Coronavirus COVID-19

[SeattleGriz]

I was joking with my wife by saying, "Watch. Pfizer's new daily pill to prevent Covid will be based on a protease inhibitor, just like Ivermectin". Was being a smartass and now read it IS based on a protease inhibitor.

Of course I don't know the formulation and the specifics yet, but find it rather odd the primary mechanism of action is the same as Ivermectin, especially since Ivermectin doesn't work... except in poor countries.

It's still early in this story, so I could easily be missing the mark, but find it rather curious.

That's your horse sense kicking in.

Ha! Good one.

[SeattleGriz]

Trip, Klammy, quick, a black guy off the mindthink reservation. Call the woke police!!!

Good to see these guys asking questions.

[SeattleGriz]

I was joking with my wife by saying, "Watch. Pfizer's new daily pill to prevent Covid will be based on a protease inhibitor, just like Ivermectin". Was being a smartass and now read it IS based on a protease inhibitor.

Of course I don't know the formulation and the specifics yet, but find it rather odd the primary mechanism of action is the same as Ivermectin, especially since Ivermectin doesn't work... except in poor countries.

It's still early in this story, so I could easily be missing the mark, but find it rather curious.

HIV and Hep-C drugs are also protease inhibitors...perhaps those should be used for COVID.

If it works, try it!

[SDHornet]

Trip, Klammy, quick, a black guy off the mindthink reservation. Call the woke police!!!

Good to see these guys asking questions.

But Biden* says things can't go back to "normal" until 97-98% of the people get the jab.

And at dumbasses that lived through the post 9/11 civil liberties power grab by the gubmint and actually think the same gubmint will give back this newfound power.

[Ibanez]

HIV and Hep-C drugs are also protease inhibitors...perhaps those should be used for COVID.

If it works, try it!

I love the conservative logic here.

Vaccines for COVID - tested against COVID and known to drastically reduce your chance of getting the Virus. Conservatives say there's not enough data to support getting the vaccine.

Conservative drug Treatment for COVID - A drug w/ no testing or DATA to support it's use for COVID is all the rage.

[SeattleGriz]

Good to see these guys asking questions.

But Biden* says things can't go back to "normal" until 97-98% of the people get the jab.

And at dumbasses that lived through the post 9/11 civil liberties power grab by the gubmint and actually think the same gubmint will give back this newfound power.

No shit. If the gubmint was willing to use their powers to try and screw President Trump over, what chance do the people have?

[Hambone]

Similar comparison involving New York and Florida. New York got hit early when nobody understood what was going on. So they went way up in the death rate. But New York has improved its situation. Florida has not.




And then there is Texas:



Fellas, its time to admit that the performance of Governors like DeSantis and Abbot has not been good.

I don't get involved in the political discussions too much, but these graphs are formatted to skew what you see based on the y-axis. New York is going by 250 per section vs 100 for Florida and Texas. First glance looks like the winter surge was worse in Florida, but based on numbers it was maybe worse in NY, or at worst a push (Texas is worse, no argument there although not as much worse as appears based on the initial eyeball test). Was this intentional to mislead?

[89Hen]

I don't get involved in the political discussions too much, but these graphs are formatted to skew what you see based on the y-axis. New York is going by 250 per section vs 100 for Florida and Texas. First glance looks like the winter surge was worse in Florida, but based on numbers it was maybe worse in NY, or at worst a push (Texas is worse, no argument there although not as much worse as appears based on the initial eyeball test). Was this intentional to mislead?

It's because NY was north of 1000 per day, so they need a bigger axis.

[SDHornet]

I don't get involved in the political discussions too much, but these graphs are formatted to skew what you see based on the y-axis. New York is going by 250 per section vs 100 for Florida and Texas. First glance looks like the winter surge was worse in Florida, but based on numbers it was maybe worse in NY, or at worst a push (Texas is worse, no argument there although not as much worse as appears based on the initial eyeball test). Was this intentional to mislead?

It's because NY was north of 1000 per day, so they need a bigger axis.

And yet JSO, resident data genius, probably didn't even realize that when he posted the graph pics.

[UNI88]

It's because NY was north of 1000 per day, so they need a bigger axis.

And yet JSO, resident data genius, probably didn't even realize that when he posted the graph pics.

Maybe he just needed Jelly's help with the graphs ...

[SDHornet]

And yet JSO, resident data genius, probably didn't even realize that when he posted the graph pics.

Maybe he just needed Jelly's help with the graphs ...

That idiot has his hands full with that "other" thread.

[Hambone]

I don't get involved in the political discussions too much, but these graphs are formatted to skew what you see based on the y-axis. New York is going by 250 per section vs 100 for Florida and Texas. First glance looks like the winter surge was worse in Florida, but based on numbers it was maybe worse in NY, or at worst a push (Texas is worse, no argument there although not as much worse as appears based on the initial eyeball test). Was this intentional to mislead?

