Trees Migrating North Due to Warming

[Appaholic]

Indeed wedgie. And to flatly claim that some or all of it is NOT anyway connected to human activity is the folly of ignorance

Blind faith in hatred of humanity.

Jon. Spend less time on DU and more time studying. Constant CO2 increases are A RESULT of cyclical global warming. Paleontologists have proven that in several studies, yet the haters cover their ears and humm to block reality.
Moreso, government studies by the UK and U.S. have also shown that chemically, the concentrations of other greenhouse gasses, prinicipally water vapor and methane have greater impact to climate than CO2.

Ask yourself this: Why is there such a panic to enact "Global Warming" regulations IMMEDIATELY?

Answer: The longer time passes WITHOUT the enactment of CO2 and carbon reducing legislation, the sooner this scam will become uncovered. Once the regulations are in place, REGARDLESS OF REAL SCIENCE and research which would have confirmed that CO2 elevations result FROM temperature increases, not the other way around, the Alarmist/Humanity Haters can exhale, sit back, and relax knowing there's no way to prove they were wrong...

And with new Global low temperatures being set daily around the world...along with a global economic crisis...I suspect we won't be seeing any significant GLOBAL regulations/changes in CO2 emissions for at least a few decades...and then, merely as a result of improvements in industrial efficiency, hence, the Alarmist's day of reckoning is fast approaching.

This is gonna hurt, but I gotta agree with T-Man on this debate.......to a point. The world is getting warmer, but it's cyclical IMO. Yes, humans impact global temperatures, but aren't we, as humans, part of the natural world? We impact global temperatures just like any other animal on this earth. But I fear our impact on this earth will be more drastic due to overpopulation & over-allocation of natural resourcs than "warming" due to CO2 emmissions. The irony is that our advances in medical technology prolonging life will possibly hasten the demise of life as we currently know it on this planet. But that opinion and $.50 might get you a cup of coffee.........

[Gil Dobie]

Agree, mildly. That being said, people would be prudent to error on the side of caution and take action on the warnings.

The only way to be safe is to send all your money to Algore who is on the side of caution.

Building Nuclear power plants that don't emit carbon is unrealistic, we will just have to burn more coal to produce electricity for all the electric cars.

[D1B]

Appoholic: This is gonna hurt, but I gotta agree with T-Man on this debate.......to a point. The world is getting warmer, but it's cyclical IMO. Yes, humans impact global temperatures, but aren't we, as humans, part of the natural world? We impact global temperatures just like any other animal on this earth. But I fear our impact on this earth will be more drastic due to overpopulation & over-allocation of natural resourcs than "warming" due to CO2 emmissions. The irony is that our advances in medical technology prolonging life will possibly hasten the demise of life as we currently know it on this planet. But that opinion and $.50 might get you a cup of coffee

In reasonable numbers only.

Overpopulation and over-allocation of natural resources (industry) ARE the primary cause of CO2 emmissions.

Warming is cyclical, over thousands or millions of years, not 40.

Regardless, we're witnessing disturbing trends in global climate change, whether they be natural or anthropogenic or both. Don't you think it's reasonable to error or act on the side of caution and address this?

Besides the possible causes you mentioned here are a few more:
Cattle and consumption of meat
Massive deforestation, especially in the Amazon Rain Forest basin
China, India, Brazil, Argentina, and Russia rapidly becoming power consumers like our fat asses
Massive overpopulation in the Middle East

[Gil Dobie]

In a related story,

Tree Huggers Migrating North Due to Warming

[grizzaholic]

Hey, I am eating all the cows I can in order to stop their destructive nature on this planet.

[Wedgebuster]

Hey, I am eating all the cows I can in order to stop their destructive nature on this planet.

Tried that, couldn't.

Just trying to work on the rib loins from now on.

[grizzaholic]

Hey, I am eating all the cows I can in order to stop their destructive nature on this planet.

Tried that, couldn't.

Just trying to work on the rib loins from now on.

Maybe I should start doing that then.

[dbackjon]

Hey, I am eating all the cows I can in order to stop their destructive nature on this planet.

See - you and my wolves have something in common!

[grizzaholic]

Hey, I am eating all the cows I can in order to stop their destructive nature on this planet.

See - you and my wolves have something in common!

But I want to eat your wolves too. All of them. All OF THEM.

[Gil Dobie]

When the cattle are gone the wolves will start dining on people.

[dbackjon]

When the cattle are gone the wolves will start dining on people.

Which would help that over population problem.

[Col Hogan]

All we have to do is figure out a way to capture all those cattle farts and we can power a city...and have our beef...

http://www.theage.com.au/news/climate-w ... 22326.html

[grizzaholic]

When the cattle are gone the wolves will start dining on people.

Which would help that over population problem.

Why didn't they release grizzly bears in the bread basket of America and wolves in central park? If they did that I would have no problems with the wolves here, as long as I could hunt them.

[Appaholic]

Appoholic: This is gonna hurt, but I gotta agree with T-Man on this debate.......to a point. The world is getting warmer, but it's cyclical IMO. Yes, humans impact global temperatures, but aren't we, as humans, part of the natural world? We impact global temperatures just like any other animal on this earth. But I fear our impact on this earth will be more drastic due to overpopulation & over-allocation of natural resourcs than "warming" due to CO2 emmissions. The irony is that our advances in medical technology prolonging life will possibly hasten the demise of life as we currently know it on this planet. But that opinion and $.50 might get you a cup of coffee

In reasonable numbers only.

