And Cap'n told me that I was too cynical.Appaholic wrote:Surely you don't mean to imply that an elected official would listen to moneyed interests before the common citizen......come on, TTBF, you're gonna sour me on elected officials.....TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
It's where his money comes from...
AZGrizFan wrote:The free thinkers. Otherwise known as Libertarians.dbackjon wrote:
Which third party?
heh... you guys amuse me. you run for office with no money... see how far you get. by the way... i think that's a good thing. if you can't get people to support you monetarily... my guess is your ideas need some work to become viable.Appaholic wrote:Surely you don't mean to imply that an elected official would listen to monied interests before the common citizen......come on, TTBF, you're gonna sour me on elected officials.....TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
It's where his money comes from...
Don't get me wrong, I'm not naive enough to believe you can support this political system without fundraising....just cynical enough to realize most politicians, while initially well-intentioned, are more concerned with maintaining or increasing their position of influence and power (through continued fundraising) than they are concerned about their constituents or country/state/city/etc.....TwinTownBisonFan wrote:heh... you guys amuse me. you run for office with no money... see how far you get. by the way... i think that's a good thing. if you can't get people to support you monetarily... my guess is your ideas need some work to become viable.Appaholic wrote:
Surely you don't mean to imply that an elected official would listen to monied interests before the common citizen......come on, TTBF, you're gonna sour me on elected officials.....
Agree, but at least the car salesman has the integrity to not claim his occupation is about giving back to the public....well, except on the major holidays....$5000 cash back or 0% financing to qualified buyers.....wkuhillhound wrote:Being a politician is like any other job. The more years you put into the more MONEY you want to make. Whether the money is raised ethically or not. They are just like a car salesman. Customer service is near the bottom of the priority list. Just stating facts here.
this implies that fundraising and constituent service are mutually exclusive... which they aren't at all. or that somehow contributions imply that a vote was purchased... which isn't really how it goes. it's more like this - the PAC's give money to incumbents who support their positions already. they fund and invest in challengers who oppose their positions. this works with "whales" too. the whales invest and defend.Appaholic wrote:Don't get me wrong, I'm not naive enough to believe you can support this political system without fundraising....just cynical enough to realize most politicians, while initially well-intentioned, are more concerned with maintaining or increasing their position of influence and power (through continued fundraising) than they are concerned about their constituents or country/state/city/etc.....TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
heh... you guys amuse me. you run for office with no money... see how far you get. by the way... i think that's a good thing. if you can't get people to support you monetarily... my guess is your ideas need some work to become viable.
That's true. However, Americans are not falling for it as much anymore. GM and Chrysler are closing dealerships across the country so that has to be a good sign.Appaholic wrote:Agree, but at least the car salesman has the integrity to not claim his occupation is about giving back to the public....well, except on the major holidays....$5000 cash back or 0% financing to qualified buyers.....wkuhillhound wrote:Being a politician is like any other job. The more years you put into the more MONEY you want to make. Whether the money is raised ethically or not. They are just like a car salesman. Customer service is near the bottom of the priority list. Just stating facts here.
Ron Paul is certainly looking like a genius these days.AZGrizFan wrote:The free thinkers. Otherwise known as Libertarians.dbackjon wrote:
Which third party?
Appaholic wrote:Agree, but at least the car salesman has the integrity to not claim his occupation is about giving back to the public....well, except on the major holidays....$5000 cash back or 0% financing to qualified buyers.....wkuhillhound wrote:Being a politician is like any other job. The more years you put into the more MONEY you want to make. Whether the money is raised ethically or not. They are just like a car salesman. Customer service is near the bottom of the priority list. Just stating facts here.
The anti-social-conservatives are just as bad. The "progressive" religion must stand down as well.Cleets Part 2 wrote: ...It would be nice to have a Republican party with no interest in religious issues
and no interest in aligning itself with general social issues what-so-ever
A true Republic - fiscally sound - small and efficient ...
native wrote:The anti-social-conservatives are just as bad. The "progressive" religion must stand down as well.Cleets Part 2 wrote: ...It would be nice to have a Republican party with no interest in religious issues
and no interest in aligning itself with general social issues what-so-ever
A true Republic - fiscally sound - small and efficient ...
Not sure how that could happen... UNLESS we actually reducd the size of the federal government by about 85% and revert to the original intent of the Constitution...
Just as bad as what..?native wrote:The anti-social-conservatives are just as bad. The "progressive" religion must stand down as well.Cleets Part 2 wrote: ...It would be nice to have a Republican party with no interest in religious issues
and no interest in aligning itself with general social issues what-so-ever
A true Republic - fiscally sound - small and efficient ...
Not sure how that could happen... UNLESS we actually reducd the size of the federal government by about 85% and revert to the original intent of the Constitution...
Care to comment Joltin Joe?Cleets Part 2 wrote:native wrote:
The anti-social-conservatives are just as bad. The "progressive" religion must stand down as well.
Not sure how that could happen... UNLESS we actually reducd the size of the federal government by about 85% and revert to the original intent of the Constitution...
But the constitution could not be more clear on this subject
And with The Constitution - just like the Bible - you either believe in it or you do not believe in it - picking and choosing bits and pieces to suit your disposition is a bit too convenient and alarming in it's results
in fact nothing is more disconcerting for me than when I debate an individual who adheres completely to one section of the bible and dismisses another in an attempt to support his point... it's sad and disturbing to watch folks back peddle and side slip around the B.S. portions of that book
