BYU Kicks Davies off team

[dbackjon]

From what I've heard/read about BYU it's like a kindergarten with all the tattling going on...

When I used to see a girl from Liberty, her roommate was cool with me staying overnight. One night we were up talking late and a girl from the hall heard us and woke up the RA to notify her. Anyways, I was escorted off campus by security and my friend AND her roommate both got like 15 "reprimands" and a $50 fine (which I paid).

They didn't call Homeland Security on ya?

[∞∞∞]

When I used to see a girl from Liberty, her roommate was cool with me staying overnight. One night we were up talking late and a girl from the hall heard us and woke up the RA to notify her. Anyways, I was escorted off campus by security and my friend AND her roommate both got like 15 "reprimands" and a $50 fine (which I paid).

They didn't call Homeland Security on ya?

No, but they did call her parents.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

They didn't call Homeland Security on ya?

No, but they did call her parents.

wow... so much for "being an adult"

yeesh...

at NDSU we had mostly single-sex dorms - members of the opposite sex had to be out by 1 am on weeknights and 2 am on weekends, iirc

if you got caught - the offender was kicked out and sent home... if you were a frequent repeat offender... you usually had to deal with a fine of $25... but i don't that ever happened in the 4 years i lived on campus.

[SuperHornet]

No, but they did call her parents.

wow... so much for "being an adult"

yeesh...

at NDSU we had mostly single-sex dorms - members of the opposite sex had to be out by 1 am on weeknights and 2 am on weekends, iirc

if you got caught - the offender was kicked out and sent home... if you were a frequent repeat offender... you usually had to deal with a fine of $25... but i don't that ever happened in the 4 years i lived on campus.

Eh. At private schools, you know what you're signing up for. You get caught, you deserve what comes to ya.

At public schools, on the other hand, well, the policies had better be clear and made known at orientation. Kids are usually better at covering that stuff up at the public schools, though....

[TwinTownBisonFan]

wow... so much for "being an adult"

yeesh...

at NDSU we had mostly single-sex dorms - members of the opposite sex had to be out by 1 am on weeknights and 2 am on weekends, iirc

if you got caught - the offender was kicked out and sent home... if you were a frequent repeat offender... you usually had to deal with a fine of $25... but i don't that ever happened in the 4 years i lived on campus.

Eh. At private schools, you know what you're signing up for. You get caught, you deserve what comes to ya.

At public schools, on the other hand, well, the policies had better be clear and made known at orientation. Kids are usually better at covering that stuff up at the public schools, though....

covering it up? i dunno about that... they're just more realistic at the administration level about the consequences of putting 15,000 newly emancipated children in a contained environment with large amounts of drugs and alcohol and raging hormones...

I'm not saying that with private schools with honor codes that it isn't "buy the ticket, take the ride" because it certainly is... but good lord, what 18 year old in their right mind signs up to forgo some of the best parts of the college experience?

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... but good lord, what 18 year old in their right mind signs up to forgo some of the best parts of the college experience?

My friend ended up going there because her parents made her. She loved it though and didn't really have any complaints about the experience.* Other than breaking a few rules and having to pay some fines (thank God they never caught her for breaking some of the bigger rules), she honestly didn't have any issues with the Liberty experience.* If you ever visit, you'll find that they have a nice campus and other than some of the sketchy science that's taught, LU has some great academic programs. I mean, I respect their rules* and understand it's a school that's founded on conservative values.

*complete lie

[Grizalltheway]

No, but they did call her parents.

wow... so much for "being an adult"

yeesh...

at NDSU we had mostly single-sex dorms - members of the opposite sex had to be out by 1 am on weeknights and 2 am on weekends, iirc

if you got caught - the offender was kicked out and sent home... if you were a frequent repeat offender... you usually had to deal with a fine of $25... but i don't that ever happened in the 4 years i lived on campus.

At UM...all but two dorms are coed...alternating floors...

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I was just reading BYU's message board and their users think that Davies should be reinstated and given a lesser punishment if he immediately agrees to marry his girlfriend. From all the options available, that's their solution to salvage a basketball season...something that essentially amounts to a forced marriage.

[bandl]

I'm not saying that with private schools with honor codes that it isn't "buy the ticket, take the ride" because it certainly is... but good lord, what 18 year old in their right mind signs up to forgo some of the best parts of the college experience?

Um, one of our Liberty posters. I can't recall his name, cuz he's dead to me now, but he hasn't ever had beer/coffee. WTF!?!?! Sex while drinking beer? Yes, please! Sex while drinking coffee? Well, no, cuz that's not an opportune time for the squirts. But I'll surely have a cup of coffee afterwards with my cigarette!

[bluehenbillk]

BYU is like a scene from theat Shyamalan move "The Village", it's like their own little enclave that lives separate lives from the rest of the civilized world. Kicked off the team for having sex wth your gf, unbelievable.

[bluehenbillk]

Meanwhile, here's how the other guys that BYU competes against play:

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/col ... cords.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[93henfan]

BTW, how the hell did they find out that he had sex? Did the teammate Davies roomed with tattle on him?

If you're going to date a screamer, you better learn the hand-over-the-mouth technique or develop a choke fetish, stat!

[jcmanson]

I don't understand the heat BYU's admin is taking for this. It's not like they hide the honor code from the students. The guy agreed to live by it, and he knew the consequences of his actions.

