Catholics aint fucking around....

[JoltinJoe]

I wonder if the Conquistador's, acting in the name of christianity, killed any Mayan or Incan scientists?

Of course it would be difficult to determine as according to Wiki, the Spaniards and the church destroyed Mayan texts and along with them the knowledge of their writing system.

Maybe you can explain how the Catholic Church was responsible for the destruction of Mayan culture? If your answer is that Spain was a predominantly a Catholic country, and many in the Spanish military were therefore Catholic, don't bother.

It's amazing how any atrocity committed by the government/miltary which is predominantly Catholic is the responsibility of the Catholic Church. By that logic, let's talk about how the Protestant Church in America was responsible for slavery and the slave trade. But hey, most slave traders and owners were Protestants.

[mainejeff]

The Catholic Church has stolen so much from everyone throughout the centuries......why not science too?

[JoltinJoe]

2. Michael Servetus
3. Tommaso Campanella
4. Eufame Macalyane

Servrtus and Macalyane were executed by Calvinists; and Campanella was jailed in Spain and then freed due to the personal demand of the Pope.

But thanks for playing. We have some lovely parting gifts.

[kalm]

I wonder if the Conquistador's, acting in the name of christianity, killed any Mayan or Incan scientists?

Of course it would be difficult to determine as according to Wiki, the Spaniards and the church destroyed Mayan texts and along with them the knowledge of their writing system.

Maybe you can explain how the Catholic Church was responsible for the destruction of Mayan culture? If your answer is that Spain was a predominantly a Catholic country, and many in the Spanish military were therefore Catholic, don't bother.

I didn't say the church destroyed Mayan culture.

But in answer to your question the line between conquest in the name of the church, the king, or the nation appears pretty thin by the colonial period. If I'm not mistaken European Monarch's derived their authority to rule from God, and the Church by this time felt no need to have much of a standing army as the good word was being spread at the point of the swords of many christian nation's.

It's similar to asking did muslim terrorists bring down the world trade center or did the Afghani's?

[JoltinJoe]

Maybe you can explain how the Catholic Church was responsible for the destruction of Mayan culture? If your answer is that Spain was a predominantly a Catholic country, and many in the Spanish military were therefore Catholic, don't bother.

I didn't say the church destroyed Mayan culture.

But in answer to your question the line between conquest in the name of the church, the king, or the nation appears pretty thin by the colonial period. If I'm not mistaken European Monarch's derived their authority to rule from God, and the Church by this time felt no need to have much of a standing army as the good word was being spread at the point of the swords of many christian nation's.

It's similar to asking did muslim terrorists bring down the world trade center or did the Afghani's?

Many European monarchs claimed to rule by "divine right." That position was never accepted by the Roman Catholic Church, which has always taught that a monarch is inferior to divine and natural law. St. Thomas More, in fact, was executed by Henry VIII because he was refused to acknowledge that Henry ruled by divine right, and insisted that the monarchy was inferior to divine law.

[JMU DJ]

2. Michael Servetus
3. Tommaso Campanella
4. Eufame Macalyane

Servrtus and Macalyane were executed by Calvinists; and Campanella was jailed in Spain and then freed due to the personal demand of the Pope.

But thanks for playing. We have some lovely parting gifts.

Nice try, but you again fail. But hey, sorry for linking all christian religions together... in my book, they're all the same and have all been apart of travesties listed above. Keep on spinning your story though.

June 17, 1553
condemned to death (in absentia) in Vienne by the French Catholic Inquisition

http://www.calvin.edu/meeter/resources/servetus.htm

Oh man, that's from Calvin College... and they're saying it was the Catholics who imprisoned and killed Servetus... though I will throw you a bone and say Calvin has his hand in it.

[kalm]

I didn't say the church destroyed Mayan culture.

But in answer to your question the line between conquest in the name of the church, the king, or the nation appears pretty thin by the colonial period. If I'm not mistaken European Monarch's derived their authority to rule from God, and the Church by this time felt no need to have much of a standing army as the good word was being spread at the point of the swords of many christian nation's.

