JSO Trump Threads

[JohnStOnge]

sounds like your backbone has been replaced by nuance.

It has nothing to do with backbone or nuance. I invite any rational person to think about a scenario in which Donald Trump is President of the United States. We simply cannot allow that to happen.

[BDKJMU]

Voting 3rd party or staying at home is one thing. But only a phony conservative would ever vote for Hildabeast under ANY circumstances.

I disagree. A year ago I could never have envisioned a circumstance in which I would vote for Hillary. But the emergence of Donald Trump has changed things. There is no way that I could ever vote in a way that would increase the chances of Donald Trump being President. As bad as Hillary being President would be, Donald Trump being President would be worse.

As I told my wife a couple of months ago: If we got into a theoretical situation in which my vote was going to decide who would be President between Hillary and Trump, I would have to hold my nose really hard and vote for Hillary.

If it's Trump vs. Hillary in the general election and it looks like Louisiana is in play I am going to vote for Hillary.

No he wouldn't. He might be a fucking disaster. I KNOW she will be a fucking disaster. But if you want to be a phony conservative, its a free country..

[SDHornet]

I disagree. A year ago I could never have envisioned a circumstance in which I would vote for Hillary. But the emergence of Donald Trump has changed things. There is no way that I could ever vote in a way that would increase the chances of Donald Trump being President. As bad as Hillary being President would be, Donald Trump being President would be worse.

As I told my wife a couple of months ago: If we got into a theoretical situation in which my vote was going to decide who would be President between Hillary and Trump, I would have to hold my nose really hard and vote for Hillary.

If it's Trump vs. Hillary in the general election and it looks like Louisiana is in play I am going to vote for Hillary.

No he wouldn't. He might be a fucking disaster. I KNOW she will be a fucking disaster. But if you want to be a phony conservative, its a free country..

This. We know what hilldog will do and how she will act as POTUS. Trump is an unknown, and it's looking more and more everyday like he is just trolling conks to win the primary. I mean, he's going to cut deals so it really won't be too far off from the establishment conks already in DC.

Now Trump won't beat hilldog in the general so there's that...

[houndawg]

sounds like your backbone has been replaced by nuance.

It has nothing to do with backbone or nuance. I invite any rational person to think about a scenario in which Donald Trump is President of the United States. We simply cannot allow that to happen.

W...

[houndawg]

It has nothing to do with backbone or nuance. I invite any rational person to think about a scenario in which Donald Trump is President of the United States. We simply cannot allow that to happen.

We survived Cheney, Trump will be easy. These teenaged girl histrionics, John...... ...can't you try to be less of a pussy in public?

[Ivytalk]

I disagree. A year ago I could never have envisioned a circumstance in which I would vote for Hillary. But the emergence of Donald Trump has changed things. There is no way that I could ever vote in a way that would increase the chances of Donald Trump being President. As bad as Hillary being President would be, Donald Trump being President would be worse.

As I told my wife a couple of months ago: If we got into a theoretical situation in which my vote was going to decide who would be President between Hillary and Trump, I would have to hold my nose really hard and vote for Hillary.

If it's Trump vs. Hillary in the general election and it looks like Louisiana is in play I am going to vote for Hillary.

No he wouldn't. He might be a **** disaster. I KNOW she will be a **** disaster. But if you want to be a phony conservative, its a free country..

What are you talking about? Trump is the phoniest conservative there is.

[kalm]

No he wouldn't. He might be a **** disaster. I KNOW she will be a **** disaster. But if you want to be a phony conservative, its a free country..

What are you talking about? Trump is the phoniest conservative there is.

Conks used to claim on here that GWB wasn't a real conservative.

[Ivytalk]

What are you talking about? Trump is the phoniest conservative there is.

Conks use to claim on here that GWB wasn't a real conservative.

Dubya sure had his "Bernie moments," like the prescription drug benefit and NCLB. Whenever somebody calls himself a "compassionate conservative," you instinctively cover up your wallet.

[UNI88]

Voting 3rd party or staying at home is one thing. But only a phony conservative would ever vote for Hildabeast under ANY circumstances..

Hillary is a neocon in the Dubya mold. She's all for big government, Wall St and foreign adventurism.

[UNI88]

Conks use to claim on here that GWB wasn't a real conservative.

Dubya sure had his "Bernie moments," like the prescription drug benefit and NCLB. Whenever somebody calls himself a "compassionate conservative," you instinctively cover up your wallet.

Conservative isn't some neat little ideology that can be easily defined. There are multiple types of conservatives and people tend to think that their brand of conservatism is the one true conservatism. Neocons, social conservatives, fiscal conservatives, etc. Dubya was a neocon who played the game and made compromises. To me as a libertarian, he was the worst possible combination - social conservative and fiscal liberal with a propensity to get the US involved in every conflict possible. Dubya and Rand Paul are close to being opposites, Kalm would you argue that Rand Paul isn't a real conservative?