It's because NY was north of 1000 per day, so they need a bigger axis.

I know, but the way it was presented seemed to want the reader to thing the axis are the same. So I thought it seemed slanted

[Gil Dobie]

BuT tExAs AnD fLoRiDa

Texas #25, Florida 26.

My sisters hospital in Florida currently has more patients than last years surges. No elective surgeries. The is coming from a Trump supporter, so it's not lefty fear porn. Her and her husband are still on the Trump bus.

2 months ago. Now Texas #19 and Florida #10. Florida will be passing NY in total deaths soon and deaths per million in the near future. New Jersey is just a bunch of sick fucks, as they would say in Jersey.

[JohnStOnge]

It's because NY was north of 1000 per day, so they need a bigger axis.

I know, but the way it was presented seemed to want the reader to thing the axis are the same. So I thought it seemed slanted

It's Worldometers. I think if you look at the site (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/) you will conclude that they are not formatting graphs in order to deceive anybody or make any political arguments. The Y axis for the New York graph has a greater range because the daily numbers of cases have a greater range.

The point I used the graphs to make has to do with the trends. New York got blindsided early in the pandemic. Things were absolutely horrible there at the start. But after the initial surge things were never nearly as bad again. Florida is kind of the opposite. Things were not bad at first. They've been at their worst recently.

During this most recent surge it's been much worse in Florida. I think it's reasonable to use total deaths July 1 through present to illustrate. There have been 15,800 Florida deaths and 1.756 new York deaths.

I also think it's reasonable to say that New York getting blindsided early on is a factor in how high the death rates were. It was a new thing that they were not expecting. It was early so there was no experience in treating it to try to keep people alive. They did not have some of the interventions that were developed later. There were no vaccines.

Florida isn't being blindsided. The hazard was recognized a long time ago and effective counter measures are well known. But Florida Is being led by a Governor who is failing to exercise leadership in promoting the things that need to be done to minimize the damage. And it's showing.

[JohnStOnge]

It's because NY was north of 1000 per day, so they need a bigger axis.

And yet JSO, resident data genius, probably didn't even realize that when he posted the graph pics.

Yes I realize that Worldometers uses different scales on the y axes of their graphs depending on the range of the data. Everybody knows New York got really whacked right at the start. The point is the trend. Again: New York had somewhat of an excuse. It was a new thing that caught them by surprise. The population was totally naive. Medical staff had no experience in managing the disease. There were no vaccines. Florida's leadership doesn't have any of those excuses.

During july 1 - Present, which I think is a reasonable time frame to approximate the current surge, Florida has had 74 deaths per 100,000 population to New York's 9. One State's leadership has been trying to follow the guidance of the overwhelming majority of public health experts. The other State's leadership has not and, in fact, has been undermining public health efforts. Can you guess which State is which?

[JohnStOnge]

Can you document that?

Yeah, sure. As soon as you provide a study showing the unvaccinated are driving the variants.

I will look. But do I really need one when the Delta variant arose before we had vaccines?

[JohnStOnge]

Similar comparison involving New York and Florida. New York got hit early when nobody understood what was going on. So they went way up in the death rate. But New York has improved its situation. Florida has not.




And then there is Texas:



Fellas, its time to admit that the performance of Governors like DeSantis and Abbot has not been good.

Scoreboard: Deaths per million.
2. NJ
4. NY
10. FL
19. TX

See my posts about what's happened with New York and Florida during the current wave (which I counted as July 1 through present). I'll repeat the numbers: Florida: 74 deaths per 100,000 population. New York: 9 deaths per 100,000 population.

What the heck I'll add New Jersey and Texas during July 1 through present. Texas: 42 deaths per 100,000 population. New Jersey: 10 deaths per 100,000 population.

Again: New York and New Jersey got whacked early before we had experience with the disease. They now have much better control of the situation than Texas and Florida do. And the reason is because their leaders are following consensus public health guidance while the leaders of Texas and Florida are pandering to whack job Trump supporters who believe all sorts of complete nonsense.

[SeattleGriz]

Yeah, sure. As soon as you provide a study showing the unvaccinated are driving the variants.

I will look. But do I really need one when the Delta variant arose before we had vaccines?

No you don't have to look dude. Was mostly being a pain in the ass. But where do you think the Sputnik vaccine was tested? In India where the Delta variant emerged.

Do I know it was the vaccine? Hell no. But I do know what I am saying is backed up BIG time by Evolution, so to believe that it's only the unvaccinated is simply choosing to not accept reality.

