Skjellyfetti wrote:No. According to the Conks in the "Obama brain surgery conspiracy" thread... this isn't "pushing" the rumor... it's merely mentioning it.... and there's a distinct difference....HI54UNI wrote:
Interesting that the lib is pushing the gay rumor.......I think. Get them to explain it for you.
I like some of the Talking Heads stuff and Charlie Christ is not one of my favorites.David Byrne is god.
You could be right, but I haven't met him.JohnStOnge wrote:I like some of the Talking Heads stuff and Charlie Christ is not one of my favorites.David Byrne is god.
But David Byrne is a jerk.
JohnStOnge wrote:I like some of the Talking Heads stuff and Charlie Christ is not one of my favorites.David Byrne is god.
But David Byrne is a jerk.
Chris Frantz and Tina Weymouth are the heart. I like Byrne a little more, now. And I guess you have the polling data to support that statement.he lost that primary in part due to those rumors...
I don't know what MAKES him a jerk. But what we're talking about in this thread is certainly indicative of being a jerk.Is there anything in particular that makes him a jerk?
If I say, "Charlie Christ's political opponents attacked him based on rumors that he is homosexual," I am mentioning that there are rumors that he is homosexual and that some people are using that.No. According to the Conks in the "Obama brain surgery conspiracy" thread... this isn't "pushing" the rumor... it's merely mentioning it.... and there's a distinct difference.... I think. Get them to explain it for you.
I read through this whole thread before watching the video, and quite frankly I was expecting Crist to self-flagellate on video, call himself demeaning names, etc. What I saw was a professional, well thought out (obviously with some suggestions from Byrne) and seemingly sincere apology. I guess I should have just watched the vid first, since it was kind of a let-down after all the comments.Skjellyfetti wrote:[youtube][/youtube]American genius David Byrne recently settled his copyright complaint against former Florida Gov. Charlie Crist, who used a Talking Heads song without permission in his U.S. Senate campaign, by making Crist film this 90-second abject apology and post it to YouTube.
No. Honor and integrity would have been making an apology on your own free will. Not being forced to by a lawsuit or the treat of losing thousands of dollars.CID1990 wrote:You see, SK, what you cannot understand here is that there are things that people of honor and principle do. One of those things is that they take responsibility for their actions, as well as for the actions of people acting on their behalf. It is not surprising that you see this as simply one man humiliating another, because that is right about at the ceiling of your intellect.
I know very little about Charlie Crist. Maybe he is a slimeball for all I know, but he did something you cannot understand, SK. He behaved like a man of character and delivered the apology that Byrne wanted. He could have said "Nope, take me to court and I'll just pay the money."
TwinTownBisonFan wrote:you are new, aren't you?blueballs wrote:
That is patently false. Crist is married to a New York socialite.
Crist chose to switch parties and run as an independent after Marco Rubio pimp slapped him in the GOP primaries.
the Crist as gay rumors have run rampant for years. and Rubio and the Tea Party were pushing that narrative aggressively. Hell, I'm 1500 miles away, and I knew about it.
Crist has been divorced four times, each marriage being a little more beard-like... largely to keep up appearances.
he lost that primary in part due to those rumors...
They never want to admit the real reason when they lose. It is always better for them to make something up that better fits their overall narrative.Baldy wrote:TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
you are new, aren't you?
the Crist as gay rumors have run rampant for years. and Rubio and the Tea Party were pushing that narrative aggressively. Hell, I'm 1500 miles away, and I knew about it.
Crist has been divorced four times, each marriage being a little more beard-like... largely to keep up appearances.
he lost that primary in part due to those rumors...
I believe blueballs is a little more connected to Florida politics than you are, so excuse me if I take his word over yours.
Nice try though.
The fact that Rubio was a much better candidate notwithstanding, Charlie Crist being an opportunistic chameleon is why he got crushed during the Republican primaries.
