Clinton e-mailgate

[kalm]

If those ^ are your minimum standards
It sounds like you've run out of people to vote for

Might I suggest:

actually, there are quite a few democrats AND republicans who fit that bill

James Webb is one

but they would never get a hearing because their politics do not tip off one end of the spectrum or another

Interesting perspective. Please list the announced candidates politics you think tip off an end of the spectrum...

[AZGrizFan]

This whole email/server scandal only matters if she is indicted…and I will be surprised if that happens. Yeah yeah the FBI is investigating, but so what. The Clintons will cut some kind of a back room deal somewhere and this whole issue will be significantly diminished and she will still be the dem nominee.

Yep. Good thing she didn't order a bridge lane blocked. She'd be fucked.

[AZGrizFan]

the only people taking this tack are Hillary's campaign staffers

and you

Yes, it's amazing anyone would take that tack. I belive her formulated response is that the private server allowed her to simplify to one smart device.

If you belive that I have a bridge in Little Rock to sell you.

The server was set up to conceal communications from future presidential run vetters and to facilitate typical Clinton shadiness. No more, no less.

Come on, people! At this point, "WHAT DOES IT MATTER!!"

[UNI88]

This is where your "I'm independent" facade slips and you give everybody a peek

It doesn't matter one iota whether she is tech savvy or not - she knew better because she was briefed on it when she came on board (that's a fact)

If I or any other employee at DoS had done the same thing we would already be in prison

There's no excuse - she sent and received classified (including SCI) over a private server because she wanted to avoid any congressional oversight

Like Hillary once told David Petraeus once (ironic since he was convicted of similar antics) - this whole story requires a suspension of disbelief to work

You'll have to forgive me as I haven't followed the scandal as closely as you because frankly outside of the humor of Hilary getting foiled and unlike you, I'm just not that obsessed with following every right wing conspiracy. Have they closed the trap around Benghazi and the IRS scandal yet? And what ever happened with Vince Foster and Obama's birth certificate? Those cases are still hot, right?

Your second sentence is the best explanation yet. You should have gone with that to begin with. If she was briefed on it and told it was illegal than yes, she should pay the price. Obviously someone also briefed her to do otherwise and that would be her fault for playing with fire. But my point about older people understanding how these things work still stands and you know it.

Now...back to Democratic Underground to arm myself for your next reply!

As a leader/manager/administrator at any level in the public or private sector it is her responsibility to ask why, what are the pro's and con's, etc and then to approve or disapprove the decision. And whether she understood or not, she is ultimately responsible for the action. The buck stops with her.

I have occasionally used my personal e-mail when my work e-mail was down and I had to get something out but I always copied my work e-mail so that there would be an official record of it and was very clear with the recipients about why they were getting an e-mail from that address. Transparency is a good thing but Hillary appears to be allergic.

[Chizzang]

As a leader/manager/administrator at any level in the public or private sector it is her responsibility to ask why, what are the pro's and con's, etc and then to approve or disapprove the decision. And whether she understood or not, she is ultimately responsible for the action. The buck stops with her.

I have occasionally used my personal e-mail when my work e-mail was down and I had to get something out but I always copied my work e-mail so that there would be an official record of it and was very clear with the recipients about why they were getting an e-mail from that address. Transparency is a good thing but Hillary appears to be allergic.

This entire Email thing is hardly about national security or transparency
or whatever catch phrase of the week...
What its about is making it stick and having anybody else have a chance at beating her
That's the bottom line

The outrage, shock horror and appall is perfectly scaled to meet demand
If she slips through this - it is officially OVER for the GOP in this presidential race
So as much as we're supposed to be (see: Horrified - Appalled above) what we're really watching is to see if she can wiggle out of this situation... because if she does - good night Irene

America has somehow survived the atrocity of wiki-leaks and managed to eek out a corner of the globe where we can limp along in relative peace and safety after the entire world went ablaze from the disaster

Oh.. wait... Yeah that's right that didn't happen
The shopping Malls didn't close
The airports still worked just fine
Nobody stopped texting while driving
the distractions of daily life never even skipped a beat

The Hillary Email Scandal is no Wiki-Leak
But the only hope the GOP has is to make it - at the very least - as significant

[CID1990]

actually, there are quite a few democrats AND republicans who fit that bill

James Webb is one

but they would never get a hearing because their politics do not tip off one end of the spectrum or another

Interesting perspective. Please list the announced candidates politics you think tip off an end of the spectrum...

scuze me mister but i wont get into a subject changing argument about that

suffice to say that they ALL check the ideological boxes to pander to the base - and slide as far to the left or right as they feel is necesaary

Hillary adopts that good ol down home Virginny plantation accent when she goes to a bkack church to talk about "opportunity"

Jeb will start talking about a wall

ALL the GOPers will be pro life and small government

they all pretend to be fully in one camp or another - and thats as dishonest as ideological purity is stupid (thats Bernie Sanders)

so i reiterate

the only actual candidate on either side that i could vote for at this point would be Webb - but he resembles a conk to the donks and a donk to the conks and therefore he wont be heard

you gotta be about either ALL gummint cheese or NO gummint cheese to get a look

[kalm]

