exculpatory

they harvest fetal organs and the charge for the cost of the service

maybe the organs will help cure cancer or whatever

but there is a huge market for fetal organs and not just in the realm of science - and if PP is taking in tax dollars then they have to be 100% transparent about their operation

but again - this is the kind of discussion you have after you have already decided that inducing labor on a 30 week old fetus and then crushing its skull (still inside the woman so it isnt murder) is perfectly OK

You are right. The full video is hardly exculpatory. It was bad enough. There was no need to edit it to make it appear even worse.

But Brainless Sky got the Media Matters talking points and he's on a roll.

[CID1990]

I expect to see a lot of misdirection out of the pro abortion crowd on this one

It is a lot easier to moan about video editing than it is to justify elective late term abortion - it gives them something to defend

BTW has anyone seen the going rate for fetal liver cells lately? It used to be a couple hundred bucks for a whole liver - now you can get up around 15000 dollars for just a large cell culture

Lotta money there - I wonder if PP isn't gently encouraging women to wait until the fetuses are more developed before aborting?

Good times

[89Hen]

I expect to see a lot of misdirection out of the pro abortion crowd on this one

It is a lot easier to moan about video editing than it is to justify elective late term abortion - it gives them something to defend

BTW has anyone seen the going rate for fetal liver cells lately? It used to be a couple hundred bucks for a whole liver - now you can get up around 15000 dollars for just a large cell culture

Lotta money there - I wonder if PP isn't gently encouraging women to wait until the fetuses are more developed before aborting?

Good times

Aren't you suppsed to be on a bird? I just ran into your FIL at lunch.

[CID1990]

I expect to see a lot of misdirection out of the pro abortion crowd on this one

It is a lot easier to moan about video editing than it is to justify elective late term abortion - it gives them something to defend

BTW has anyone seen the going rate for fetal liver cells lately? It used to be a couple hundred bucks for a whole liver - now you can get up around 15000 dollars for just a large cell culture

Lotta money there - I wonder if PP isn't gently encouraging women to wait until the fetuses are more developed before aborting?

Good times

Aren't you suppsed to be on a bird? I just ran into your FIL at lunch.

I'm sitting in the Delta lounge as we speak! Freedom Bird boards in a little over 2 hours.

Looking forward to the Blue Course next week

[89Hen]

Safe travels.

[YoUDeeMan]

Why would anyone be upset at a person selling the body parts of a fetus?

Heck, if those parts are used to help someone else live, there should be no problem. We sell and/or donate body parts of live people and dead people all the time.

Throughout history, we've always decided, and always will decide, who (and what) lived and died.

That's life.

[CID1990]

Why would anyone be upset at a person selling the body parts of a fetus?

Heck, if those parts are used to help someone else live, there should be no problem. We sell and/or donate body parts of live people and dead people all the time.

Throughout history, we've always decided, and always will decide, who (and what) lived and died.

That's life.

So you're ok with late term, elective abortions of fetuses with fully developed organs?

(I think you are being intentionally ironic)

[89Hen]

Why would anyone be upset at a person selling the body parts of a fetus?

Heck, if those parts are used to help someone else live, there should be no problem. We sell and/or donate body parts of live people and dead people all the time.

Throughout history, we've always decided, and always will decide, who (and what) lived and died.

That's life.

You're joking, right?

[kalm]

I expect to see a lot of misdirection out of the pro abortion crowd on this one

It is a lot easier to moan about video editing than it is to justify elective late term abortion - it gives them something to defend

BTW has anyone seen the going rate for fetal liver cells lately? It used to be a couple hundred bucks for a whole liver - now you can get up around 15000 dollars for just a large cell culture

Lotta money there - I wonder if PP isn't gently encouraging women to wait until the fetuses are more developed before aborting?

Good times

Yes! Then the pro abortion PP folks can make some serious bank!