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[kalm]

And yet most people still buy tobacco and booze legally.

Not in high tax states. Tax the piss of pot and the majority will buy black market..

Tax just the right amount and it's a win-win. So where's the problem other than liberals like pot therefore pot bad?

[Chizzang]

From Hen's clipped articles / proving my point

"The average price for medium-quality product throughout the U.S. is $257 per ounce, which breaks down to $16 per gram. In Washington and Oregon, the average of prices submitted by users comes to around $11 to $12 per gram..."

[BDKJMU]

What have I been saying all along?

Just wait till the government starts taxing the ever living daylights out of pot

people will wish it was illegal again

Who other than 89 and BDK are wishing that?

I don't GAF one way or the other.

I'm just saying tax any relatively easily produced product at sky high levels (where the majority of the cost of the product to the consumer is taxes) and a large number of people, if not a majority, will purchase black market.

People bring up alcohol. Right now alcohol is highly taxed in a lot of states (+ by the fed), but not to the level percentage wise that tobacco is in the high tax tobacco states.

[BDKJMU]

Not in high tax states. Tax the piss of pot and the majority will buy black market..

Tax just the right amount and it's a win-win. So where's the problem other than liberals like pot therefore pot bad?

Agreed. And no problem. But govt greed (local, state, and eventually fed) can't limit itself to the "right amount".

[AshevilleApp]

Tax just the right amount and it's a win-win. So where's the problem other than liberals like pot therefore pot bad?

Agreed. And no problem. But govt greed (local, state, and eventually fed) can't limit itself to the "right amount".

How about legalize (or decriminalize) without any Government input? A win, win for all!

[Chizzang]

And yet most people still buy tobacco and booze legally.

Not in high tax states. Tax the piss of pot and the majority will buy black market..

First of all
25% on the sell in transaction and 25% on the sell out transaction
which amounts to an effective rate of 45% on the gross amount
is NOT taxing the sh!t out of something like Marijuana

I will explain why if you would like - but suffice to know DRUG CARTELS tax it far more than that



and secondly every Conservative claims "They don't care" which is a complete lie
We'll check how much they "don't care" in the coming votes

[AshevilleApp]

Who other than 89 and BDK are wishing that?

I don't GAF one way or the other.

I'm just saying tax any relatively easily produced product at sky high levels (where the majority of the cost of the product to the consumer is taxes) and a large number of people, if not a majority, will purchase black market.

People bring up alcohol. Right now alcohol is highly taxed in a lot of states (+ by the fed), but not to the level percentage wise that tobacco is in the high tax tobacco states.

Another question. How can you get accurate data about a product, tobacco in this case, sold on the black market? If I'm buying, I ain't telling.

[89Hen]

The articles posted prove my point... Thanks Hen

I'm sure you read what you wanted and stopped there. Lazy pothead.

[BDKJMU]

Not in high tax states. Tax the piss of pot and the majority will buy black market..

First of all
25% on the sell in transaction and 25% on the sell out transaction
which amounts to an effective rate of 45% on the gross amount
is NOT taxing the sh!t out of something like Marijuana

I will explain why if you would like - but suffice to know DRUG CARTELS tax it far more than that



and secondly every Conservative claims "They don't care" which is a complete lie
We'll check how much they "don't care" in the coming votes

How in the heck do you come up with only 45%?

56.25% (1 x 1.25 x 1.25 = 1.5625). And that is all excise tax, no? Sales tax on top of that?

Just wait till its legal in numerous states. Some states are going to tax the piss out of it (a lot higher than now), and some states (or at least 1) won't tax it very high. And that will bring about black market smuggling...

[BDKJMU]

Not in high tax states. Tax the piss of pot and the majority will buy black market..

First of all
25% on the sell in transaction and 25% on the sell out transaction
which amounts to an effective rate of 45% on the gross amount
is NOT taxing the sh!t out of something like Marijuana

I will explain why if you would like - but suffice to know DRUG CARTELS tax it far more than that



and secondly every Conservative claims "They don't care" which is a complete lie
We'll check how much they "don't care" in the coming votes

BS. I used to be against legalization. Now am totally on the fence on this issue. Regardless, its not even in my top 10 of the issues..

But I will be against any conk candidate who says states shouldn't be allowed to legalize. It isn't spelled out in the constitution, so it should be none of the fed govt's business, and left up to the states. If a state wants to legalize it, states' rights. Goes for any other issue that isn't spelled out in the constitution. Why I disagree with the fed courts making rulings on state abortion or marriage laws. Should be left up to the states- states rights..