Crist was pro-life one day then pro-choice the next. One day he was anti-gay marriage, but the next he was pro-gay marriage. The same can be said about adoption rights for gay parents...for it one day against it the next. One side of his mouth is anti drilling off the Florida coast, but the other side of his mouth says something totally different. He "didn't support the stimulus package" according to his interviews with the press, but he was one of the first ones humping Obama's leg with his hand out begging for stimulus money.
As you said, you're 1500 miles away. You didn't get to hear and see the daily barrage of Rubio's commercials featuring Charlie contradicting himself in his own words and in his own voice. After a few days of these commercials, even Charlie knew his campaign was DOA.
CID1990 wrote:I read through this whole thread before watching the video, and quite frankly I was expecting Crist to self-flagellate on video, call himself demeaning names, etc. What I saw was a professional, well thought out (obviously with some suggestions from Byrne) and seemingly sincere apology. I guess I should have just watched the vid first, since it was kind of a let-down after all the comments.Skjellyfetti wrote: [youtube][/youtube]
I do not see this as David Byrne humiliating Charlie Crist. You see, SK, what you cannot understand here is that there are things that people of honor and principle do. One of those things is that they take responsibility for their actions, as well as for the actions of people acting on their behalf. It is not surprising that you see this as simply one man humiliating another, because that is right about at the ceiling of your intellect.
I know very little about Charlie Crist. Maybe he is a slimeball for all I know, but he did something you cannot understand, SK. He behaved like a man of character and delivered the apology that Byrne wanted. He could have said "Nope, take me to court and I'll just pay the money."
CHARACTER: As foreign to SK as a piece of pu$$y.
No shit. If he's a 'person of honor and principle', why did he use the song without permission in the first place? Shit, why is he running for political office if he has so much character?houndawg wrote:CID1990 wrote:
I read through this whole thread before watching the video, and quite frankly I was expecting Crist to self-flagellate on video, call himself demeaning names, etc. What I saw was a professional, well thought out (obviously with some suggestions from Byrne) and seemingly sincere apology. I guess I should have just watched the vid first, since it was kind of a let-down after all the comments.
I do not see this as David Byrne humiliating Charlie Crist. You see, SK, what you cannot understand here is that there are things that people of honor and principle do. One of those things is that they take responsibility for their actions, as well as for the actions of people acting on their behalf. It is not surprising that you see this as simply one man humiliating another, because that is right about at the ceiling of your intellect.
I know very little about Charlie Crist. Maybe he is a slimeball for all I know, but he did something you cannot understand, SK. He behaved like a man of character and delivered the apology that Byrne wanted. He could have said "Nope, take me to court and I'll just pay the money."
CHARACTER: As foreign to SK as a piece of pu$$y.
Dude. That is so deep.
Crist did it to avoid getting the bejeezus sued out of him.
Best part is you know Byrne was behind the camera making sure that Crist was demonstrating sufficient sincerity, probably had him do a couple of dozen takes.
not pushing anything - the rumor has been around for over a decade. and rubio's people (and much of the FL GOP establishment) pushed it aggressively throughout the primary.HI54UNI wrote:Interesting that the lib is pushing the gay rumor.......TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
you are new, aren't you?
the Crist as gay rumors have run rampant for years. and Rubio and the Tea Party were pushing that narrative aggressively. Hell, I'm 1500 miles away, and I knew about it.
Crist has been divorced four times, each marriage being a little more beard-like... largely to keep up appearances.
he lost that primary in part due to those rumors...
and Rubio wouldn't have been able to buy those ads had he not established himself early by appealing to base conservatives... the gay narrative underpinned his campaign in the early days (so too did his hard-line right wing positions and rhetoric, no doubt) - and gave him viability he wouldn't have otherwise hadBaldy wrote:TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
you are new, aren't you?
the Crist as gay rumors have run rampant for years. and Rubio and the Tea Party were pushing that narrative aggressively. Hell, I'm 1500 miles away, and I knew about it.
Crist has been divorced four times, each marriage being a little more beard-like... largely to keep up appearances.
he lost that primary in part due to those rumors...
I believe blueballs is a little more connected to Florida politics than you are, so excuse me if I take his word over yours.