Overpopulation and over-allocation of natural resources (industry) ARE the primary cause of CO2 emmissions.

Warming is cyclical, over thousands or millions of years, not 40.

Regardless, we're witnessing disturbing trends in global climate change, whether they be natural or anthropogenic or both. Don't you think it's reasonable to error or act on the side of caution and address this?

Besides the possible causes you mentioned here are a few more:
Cattle and consumption of meat
Massive deforestation, especially in the Amazon Rain Forest basin
China, India, Brazil, Argentina, and Russia rapidly becoming power consumers like our fat asses
Massive overpopulation in the Middle East

I'm all for acting but, IMO, birth control, sterilization, and a good old-fashioned plague would do more to curb this problem than paying a government entity for carbon credits. The earth is going to take care of itself. IMO, the impacts of industrialization to global warning, if any, in our country is miniscule compared to the damage being done by overpopulation in India and China. Yes, we are the consumers, but China is slowly creeping up on our numbers. And would we consume as much if the price was higher? And you're never gonna get higher prices until the most abundant and cheapest commodity in these countries, labor workforce, is controlled.....more abortions are obviously the solution to this world's ills.

[dbackjon]

Which would help that over population problem.

Why didn't they release grizzly bears in the bread basket of America and wolves in central park? If they did that I would have no problems with the wolves here, as long as I could hunt them.

Your idea has merit. I will have to review, and get back to you.

[Col Hogan]

[AZGrizFan]

All I'm saying is that they aren't necessarily being unbiased about it, D. Think about that, and get back to me.

Look at the sources. Exxon/Big Oil VS the National Geographic Society

If your life depended on it, who would you choose?

Can the National Geographic Society put gas in my car?



Yeah. Didn't think so.

[D1B]

In reasonable numbers only.

Overpopulation and over-allocation of natural resources (industry) ARE the primary cause of CO2 emmissions.

Warming is cyclical, over thousands or millions of years, not 40.

Regardless, we're witnessing disturbing trends in global climate change, whether they be natural or anthropogenic or both. Don't you think it's reasonable to error or act on the side of caution and address this?

Besides the possible causes you mentioned here are a few more:
Cattle and consumption of meat
Massive deforestation, especially in the Amazon Rain Forest basin
China, India, Brazil, Argentina, and Russia rapidly becoming power consumers like our fat asses
Massive overpopulation in the Middle East

I'm all for acting but, IMO, birth control, sterilization, and a good old-fashioned plague would do more to curb this problem than paying a government entity for carbon credits. The earth is going to take care of itself. IMO, the impacts of industrialization to global warning, if any, in our country is miniscule compared to the damage being done by overpopulation in India and China. Yes, we are the consumers, but China is slowly creeping up on our numbers. And would we consume as much if the price was higher? And you're never gonna get higher prices until the most abundant and cheapest commodity in these countries, labor workforce, is controlled.....more abortions are obviously the solution to this world's ills.

You sure about this, now? Maybe in the future, but we are the worst.

[Col Hogan]

[grizzaholic]

I would like to apologize on behalf of dback, Wedgebuster, Col, and myself on derailing this thread to talk about wolves and cows on your Tree Hugger thread. Sorry.

[Appaholic]

I'm all for acting but, IMO, birth control, sterilization, and a good old-fashioned plague would do more to curb this problem than paying a government entity for carbon credits. The earth is going to take care of itself. IMO, the impacts of industrialization to global warning, if any, in our country is miniscule compared to the damage being done by overpopulation in India and China. Yes, we are the consumers, but China is slowly creeping up on our numbers. And would we consume as much if the price was higher? And you're never gonna get higher prices until the most abundant and cheapest commodity in these countries, labor workforce, is controlled.....more abortions are obviously the solution to this world's ills.

You sure about this, now? Maybe in the future, but we are the worst.

No proof, but I would find it hard to believe, given the current environmental laws in place in this country, that our industry is destroying this earth at a rate comparable to China's currently......maybe so, but I'd like to see evidence....I'm open-minded.....

[Gil Dobie]

Can the National Geographic Society put gas in my car?

Yeah. Didn't think so.

You need to get an electric car, so we can build more coal power plants to produce the electricity for the cars.

[D1B]

You sure about this, now? Maybe in the future, but we are the worst.

No proof, but I would find it hard to believe, given the current environmental laws in place in this country, that our industry is destroying this earth at a rate comparable to China's currently......maybe so, but I'd like to see evidence....I'm open-minded.....

China just passed us as the world biggest polluter, last year. We are solid at #2. We use 25% of the world's energy.

[Gil Dobie]

No proof, but I would find it hard to believe, given the current environmental laws in place in this country, that our industry is destroying this earth at a rate comparable to China's currently......maybe so, but I'd like to see evidence....I'm open-minded.....

China just passed us as the world biggest polluter, last year. We are solid at #2. We use 25% of the world's energy.

Is Carbon Dioxide a polutant?

[dbackjon]

Can the National Geographic Society put gas in my car?

Yeah. Didn't think so.

You need to get an electric car, so we can build more coal power plants to produce the electricity for the cars.

Build more nuke plants. Problem solved