[CID1990]

Not in high tax states. Tax the piss of pot and the majority will buy black market..

First of all
25% on the sell in transaction and 25% on the sell out transaction
which amounts to an effective rate of 45% on the gross amount
is NOT taxing the sh!t out of something like Marijuana

I will explain why if you would like - but suffice to know DRUG CARTELS tax it far more than that



and secondly every Conservative claims "They don't care" which is a complete lie
We'll check how much they "don't care" in the coming votes

I don't care. Never have, never will. Even with tobacco, I really don't care about how government taxes it. Tax the ever living daylights out of it for all I care. Even when I was a heavy tobacco user I didn't care.

I suppose that is inconsistent with my general tilt towards libertarianism but I don't care.

[Gil Dobie]

From Hen's clipped articles / proving my point

"The average price for medium-quality product throughout the U.S. is $257 per ounce, which breaks down to $16 per gram. In Washington and Oregon, the average of prices submitted by users comes to around $11 to $12 per gram..."

Time have changed. When I was in the know, it was $40 an oz for Columbo and $100 for almost anything from Hawaii. I'm 100% for legalization and release from prison of anyone in jail for anything exclusively related to pot use or sales.

[89Hen]

and secondly every Conservative claims "They don't care" which is a complete lie
We'll check how much they "don't care" in the coming votes

Most of the time you seem pretty smart, but then you go off on a partisan tangent that makes you look like a complete idiot. C'est la vie.

[Chizzang]

and secondly every Conservative claims "They don't care" which is a complete lie
We'll check how much they "don't care" in the coming votes

Most of the time you seem pretty smart, but then you go off on a partisan tangent that makes you look like a complete idiot. C'est la vie.

Yes please pardon my "partisan rant" and lets just stick to the logical facts...
Like you said:
Marijuana is NEVER going to be legalized in conservative states (even though nobody cares)

[CAA Flagship]

From Hen's clipped articles / proving my point

"The average price for medium-quality product throughout the U.S. is $257 per ounce, which breaks down to $16 per gram. In Washington and Oregon, the average of prices submitted by users comes to around $11 to $12 per gram..."

Time have changed. When I was in the know, it was $40 an oz for Columbo and $100 for almost anything from Hawaii. I'm 100% for legalization and release from prison of anyone in jail for anything exclusively related to pot use or sales.

That's a good price for a fatty.

[89Hen]

Most of the time you seem pretty smart, but then you go off on a partisan tangent that makes you look like a complete idiot. C'est la vie.

Yes please pardon my "partisan rant" and lets just stick to the logical facts...
Like you said:
Marijuana is NEVER going to be legalized in conservative states (even though nobody cares)

You called it a rant Cleets.

Not caring and not voting for something are not the same thing. I'll bet most people don't care who wins the election for County Clerk, but I'll also bet most people don't abstain from that vote in the booth.

Given a choice of legalizing pot or not legalizing, I would probably choose not in my state. Will I spend time campaigning against it, no. Will I lose sleep over it if it passed, no. Do I care that Colorado has legalized, no. Do you see the difference here?

[Gil Dobie]

That's a good price for a fatty.

FIFY, he ain't no fatty anymore.

[Grizo406]

From Hen's clipped articles / proving my point

"The average price for medium-quality product throughout the U.S. is $257 per ounce, which breaks down to $16 per gram. In Washington and Oregon, the average of prices submitted by users comes to around $11 to $12 per gram..."

Forget the medium-quality product, how much is the legally obtainable, highest-quality product selling for, per ounce, in Washington State, and what name does it go by?

It's not legal in Florida yet, but it's gettin' close to being so...just doing some early research on the subject.

[SeattleGriz]

From Hen's clipped articles / proving my point

"The average price for medium-quality product throughout the U.S. is $257 per ounce, which breaks down to $16 per gram. In Washington and Oregon, the average of prices submitted by users comes to around $11 to $12 per gram..."

Forget the medium-quality product, how much is the legally obtainable, highest-quality product selling for, per ounce, in Washington State, and what name does it go by?

It's not legal in Florida yet, but it's gettin' close to being so...just doing some early research on the subject.

$60 for 1\8th around 28% THC
$40 for 1\8th around 19% THC