It's similar to asking did muslim terrorists bring down the world trade center or did the Afghani's?

Many European monarchs claimed to rule by "divine right." That position was never accepted by the Roman Catholic Church, which has always taught that a monarch is inferior to divine and natural law.

Tell that to the poor Mayan architect slain by a cross wearing, god fearing Spaniard come to the new world to take the gold and convert the heathens. I know, I know they didn't neccessarily kill him for his science. But in some respects, it doesn't really matter.

You make a good point with the devine right of kings, none the less, from a historical perspective the line between the actions of church and state is often blurry.

[JoltinJoe]

Servrtus and Macalyane were executed by Calvinists; and Campanella was jailed in Spain and then freed due to the personal demand of the Pope.

But thanks for playing. We have some lovely parting gifts.

Nice try, but you again fail. But hey, sorry for linking all christian religions together... in my book, they're all the same and have all been apart of travesties listed above. Keep on spinning your story though.

June 17, 1553
condemned to death (in absentia) in Vienne by the French Catholic Inquisition

http://www.calvin.edu/meeter/resources/servetus.htm

Oh man, that's from Calvin College... and they're saying it was the Catholics who imprisoned and killed Servetus... though I will throw you a bone and say Calvin has his hand in it.

Servetus was charged with heresy in France, but escaped before his trial.

He went to Geneva, was charged with heresy, and was executed by Calvinists.

Fact.

[Grizalltheway]

I didn't say the church destroyed Mayan culture.

But in answer to your question the line between conquest in the name of the church, the king, or the nation appears pretty thin by the colonial period. If I'm not mistaken European Monarch's derived their authority to rule from God, and the Church by this time felt no need to have much of a standing army as the good word was being spread at the point of the swords of many christian nation's.

It's similar to asking did muslim terrorists bring down the world trade center or did the Afghani's?

Many European monarchs claimed to rule by "divine right." That position was never accepted by the Roman Catholic Church, which has always taught that a monarch is inferior to divine and natural law. St. Thomas More, in fact, was executed by Henry VIII because he was refused to acknowledge that Henry ruled by divine right, and insisted that the monarchy was inferior to divine law.

In other words, they were supposed to be subservient to the pope.

[Pwns]

I don't know about all the other arguments going on inside this thread
but this chart is SPOT ON...

I bet the church foresaw a high-tech future of anthropogenic global warming and overpopulation and decided they had to put a stop to the advancement of technology.

[kalm]

I don't know about all the other arguments going on inside this thread
but this chart is SPOT ON...

I bet the church foresaw a high-tech future of anthropogenic global warming and overpopulation and decided they had to put a stop to the advancement of technology.

That's pretty funny, but there's also some irony in that many aboriginal cultures had a better understanding or at least more success with sustainable living than those who came after.

[JoltinJoe]

I bet the church foresaw a high-tech future of anthropogenic global warming and overpopulation and decided they had to put a stop to the advancement of technology.

That's pretty funny, but there's also some irony in that many aboriginal cultures had a better understanding or at least more success with sustainable living than those who came after.

There's also irony in that the chart reflects a purely subjective belief.

[Skjellyfetti]

I wonder if the Conquistador's, acting in the name of christianity, killed any Mayan or Incan scientists?

Of course it would be difficult to determine as according to Wiki, the Spaniards and the church destroyed Mayan texts and along with them the knowledge of their writing system.

Maybe you can explain how the Catholic Church was responsible for the destruction of Mayan culture? If your answer is that Spain was a predominantly a Catholic country, and many in the Spanish military were therefore Catholic, don't bother.

It's amazing how any atrocity committed by the government/miltary which is predominantly Catholic is the responsibility of the Catholic Church. By that logic, let's talk about how the Protestant Church in America was responsible for slavery and the slave trade. But hey, most slave traders and owners were Protestants.