Interesting perspective. Please list the announced candidates politics you think tip off an end of the spectrum...

scuze me mister but i wont get into a subject changing argument about that

suffice to say that they ALL check the ideological boxes to pander to the base - and slide as far to the left or right as they feel is necesaary

Hillary adopts that good ol down home Virginny plantation accent when she goes to a bkack church to talk about "opportunity"

Jeb will start talking about a wall

ALL the GOPers will be pro life and small government

they all pretend to be fully in one camp or another - and thats as dishonest as ideological purity is stupid (thats Bernie Sanders)

so i reiterate

the only actual candidate on either side that i could vote for at this point would be Webb - but he resembles a conk to the donks and a donk to the conks and therefore he wont be heard

you gotta be about either ALL gummint cheese or NO gummint cheese to get a look

You don't think Kasich, Trump, and Paul buck that trend a little?

[CID1990]

scuze me mister but i wont get into a subject changing argument about that

suffice to say that they ALL check the ideological boxes to pander to the base - and slide as far to the left or right as they feel is necesaary

Hillary adopts that good ol down home Virginny plantation accent when she goes to a bkack church to talk about "opportunity"

Jeb will start talking about a wall

ALL the GOPers will be pro life and small government

they all pretend to be fully in one camp or another - and thats as dishonest as ideological purity is stupid (thats Bernie Sanders)

so i reiterate

the only actual candidate on either side that i could vote for at this point would be Webb - but he resembles a conk to the donks and a donk to the conks and therefore he wont be heard

you gotta be about either ALL gummint cheese or NO gummint cheese to get a look

You don't think Kasich, Trump, and Paul buck that trend a little?

no, they all pander to a degree- it doesnt matter how much - once you do it, you're saying what people want to hear to get elected

[CAA Flagship]

Like an onion, the more you peel back the layers, the more it stinks.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/h ... z3wJE8tWgg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[kalm]

Like an onion, the more you peel back the layers, the more it stinks.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/h ... z3wJE8tWgg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Yep. That's pretty much how it's done. (Note he admitted to doing the same with the Bush and Obama administrations).

Legalized corruption.

[Chizzang]

Like an onion, the more you peel back the layers, the more it stinks.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/h ... z3wJE8tWgg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Yep. That's pretty much how it's done. (Note he admitted to doing the same with the Bush and Obama administrations).

Legalized corruption.

Wait, so you're saying we didn't get "Change!" with the Obama administration...?
He very specifically promised us CHANGE



Just when I thought we were making progress you break my heart

[CAA Flagship]

Yep. That's pretty much how it's done. (Note he admitted to doing the same with the Bush and Obama administrations).

Legalized corruption.

Wait, so you're saying we didn't get "Change!" with the Obama administration...?
He very specifically promised us CHANGE



Just when I thought we were making progress you break my heart

Here you go. This is the "change" left over from the $10 you earned, after taxes were extracted.

[CAA Flagship]

And the beat goes on. 66 more classified emails found in latest batch.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/01 ... sages.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[93henfan]

And the beat goes on. 66 more classified emails found in latest batch.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/01 ... sages.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This paragraph from that article is particularly damning:

In response to Clinton's request for a set of since-redacted talking points, Sullivan writes, "They say they've had issues sending secure fax. They're working on it." Clinton responds "If they can't, turn into nonpaper [with] no identifying heading and send nonsecure."

So, the aid was unable to send classified information over encrypted fax. She orders him to remove the classified markings and send it as unsecure.

That is jail time for any member of the federal government (military or civilian) as well as cleared contractors.

It's never been more clear. She willfully committed a criminal act. It's all right there for the world to see. There is no gray area.

[CAA Flagship]

And the beat goes on. 66 more classified emails found in latest batch.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/01 ... sages.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This paragraph from that article is particularly damning:

In response to Clinton's request for a set of since-redacted talking points, Sullivan writes, "They say they've had issues sending secure fax. They're working on it." Clinton responds "If they can't, turn into nonpaper [with] no identifying heading and send nonsecure."

So, the aid was unable to send classified information over encrypted fax. She orders him to remove the classified markings and send it as unsecure.

That is jail time for any member of the federal government (military or civilian) as well as cleared contractors.

It's never been more clear. She willfully committed a criminal act. It's all right there for the world to see. There is no gray area.

At the very least, her punishment should match similar cases in the past. If there are none, shoot her in the back.

[Baldy]

Oh my. Not like it matters, but...

Inspector General: Clinton emails had intel from most secretive, classified programs

EXCLUSIVE: Hillary Clinton's emails on her unsecured, homebrew server contained intelligence from the U.S. government's most secretive and highly classified programs, according to an unclassified letter from a top inspector general to senior lawmakers.

Fox News exclusively obtained the text of the unclassified letter, sent Jan. 14 from Intelligence Community Inspector General I. Charles McCullough III. It laid out the findings of a recent comprehensive review by intelligence agencies that identified "several dozen" additional classified emails -- including specific intelligence known as "special access programs" (SAP).

That indicates a level of classification beyond even “top secret,” the label previously given to two emails found on her server, and brings even more scrutiny to the presidential candidate’s handling of the government’s closely held secrets.