[kalm]

Dubya sure had his "Bernie moments," like the prescription drug benefit and NCLB. Whenever somebody calls himself a "compassionate conservative," you instinctively cover up your wallet.

Conservative isn't some neat little ideology that can be easily defined. There are multiple types of conservatives and people tend to think that their brand of conservatism is the one true conservatism. Neocons, social conservatives, fiscal conservatives, etc. Dubya was a neocon who played the game and made compromises. To me as a libertarian, he was the worst possible combination - social conservative and fiscal liberal with a propensity to get the US involved in every conflict possible. Dubya and Rand Paul are close to being opposites, Kalm would you argue that Rand Paul isn't a real conservative?

I think Rand Paul is closer to being a real conservative than most of the Republican Party.

[SDHornet]

Voting 3rd party or staying at home is one thing. But only a phony conservative would ever vote for Hildabeast under ANY circumstances..

Hillary is a neocon in the Dubya mold. She's all for big government, Wall St and foreign adventurism.

Sssshhhh...don't tell that to the donk voters she currently pitching.

[Chizzang]

Hillary is a neocon in the Dubya mold. She's all for big government, Wall St and foreign adventurism.

Sssshhhh...don't tell that to the donk voters she currently pitching.

She's only liberal on social issues...
Otherwise she is
100% Wall Street / 100% Conglomeration / 100% Military Intervention

The difference between Large Scale System Democrats and Large Scale System Republicans is:
1) Planned Parenthood 2) Affordable Care Act 3) 2nd Amendment interpretation

Other than that they're all the same...

[BDKJMU]

No he wouldn't. He might be a **** disaster. I KNOW she will be a **** disaster. But if you want to be a phony conservative, its a free country..

What are you talking about? Trump is the phoniest conservative there is.

That might be true. But my point is- no true conservative would pull the lever for Hildacunt under ANY circumstances.

[Chizzang]

What are you talking about? Trump is the phoniest conservative there is.

That might be true. But my point is- no true conservative would pull the lever for Hildacunt under ANY circumstances.

Of all the cunts running for President Rubio is by far the largest cunt of the bunch...

[Ivytalk]

What are you talking about? Trump is the phoniest conservative there is.

That might be true. But my point is- no true conservative would pull the lever for Hildacunt under ANY circumstances.

And I won't. But on this board, which seems to be 80% self-righteous Libertarian, you don't see anyone trying to actually organize a third party to elect some legislators (remember them? ) to back up Gary Johnson, Jill Steinbaumwitzberg, or any other flavor-of-the-month Prez candidate.

[JohnStOnge]

No he wouldn't. He might be a **** disaster. I KNOW she will be a **** disaster. But if you want to be a phony conservative, its a free country..

Hillary is a rational human being. Trump is not. In my opinion the risk associated with putting that Looney Tune in the White House is off the charts.

[houndawg]

No he wouldn't. He might be a **** disaster. I KNOW she will be a **** disaster. But if you want to be a phony conservative, its a free country..

Hillary is a rational human being. Trump is not. In my opinion the risk associated with putting that Looney Tune in the White House is off the charts.

Oh please, he can't be worse than Cheney.


Is somebody experiencing that not-so-fresh feeling, sweetheart?

[kalm]

That might be true. But my point is- no true conservative would pull the lever for Hildacunt under ANY circumstances.

And I won't. But on this board, which seems to be 80% self-righteous Libertarian, you don't see anyone trying to actually organize a third party to elect some legislators (remember them? ) to back up Gary Johnson, Jill Steinbaumwitzberg, or any other flavor-of-the-month Prez candidate.

Ahem...I'll have you know that the left-libertarian Kalmunist Party of Eastern Washington is well organized and VERY active.

Our platform:

Fuck Starbucks, AB, and Miller-Coors, support indie coffee shops and craft breweries.

Secession from Western Washington, joining N. Idaho (OK, not all of N. Idaho, we want to avoid the rednecks and neo-nazis but we're cool with places like Sand Point, Coeur d' Alene), and Western Montana to form the 51st State of Washidmo...or Columbia, or something like that.

Promote sustainable agriculture and forestry practices, forming a coalition between land owners, farmers, ranchers, loggers, and dirty hippie environmentalists. This coalition will host modern day chatauquas in the rolling hills of the Palouse, across the desert plateaus and coulees of the Columbia Basin, and in the mountain river valley's of the Bitteroots and Selkirks, literally attracting dozens of people who all share a love of Norman Mclean, Rick Bass, the Decemberists, and Elk tenderloin.

Build a wall at the top of Snoqualmie pass (and make the Udub pay for it) where we will charge Seattleites an admission fee for flyfishing our streams and lakes, taking advantage of our superior snow, enjoying Walla Walla wine tours, and experiencing direct sunlight. Collected fees will be used to complete the Gateway Project.