Pope Alexander VI gave Spain the right to colonize all of the New World West of the line dividing Spanish colonies and Portuguese colonies. The Pope and the Catholic church instructed Spain to convert the native populations (by force if necessary). The Catholic Church is culpable for the destruction of the Maya, Aztec, Incan, etc. civilizations.


Though... the current Pope still defends actions taken by conquistadores:

In a speech to Latin American and Caribbean bishops at the end of a visit to Brazil, the Pope said the Church had not imposed itself on the indigenous peoples of the Americas.

They had welcomed the arrival of European priests at the time of the conquest as they were "silently longing" for Christianity, he said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN14287992

Pretty fucking shameful. Indians "silently longing" for Christianity.

[D1B]

That's pretty funny, but there's also some irony in that many aboriginal cultures had a better understanding or at least more success with sustainable living than those who came after.

There's also irony in that the chart reflects a purely subjective belief.

Ladies and gentlemen this is your mind on the catholic church.

Joe, isn't it about time to mention how many posters, who are too afraid to post, support you and your position here? It's all you have left.

[JoltinJoe]

Many European monarchs claimed to rule by "divine right." That position was never accepted by the Roman Catholic Church, which has always taught that a monarch is inferior to divine and natural law.

Tell that to the poor Mayan architect slain by a cross wearing, god fearing Spaniard come to the new world to take the gold and convert the heathens. I know, I know they didn't neccessarily kill him for his science. But in some respects, it doesn't really matter.

You make a good point with the devine right of kings, none the less, from a historical perspective the line between the actions of church and state is often blurry.

Not to destroy your Hollywood-influenced perspective on things, but the Spanish Conquistadors did not bear any representation of the cross on their military garb, nor did they travel with that flag with the red cross on it (as frequently depicted). They carried the flag of Spain, which had the crest of the Spanish monrach on it.

The papacy denounced the use of the cross on military outfits during the Crusades, and has never wavered in its position that the cross should not be used for military purposes. The International Red Cross's use of the cross, on the other hand, has been approved by the Vatican.

[D1B]

I wonder if the Conquistador's, acting in the name of christianity, killed any Mayan or Incan scientists?

Of course it would be difficult to determine as according to Wiki, the Spaniards and the church destroyed Mayan texts and along with them the knowledge of their writing system.

Maybe you can explain how the Catholic Church was responsible for the destruction of Mayan culture? If your answer is that Spain was a predominantly a Catholic country, and many in the Spanish military were therefore Catholic, don't bother.

It's amazing how any atrocity committed by the government/miltary which is predominantly Catholic is the responsibility of the Catholic Church. By that logic, let's talk about how the Protestant Church in America was responsible for slavery and the slave trade. But hey, most slave traders and owners were Protestants.

Joe, back then there was little differenct between the government and the church. You are absolutely right about the protestant church, but again it's another diversion. Keep on point here or start another thread about the failure of faith and the church to prevent the slave trade.

[Cap'n Cat]

Missionaries to SE Asia used to bukkake young chicks, claiming their spuzz was blessed by God and would save them.

[JoltinJoe]

There's also irony in that the chart reflects a purely subjective belief.

Ladies and gentlemen this is your mind on the catholic church.

Joe, isn't it about time to mention how many posters, who are too afraid to post, support you and your position here? It's all you have left.

Jeff, all you loud-mouthed, anti-social atheist types have all been banned from AGS. There was a religous thread there recently, and the only guy upholding your positions was that MplsBison guy -- and he was getting creamed so badly that I didn't bother responding.

[D1B]

Tell that to the poor Mayan architect slain by a cross wearing, god fearing Spaniard come to the new world to take the gold and convert the heathens. I know, I know they didn't neccessarily kill him for his science. But in some respects, it doesn't really matter.

You make a good point with the devine right of kings, none the less, from a historical perspective the line between the actions of church and state is often blurry.