Nice try though.
The fact that Rubio was a much better candidate notwithstanding, Charlie Crist being an opportunistic chameleon is why he got crushed during the Republican primaries.
Crist was pro-life one day then pro-choice the next. One day he was anti-gay marriage, but the next he was pro-gay marriage. The same can be said about adoption rights for gay parents...for it one day against it the next. One side of his mouth is anti drilling off the Florida coast, but the other side of his mouth says something totally different. He "didn't support the stimulus package" according to his interviews with the press, but he was one of the first ones humping Obama's leg with his hand out begging for stimulus money.
As you said, you're 1500 miles away. You didn't get to hear and see the daily barrage of Rubio's commercials featuring Charlie contradicting himself in his own words and in his own voice. After a few days of these commercials, even Charlie knew his campaign was DOA.
Coming from the king of spin, I suppose that's not too insulting.Skjellyfetti wrote:No. Honor and integrity would have been making an apology on your own free will. Not being forced to by a lawsuit or the treat of losing thousands of dollars.CID1990 wrote:You see, SK, what you cannot understand here is that there are things that people of honor and principle do. One of those things is that they take responsibility for their actions, as well as for the actions of people acting on their behalf. It is not surprising that you see this as simply one man humiliating another, because that is right about at the ceiling of your intellect.
I know very little about Charlie Crist. Maybe he is a slimeball for all I know, but he did something you cannot understand, SK. He behaved like a man of character and delivered the apology that Byrne wanted. He could have said "Nope, take me to court and I'll just pay the money."
Spinning this as an example of honor, principle, and integrity is a **** joke.
If it isn't done under duress, sure, and perhaps he is a truly remorseful thief, but usually your thief is only remorseful about getting caught. So I have my doubts about Chuck being filled with nobility. More likely Byrne's lawyers had him by the balls and he risked losing serious money.CID1990 wrote:Coming from the king of spin, I suppose that's not too insulting.Skjellyfetti wrote:
No. Honor and integrity would have been making an apology on your own free will. Not being forced to by a lawsuit or the treat of losing thousands of dollars.
Spinning this as an example of honor, principle, and integrity is a **** joke.
Like I said, I don't know what kind of guy Crist is, I know next to nothing about him. All I see is a guy making an apology and admitting he was wrong. He certainly could have gone to court and lost, and would still be able to maintain that he did not believe he or his campaign did anything wrong.
Again, to you it's humiliation. It's about one-upmanship and gotcha politics. To me, it's taking responsibility. Since the guy is, in fact, on camera making this very public apology means that the only spin going on here is yours when you try to assert that this was his only option and that was the only reason he did it.
Are you somehow claiming that Crist's action vis a vis this video was not the honorable path after using Byrne's song?
What?TwinTownBisonFan wrote:and Rubio wouldn't have been able to buy those ads had he not established himself early by appealing to base conservatives... the gay narrative underpinned his campaign in the early days (so too did his hard-line right wing positions and rhetoric, no doubt) - and gave him viability he wouldn't have otherwise hadBaldy wrote:
I believe blueballs is a little more connected to Florida politics than you are, so excuse me if I take his word over yours.
Nice try though.
The fact that Rubio was a much better candidate notwithstanding, Charlie Crist being an opportunistic chameleon is why he got crushed during the Republican primaries.
Crist was pro-life one day then pro-choice the next. One day he was anti-gay marriage, but the next he was pro-gay marriage. The same can be said about adoption rights for gay parents...for it one day against it the next. One side of his mouth is anti drilling off the Florida coast, but the other side of his mouth says something totally different. He "didn't support the stimulus package" according to his interviews with the press, but he was one of the first ones humping Obama's leg with his hand out begging for stimulus money.
As you said, you're 1500 miles away. You didn't get to hear and see the daily barrage of Rubio's commercials featuring Charlie contradicting himself in his own words and in his own voice. After a few days of these commercials, even Charlie knew his campaign was DOA.
