Cruel Election Irony

bluehenbillk · Post by **bluehenbillk** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:37 pm

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... s_ups.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If the election were today & it played out like expected (see the link), Romney & Ryan would fall just short.

Ironically, the difference would be if either of them could carry their home state they'd win.

Somehow I think that should almost be mandatory - you can't win a presidential election unless those people that know you best - your home state - vote you in the majority.

I don't know the answer but that'd be a good trivia question - who was the last President elected that didn't carry his home state??

bluehenbillk · Post by **bluehenbillk** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:41 pm

Answering my own question - it's never been done. Actually, no one has ever become President by losing both their Birth state & their Home state. In this case, Romney will try to be the first as neither Michigan nor Massachusetts look to be in play.

Post by **dbackjon** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:42 pm

bluehenbillk wrote:Answering my own question - it's never been done. Actually, no one has ever become President by losing both their Birth state & their Home state. In this case, Romney will try to be the first as neither Michigan nor Massachusetts look to be in play.

Answer is: AL GORE

bluehenbillk · Post by **bluehenbillk** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:45 pm

Al Gore lost - that's correct. But I was asking has anyone ever WON and still lost their home state(s). After looking it up the answer is no. Carter I'm sure lost Georgia probably in '80.

89Hen · Post by **89Hen** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 1:05 pm

bluehenbillk wrote:Somehow I think that should almost be mandatory - you can't win a presidential election unless those people that know you best - your home state - vote you in the majority.

I think you're being facetious... at least I hope so.

89Hen · Post by **89Hen** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 1:06 pm

bluehenbillk wrote:Al Gore lost - that's correct. But I was asking has anyone ever WON and still lost their home state(s). After looking it up the answer is no. Carter I'm sure lost Georgia probably in '80.

Carter won GA in 1980, along with RI, MN, MD, DC, WV and HI.

89Hen · Post by **89Hen** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 1:08 pm

Speaking of home state. In 1992 Arkansas was the only state in which Clinton topped 50%.

Post by **CAA Flagship** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 1:09 pm

89Hen wrote:
bluehenbillk wrote:Al Gore lost - that's correct. But I was asking has anyone ever WON and still lost their home state(s). After looking it up the answer is no. Carter I'm sure lost Georgia probably in '80.
Carter won GA in 1980, along with RI, MN, MD, DC, WV and HI.

King of the dipshits.

Post by **Grizalltheway** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:01 pm

CAA Flagship wrote:
89Hen wrote: Carter won GA in 1980, along with RI, MN, MD, DC, WV and HI.
King of the dipshits.

And his successor:

Post by **AZGrizFan** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:09 pm

Grizalltheway wrote:
CAA Flagship wrote: King of the dipshits.
And his successor:

Barry Sortero will go down as the King of the Dipshits by the time its all said and done. You know it. I know it. The whole world knows it.

89Hen · Post by **89Hen** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:28 pm

I thougth Reagan succeeded Carter.

Post by **Grizalltheway** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:43 pm

89Hen wrote:I thougth Reagan succeeded Carter.

What did I tell you about that thinking business? You're only going to hurt yourself.

LeadBolt · Post by **LeadBolt** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 4:52 pm

AZGrizFan wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote:
And his successor:

Barry Sortero will go down as the King of the Dipshits by the time its all said and done. You know it. I know it. The whole world knows it.

That's Nobel Prize Winning Dipshit to you!

Chizzang · Post by **Chizzang** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 5:15 pm

AZGrizFan wrote:

Barry Sortero will go down as the King of the Dipshits by the time its all said and done. You know it. I know it. The whole world knows it.

I don't think that's how it's spelled... but honestly who knows?

CID1990 · Post by **CID1990** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 5:26 pm

That's the RCP "no toss ups" chart.

Post by **kalm** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 5:28 pm

Grizalltheway wrote:
CAA Flagship wrote: King of the dipshits.
And his successor:

What if Carter's energy ideas, namely to end our dependence on foreign oil, and 30 years later echoed by GWB, would have actually been embraced at that time, and by Reagan for the next 8 years?

Conks...

ODUsmitty · Post by **ODUsmitty** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 7:12 pm

I never knew that Kenya had electoral votes. I learn so much from these boards. Thanks!

Post by **dbackjon** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:27 pm

kalm wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote:
And his successor:

What if Carter's energy ideas, namely to end our dependence on foreign oil, and 30 years later echoed by GWB, would have actually been embraced at that time, and by Reagan for the next 8 years?

Conks...

NO doubt - Carter was ahead of his time. He bucked the Washington insider power establishment, and was labeled a failure because of it.

Gil Dobie · Post by **Gil Dobie** » Sat Oct 20, 2012 6:42 am

dbackjon wrote:
kalm wrote:
What if Carter's energy ideas, namely to end our dependence on foreign oil, and 30 years later echoed by GWB, would have actually been embraced at that time, and by Reagan for the next 8 years?

Conks...
NO doubt - Carter was ahead of his time. He bucked the Washington insider power establishment, and was labeled a failure because of it.

He's also a published bigot.

Post by **kalm** » Sat Oct 20, 2012 6:58 am

Gil Dobie wrote:
dbackjon wrote:
NO doubt - Carter was ahead of his time. He bucked the Washington insider power establishment, and was labeled a failure because of it.
He's also a published bigot.

Link?

JohnStOnge · Post by **JohnStOnge** » Sat Oct 20, 2012 7:12 am

If you believe Wikipedia it looks like it's been done once:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ma ... home_state" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'll keep looking to see if I can find a source that doesn't have Wikipedia's reputation for potential inaccuracy.

Post by **Ibanez** » Sat Oct 20, 2012 8:51 am

Bush lost Conneticut, his birth state in both elections. Didn't Lincoln lose Kentucky as well? It's happened before.

bluehenbillk · Post by **bluehenbillk** » Mon Oct 22, 2012 6:11 am

Ibanez wrote:Bush lost Conneticut, his birth state in both elections. Didn't Lincoln lose Kentucky as well? It's happened before.

Correct, but Bush won his home state of TX. No one has ever been elected President that didn't win either the state in which they were born or live.

89Hen · Post by **89Hen** » Mon Oct 22, 2012 6:26 am

dbackjon wrote:NO doubt - Carter was ahead of his time. He bucked the Washington insider power establishment, and was labeled a failure because of it.

Yeah, that's why he was "labeled" a failure.

Post by **kalm** » Mon Oct 22, 2012 6:36 am

89Hen wrote:
dbackjon wrote:NO doubt - Carter was ahead of his time. He bucked the Washington insider power establishment, and was labeled a failure because of it.
Yeah, that's why he was "labeled" a failure.

And Reagan is still labeled a genius.

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