[BDKJMU]

Scoreboard: Deaths per million.
2. NJ
4. NY
10. FL
19. TX

See my posts about what's happened with New York and Florida during the current wave (which I counted as July 1 through present). I'll repeat the numbers: Florida: 74 deaths per 100,000 population. New York: 9 deaths per 100,000 population.

What the heck I'll add New Jersey and Texas during July 1 through present. Texas: 42 deaths per 100,000 population. New Jersey: 10 deaths per 100,000 population.

Again: New York and New Jersey got whacked early before we had experience with the disease. They now have much better control of the situation than Texas and Florida do. And the reason is because their leaders are following consensus public health guidance while the leaders of Texas and Florida are pandering to whack job Trump supporters who believe all sorts of complete nonsense.

You don’t get to just look at the score through during the 3rd quarter. The whole game counts. Scoreboard.

[UNI88]

See my posts about what's happened with New York and Florida during the current wave (which I counted as July 1 through present). I'll repeat the numbers: Florida: 74 deaths per 100,000 population. New York: 9 deaths per 100,000 population.

What the heck I'll add New Jersey and Texas during July 1 through present. Texas: 42 deaths per 100,000 population. New Jersey: 10 deaths per 100,000 population.

Again: New York and New Jersey got whacked early before we had experience with the disease. They now have much better control of the situation than Texas and Florida do. And the reason is because their leaders are following consensus public health guidance while the leaders of Texas and Florida are pandering to whack job Trump supporters who believe all sorts of complete nonsense.

You don’t get to just look at the score through during the 3rd quarter. The whole game counts. Scoreboard.

The game isn't over. FL and TX did much better than NY and NJ in the 1st quarter, NY and NJ gained some ground in the 2nd and we're headed toward the half wondering if the trend will continue.

[JohnStOnge]

I will look. But do I really need one when the Delta variant arose before we had vaccines?

But where do you think the Sputnik vaccine was tested? In India where the Delta variant emerged.

Can you document THAT? I think that is extremely unlikely. I think if you are trying to suggest there is any reasonable possibility that the Delta variant arose in India because of the Sputnik vaccine you are really stretching it. But if you can provide more we'll see.

[JohnStOnge]

Here's an interesting tidbit. It's another thing I looked at in the past and didn't see much.

Right now, if you combine all the States that voted for Trump the cumulative COVID-19 deaths per million population rate is 2181.

If you combine all the States that voted for Biden the cumulative COVID-19 deaths per million population rate is 1746.

There is no way I am going to take the time to look at what it would look like if I just the death rate since the latest wave started. But I think you know what would happen. The "red" states would look even worse....a lot worse...than the "blue" states would look.

[JohnStOnge]

You don’t get to just look at the score through during the 3rd quarter. The whole game counts. Scoreboard.

The game isn't over. FL and TX did much better than NY and NJ in the 1st quarter, NY and NJ gained some ground in the 2nd and we're headed toward the half wondering if the trend will continue.

That's true. It could be that things will change in the future. But I think it unlikely. Basically, you do have States like New York and New Jersey trying to establish policy based on the advice of people who know what they are doing while Florida and Texas aren't doing that. Florida and Texas leadership is making decisions based on trying to pander to a horribly ignorant Republican base. That is probably not going to end well.

But we'll see.

[SeattleGriz]

But where do you think the Sputnik vaccine was tested? In India where the Delta variant emerged.

Can you document THAT? I think that is extremely unlikely. I think if you are trying to suggest there is any reasonable possibility that the Delta variant arose in India because of the Sputnik vaccine you are really stretching it. But if you can provide more we'll see.

The trials started in July 2020 in India and Delta was discovered in Dec 2020.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... edirect=in

As I stated previously, nobody has any clue whether it's due to the unvaccinated or the vaccinated. But as I've repeatedly stated, selective pressure is a big topic of evolution.

You believe in antibiotic resistant bacteria don't you? How about cancer that isn't eradicated and then returns full force but is resistant to the chemotherapy that was previously used?

[Gil Dobie]

Can you document THAT? I think that is extremely unlikely. I think if you are trying to suggest there is any reasonable possibility that the Delta variant arose in India because of the Sputnik vaccine you are really stretching it. But if you can provide more we'll see.

The trials started in July 2020 in India and Delta was discovered in Dec 2020.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... edirect=in

As I stated previously, nobody has any clue whether it's due to the unvaccinated or the vaccinated. But as I've repeatedly stated, selective pressure is a big topic of evolution.

You believe in antibiotic resistant bacteria don't you? How about cancer that isn't eradicated and then returns full force but is resistant to the chemotherapy that was previously used?

Reuters Link

India approves Russia's Sputnik V COVID-19 vaccine, April 21, 2021.

Interesting, that places with low vaccination rates are where the major variants started, India, Brazil, South Africa.