“To date, I have received two sworn declarations from one [intelligence community] element. These declarations cover several dozen emails containing classified information determined by the IC element to be at the confidential, secret, and top secret/sap levels,” said the IG letter to lawmakers with oversight of the intelligence community and State Department. “According to the declarant, these documents contain information derived from classified IC element sources.”

This bitch needs to be put in front of a firing squad.

[ASUG8]

I'm still blown away that uncle Bernie gave her a pass at the debate on e-mail security. If he brings it up now he'll be labeled a hypocrite. The GOP should make this a front and center issue and make her address it ad nauseum.

[CID1990]

SecDef is contemplating busting Petraeus down in rank as we speak. He doesn't think he's paid enough of a price for what he did.

A tacit message to the AG, maybe?

its gonna be fun, folks- the mental gymnastics alone are going to be worthy of cirque du soleil

[Ivytalk]

And Joe Biden is warming up in the bullpen. Should be fun!

[Chizzang]

I wonder if America can survive...
Will we be able to eek out a quiet safe place



Burn the Witch

[Ibanez]

And Joe Biden is warming up in the bullpen. Should be fun!

Isn't it too late for him, unless he goes into the convention and steals votes?

[kalm]

I wonder if America can survive...
Will we be able to eek out a quiet safe place



Burn the Witch

[CID1990]

As a leader/manager/administrator at any level in the public or private sector it is her responsibility to ask why, what are the pro's and con's, etc and then to approve or disapprove the decision. And whether she understood or not, she is ultimately responsible for the action. The buck stops with her.

I have occasionally used my personal e-mail when my work e-mail was down and I had to get something out but I always copied my work e-mail so that there would be an official record of it and was very clear with the recipients about why they were getting an e-mail from that address. Transparency is a good thing but Hillary appears to be allergic.

This entire Email thing is hardly about national security or transparency
or whatever catch phrase of the week...
What its about is making it stick and having anybody else have a chance at beating her
That's the bottom line

The outrage, shock horror and appall is perfectly scaled to meet demand
If she slips through this - it is officially OVER for the GOP in this presidential race
So as much as we're supposed to be (see: Horrified - Appalled above) what we're really watching is to see if she can wiggle out of this situation... because if she does - good night Irene

America has somehow survived the atrocity of wiki-leaks and managed to eek out a corner of the globe where we can limp along in relative peace and safety after the entire world went ablaze from the disaster

Oh.. wait... Yeah that's right that didn't happen
The shopping Malls didn't close
The airports still worked just fine
Nobody stopped texting while driving
the distractions of daily life never even skipped a beat

The Hillary Email Scandal is no Wiki-Leak
But the only hope the GOP has is to make it - at the very least - as significant

You're dead wrong on this one, Cleets.

I know you're cynical about our politicians and government in general- I am too. And for many people, you're right about their motivations- this IS about getting Hillary Clinton.

But you're wrong about the implications- they do exist and they ARE serious. When the kind of stuff she had on her server gets out in the open, good people do die. It doesn't take much for foreign intelligence to figure out who our snitches are, and they can also assess our capabilites. It matters- this person who couldn't be bothered to safeguard sensitive info wants the keys to the realm- she doesn't deserve them, and the last thing we need is people carrying her water for her out of a sense of "well, it isn't a big deal it's just politics"m

One tidbit that people are missing in the latest email revelation is that Steve Mull was trying to get her to accept a dept blackberry because her personal server had crashed FOUR times. Why was it crashing? Because the Chinese and the Russians and god knows who else were crawling around inside it. The whole reason we know about her server is because Sidney Blumenthal's own email had been hacked. Even a teenage kid woud have been able tpo identify her email from that.

Add to this that NOBODY is going to want to give us intelligence if they can't even trust the nation's top diplomat to safeguard that info. In that respect, this is worse than wikileaks.

Just because we are a banana republic doesn't mean we should be throwing up our hands and saying "well fvck it, we're a banana republic". We still need to demand that our leaders follow the law when it comes to state secrets.

[houndawg]

I'm still blown away that uncle Bernie gave her a pass at the debate on e-mail security. If he brings it up now he'll be labeled a hypocrite. The GOP should make this a front and center issue and make her address it ad nauseum.

Funny how he mostly sticks to the issues. Bernie is going to be the nominee, that's who the conks should be preparing for instead of wasting their time picking at Hillary's carcass.

[ASUG8]

I'm still blown away that uncle Bernie gave her a pass at the debate on e-mail security. If he brings it up now he'll be labeled a hypocrite. The GOP should make this a front and center issue and make her address it ad nauseum.

Funny how he mostly sticks to the issues. Bernie is going to be the nominee, that's who the conks should be preparing for instead of wasting their time picking at Hillary's carcass.

Even if you're right on Bernie (about which I'm doubtful) the DOJ needs to investigate Hillary after the FBI is finished and without any undue influence from the executive branch. If the FBI came banging on my door to get access to my computer, they'd just come in and take it. Why can she get by with releasing bits and pieces as she gets around to it? It's a double standard for top tier politicians and us lowly citizens.