Not to destroy your Hollywood-influenced perspective on things, but the Spanish Conquistadors did not bear any representation of the cross on their military garb, nor did they travel with that flag with the red cross on it (as frequently depicted). They carried the flag of Spain, which had the crest of the Spanish monrach on it.

The papacy denounced the use of the cross on military outfits during the Crusades, and has never wavered in its position that the cross should not be used for military purposes. The International Red Cross's use of the cross, on the other hand, has been approved by the Vatican.

Oh, I'm sure they did Joe. Or at least that's what it says in the catholic history books or the history book rewritten by catholics.

Also, that's real nice that the papacy denounced the use of the cross - would have been nicer if they denounce the fucking Crusades!

[Cap'n Cat]

Ladies and gentlemen this is your mind on the catholic church.

Joe, isn't it about time to mention how many posters, who are too afraid to post, support you and your position here? It's all you have left.

Jeff, all you loud-mouthed, anti-social atheist types have all been banned from AGS. There was a religous thread there recently, and the only guy upholding your positions was that MplsBison guy -- and he was getting creamed so badly that I didn't bother responding.

Anti-social? Me and D1B are the most social fvcks on here, Joe.

???????

[D1B]

Ladies and gentlemen this is your mind on the catholic church.

Joe, isn't it about time to mention how many posters, who are too afraid to post, support you and your position here? It's all you have left.

Jeff, all you loud-mouthed, anti-social atheist types have all been banned from AGS. There was a religous thread there recently, and the only guy upholding your positions was that MplsBison guy -- and he was getting creamed so badly that I didn't bother responding.

Here we go ladies and gentlemen. This is part where Joe begins his personal attacks, namecalling and begins to bring in shit that absolutely has nothing to do with the subject at hand. As I predicted, he's resorts to mentioning third party support, this time all the idiots on a scrubbed clean AGS.

Nice work and thanks.

[D1B]

Jeff, all you loud-mouthed, anti-social atheist types have all been banned from AGS. There was a religous thread there recently, and the only guy upholding your positions was that MplsBison guy -- and he was getting creamed so badly that I didn't bother responding.

Anti-social? Me and D1B are the most social fvcks on here, Joe.

???????

Neither of us are banned either.

[JoltinJoe]

Jeff, all you loud-mouthed, anti-social atheist types have all been banned from AGS. There was a religous thread there recently, and the only guy upholding your positions was that MplsBison guy -- and he was getting creamed so badly that I didn't bother responding.

Anti-social? Me and D1B are the most social fvcks on here, Joe.

???????

[JoltinJoe]

Jeff, all you loud-mouthed, anti-social atheist types have all been banned from AGS. There was a religous thread there recently, and the only guy upholding your positions was that MplsBison guy -- and he was getting creamed so badly that I didn't bother responding.

Here we go ladies and gentlemen. This is part where Joe begins his personal attacks, namecalling and begins to bring in **** that absolutely has nothing to do with the subject at hand. As I predicted, he's resorts to mentioning third party support, this time all the idiots on a scrubbed clean AGS.

Nice work and thanks.

So you admit you've lost?

[JoltinJoe]

Not to destroy your Hollywood-influenced perspective on things, but the Spanish Conquistadors did not bear any representation of the cross on their military garb, nor did they travel with that flag with the red cross on it (as frequently depicted). They carried the flag of Spain, which had the crest of the Spanish monrach on it.

The papacy denounced the use of the cross on military outfits during the Crusades, and has never wavered in its position that the cross should not be used for military purposes. The International Red Cross's use of the cross, on the other hand, has been approved by the Vatican.

Oh, I'm sure they did Joe. Or at least that's what it says in the catholic history books or the history book rewritten by catholics.

Also, that's real nice that the papacy denounced the use of the cross - would have been nicer if they denounce the **** Crusades!

The Crusade to take Jerusalem may have been brutal, but so was the Muslim attacks on Greece which precipitated the whole thing. Lots of brutality on both sides.