[SuperHornet]

I don't understand the heat BYU's admin is taking for this. It's not like they hide the honor code from the students. The guy agreed to live by it, and he knew the consequences of his actions.

The problem is that it seems that the coach/AD seem to be taking flack for what was a SCHOOL decision. Like they should enforce differently for athletes. Give me a break....

(No, not everybody here was taking that tack. Others were taking the tack that it shouldn't be a school rule at all. They forget that private institutions reserve the right to stay true to their founding principles.)

[bluehenbillk]

I don't understand the heat BYU's admin is taking for this. It's not like they hide the honor code from the students. The guy agreed to live by it, and he knew the consequences of his actions.

True. But, I couldn't help but notice you're listed as a fan of Liberty. Regardless of what moral code you live by, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with the expected behaviors of a BYU or a Liberty student - they clearly are a minority and exceptions to what college students behaviors are stereotyped at across the country. There are countless stories of sex, drugs, alcohol, fights, arrests at countless college campuses - I just posted previously a link to just the police records for the top 25 FBS programs. Many people just read this & wonder why they make a big deal out of a victimless offense. Personally, I have a hard time calling having sex with your girlfriend an offense but that's the life I guess BYU students choose.

On a side note, all this can only help the new Broadway musical "The Book of Mormon" that the creators of South Park have put together - can't wait to see that one.

[jcmanson]

There are countless stories of sex, drugs, alcohol, fights, arrests at countless college campuses - I just posted previously a link to just the police records for the top 25 FBS programs. Many people just read this & wonder why they make a big deal out of a victimless offense. Personally, I have a hard time calling having sex with your girlfriend an offense but that's the life I guess BYU students choose.

At most schools, this is standard behavior. But schools like BYU, its not. The players agree to live by the honor code before they ever step foot on the court. They also know what the consequences could/will be of their behavior.

[DJH]

[Grizalltheway]

[TwinTownBisonFan]

I don't understand the heat BYU's admin is taking for this. It's not like they hide the honor code from the students. The guy agreed to live by it, and he knew the consequences of his actions.

nah - see my previous comment re: buy the ticket, take the ride...

I just can't understand why a D-I caliber athlete, with many options, would CHOOSE to go to a school like that. Not for nothing, and I don't mean it as an offense to an LU alum or student (presumably)... it's just not something that "I" understand.

[jcmanson]

I don't understand the heat BYU's admin is taking for this. It's not like they hide the honor code from the students. The guy agreed to live by it, and he knew the consequences of his actions.

nah - see my previous comment re: buy the ticket, take the ride...

I just can't understand why a D-I caliber athlete, with many options, would CHOOSE to go to a school like that. Not for nothing, and I don't mean it as an offense to an LU alum or student (presumably)... it's just not something that "I" understand.

Thousands of college students, hundreds of D1 athletes, do it every year.

I don't take any offense, I understand drinking/partying/sleeping around is very much a part of "normal" college behavior. And it happens at LU also (I'm sure it also happens at BYU, obviously now) it's just not at the same level as other colleges.

[dbackjon]

I don't understand the heat BYU's admin is taking for this. It's not like they hide the honor code from the students. The guy agreed to live by it, and he knew the consequences of his actions.

nah - see my previous comment re: buy the ticket, take the ride...

I just can't understand why a D-I caliber athlete, with many options, would CHOOSE to go to a school like that. Not for nothing, and I don't mean it as an offense to an LU alum or student (presumably)... it's just not something that "I" understand.

Davies, from what I can gather, is Mormon, so BYU was a logical choice.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

http://deadspin.com/#!5775738/a-byu-gra ... e-standard

may have changed my mind...

turns out - this likely ISN'T even-handed handling of their "honor code"

normally there is a process...
normally it's private...

by the looks of it... they hung this kid out to dry in order to look good. (and if you read the columnists... they're all nodding their head at what BYU did being "all principled")

[SDHornet]

... but good lord, what 18 year old in their right mind signs up to forgo some of the best parts of the college experience?

My friend ended up going there because her parents made her. She loved it though and didn't really have any complaints about the experience.* Other than breaking a few rules and having to pay some fines (thank God they never caught her for breaking some of the bigger rules), she honestly didn't have any issues with the Liberty experience.* If you ever visit, you'll find that they have a nice campus and other than some of the sketchy science that's taught, LU has some great academic programs. I mean, I respect their rules* and understand it's a school that's founded on conservative values.

*complete lie

[SDHornet]

wow... so much for "being an adult"

yeesh...

at NDSU we had mostly single-sex dorms - members of the opposite sex had to be out by 1 am on weeknights and 2 am on weekends, iirc

if you got caught - the offender was kicked out and sent home... if you were a frequent repeat offender... you usually had to deal with a fine of $25... but i don't that ever happened in the 4 years i lived on campus.

At UM...all but two dorms are coed...alternating floors...

All of Sac State's are co-ed. Some by floor, some by wing, and the one I was in alternated by door.

[SuperHornet]

At UM...all but two dorms are coed...alternating floors...

All of Sac State's are co-ed. Some by floor, some by wing, and the one I was in alternated by door.

At the time I was at Sac, Sierra Hall was coed by door. Grace Covell Hall at UOP (with a Methodist history and still recognizes Methodist scholarships though they don't really go by that anymore) is coed by door. (Those were the dorms I stayed at during my time there.)

I've heard that some schools are "enlightened" enough to have coed rooms. Not sure I could handle that, but as adults things could probably be "worked out."