Baldy, most conks, especially the hard-line right, are also closet homosexuals.Baldy wrote:What?TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
and Rubio wouldn't have been able to buy those ads had he not established himself early by appealing to base conservatives... the gay narrative underpinned his campaign in the early days (so too did his hard-line right wing positions and rhetoric, no doubt) - and gave him viability he wouldn't have otherwise had
He appealed to the base conservatives because he seems to have core beliefs and was able to connect with the base better than criss cross Charlie ever did.
I know the Donk party line is to paint all conservatives as homophobes, racists, anti-immigrant, etc. but sorry, Charie Crist lost because: 1) He was a horrible candidate. AND 2) Marco Rubio ran a much better campaign. Period.
Actually, most homosexuals are closet conks.D1B wrote:Baldy, most conks, especially the hard-line right, are also closet homosexuals.
Dude, I spent 5 years working with base conservatives - I know full and well what they are. I also know what the GOP has done in the past 15 years to purge itself of anyone who isn't a strict adherent to those extreme views. Crist's defeat by Rubio is just another example of a moderate being pushed out by a party embracing a hard-line agenda.Baldy wrote:What?TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
and Rubio wouldn't have been able to buy those ads had he not established himself early by appealing to base conservatives... the gay narrative underpinned his campaign in the early days (so too did his hard-line right wing positions and rhetoric, no doubt) - and gave him viability he wouldn't have otherwise had
He appealed to the base conservatives because he seems to have core beliefs and was able to connect with the base better than criss cross Charlie ever did.
I know the Donk party line is to paint all conservatives as homophobes, racists, anti-immigrant, etc. but sorry, Charie Crist lost because: 1) He was a horrible candidate. AND 2) Marco Rubio ran a much better campaign. Period.
Baldy wrote:What?TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
and Rubio wouldn't have been able to buy those ads had he not established himself early by appealing to base conservatives... the gay narrative underpinned his campaign in the early days (so too did his hard-line right wing positions and rhetoric, no doubt) - and gave him viability he wouldn't have otherwise had
He appealed to the base conservatives because he seems to have core beliefs and was able to connect with the base better than criss cross Charlie ever did.
I know the Donk party line is to paint all conservatives as homophobes, racists, anti-immigrant, etc. but sorry, Charie Crist lost because: 1) He was a horrible candidate. AND 2) Marco Rubio ran a much better campaign. Period.
That's possible. But I don't default directly to the humiliation factor in something like this. Perhaps his wallet was smaller than his ego, in which case he did this under duress.houndawg wrote:If it isn't done under duress, sure, and perhaps he is a truly remorseful thief, but usually your thief is only remorseful about getting caught. So I have my doubts about Chuck being filled with nobility. More likely Byrne's lawyers had him by the balls and he risked losing serious money.CID1990 wrote:
Coming from the king of spin, I suppose that's not too insulting.
Like I said, I don't know what kind of guy Crist is, I know next to nothing about him. All I see is a guy making an apology and admitting he was wrong. He certainly could have gone to court and lost, and would still be able to maintain that he did not believe he or his campaign did anything wrong.
Again, to you it's humiliation. It's about one-upmanship and gotcha politics. To me, it's taking responsibility. Since the guy is, in fact, on camera making this very public apology means that the only spin going on here is yours when you try to assert that this was his only option and that was the only reason he did it.
Are you somehow claiming that Crist's action vis a vis this video was not the honorable path after using Byrne's song?
TwinTownBisonFan wrote:Dude, I spent 5 years working with base conservatives - I know full and well what they are. I also know what the GOP has done in the past 15 years to purge itself of anyone who isn't a strict adherent to those extreme views. Crist's defeat by Rubio is just another example of a moderate being pushed out by a party embracing a hard-line agenda.Baldy wrote:
What?
He appealed to the base conservatives because he seems to have core beliefs and was able to connect with the base better than criss cross Charlie ever did.
I know the Donk party line is to paint all conservatives as homophobes, racists, anti-immigrant, etc. but sorry, Charie Crist lost because: 1) He was a horrible candidate. AND 2) Marco Rubio ran a much better campaign. Period.