Support Gary Johnson and rub that in the faces of establishment Democrats and Republicans.

You can call us legion for we are many!

[Ivytalk]

And I won't. But on this board, which seems to be 80% self-righteous Libertarian, you don't see anyone trying to actually organize a third party to elect some legislators (remember them? ) to back up Gary Johnson, Jill Steinbaumwitzberg, or any other flavor-of-the-month Prez candidate.

Ahem...I'll have you know that the left-libertarian Kalmunist Party of Eastern Washington is well organized and VERY active.

Our platform:

**** Starbucks, AB, and Miller-Coors, support indie coffee shops and craft breweries.

Secession from Western Washington, joining N. Idaho (OK, not all of N. Idaho, we want to avoid the rednecks and neo-nazis but we're cool with places like Sand Point, Coeur d' Alene), and Western Montana to form the 51st State of Washidmo...or Columbia, or something like that.

Promote sustainable agriculture and forestry practices, forming a coalition between land owners, farmers, ranchers, loggers, and dirty hippie environmentalists. This coalition will host modern day chatauquas in the rolling hills of the Palouse, across the desert plateaus and coulees of the Columbia Basin, and in the mountain river valley's of the Bitteroots and Selkirks, literally attracting dozens of people who all share a love of Norman Mclean, Rick Bass, the Decemberists, and Elk tenderloin.

Build a wall at the top of Snoqualmie pass (and make the Udub pay for it) where we will charge Seattleites an admission fee for flyfishing our streams and lakes, taking advantage of our superior snow, enjoying Walla Walla wine tours, and experiencing direct sunlight. Collected fees will be used to complete the Gateway Project.

Support Gary Johnson and rub that in the faces of establishment Democrats and Republicans.

You can call us legion for we are many!

WC(b)!

Actually, POTY candidate!

[JohnStOnge]

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The Republican Party has not "encouraged the forces of anti-intellectualism." And the reference to populism is laughable given what the Democratic Party has done.

[SDHornet]

That might be true. But my point is- no true conservative would pull the lever for Hildacunt under ANY circumstances.

Of all the cunts running for President Rubio is by far the largest cunt of the bunch...

racist.

[CID1990]

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The Republican Party has not "encouraged the forces of anti-intellectualism." And the reference to populism is laughable given what the Democratic Party has done.

Translation: "I am a liberal and that means I am right. If conservatives would have just admitted we were right and capitulated 20 years ago, there would be no Trump."

insightful (what would we do without our intellectual betters like Fareed "Plagiarist" Zacharias)

Meanwhile, the party of new ideas is giving serious time to a neo-Marxist.

[kalm]

The Republican Party has not "encouraged the forces of anti-intellectualism." And the reference to populism is laughable given what the Democratic Party has done.

Translation: "I am a liberal and that means I am right. If conservatives would have just admitted we were right and capitulated 20 years ago, there would be no Trump."

insightful (what would we do without our intellectual betters like Fareed "Plagiarist" Zacharias)

Meanwhile, the party of new ideas is giving serious time to a neo-Marxist.

No. There's hasn't been a strong anti-intellectualism streak running through the "conservative" side for awhile now. Uh, uh. Not at all.

And what does he mean, obstructionist? It's not as if that's one of the core values of conservatism.





OK, the populism thing, made me pause too. But it's not as if movement conservatism, with a mistrust of liberal elites in government and the private sector (Soros?) is insignificant or can't be labeled as a form of populism. There's still a Tea Party caucus, right? In fact, isn't their a Tea Party type candidate doing fairly well right now?

Or are you that afraid of certain labels?



(I actually think you're technically right in labeling Bernie a neo-marxist. It just doesn't make me shit the bed )

[CID1990]

Translation: "I am a liberal and that means I am right. If conservatives would have just admitted we were right and capitulated 20 years ago, there would be no Trump."

insightful (what would we do without our intellectual betters like Fareed "Plagiarist" Zacharias)

Meanwhile, the party of new ideas is giving serious time to a neo-Marxist.

No. There's hasn't been a strong anti-intellectualism streak running through the "conservative" side for awhile now. Uh, uh. Not at all.

And what does he mean, obstructionist? It's not as if that's one of the core values of conservatism.





OK, the populism thing, made me pause too. But it's not as if movement conservatism, with a mistrust of liberal elites in government and the private sector (Soros?) is insignificant or can't be labeled as a form of populism. There's still a Tea Party caucus, right? In fact, isn't their a Tea Party type candidate doing fairly well right now?

Or are you that afraid of certain labels?



(I actually think you're technically right in labeling Bernie a neo-marxist. It just doesn't make me **** the bed )

Clam down, Nancy.

I am merely pointing out that your preening hero is no different from those he disagrees with- and he isn't an intellectual - he pretends to be one (since you missed the nickname I gave him apparently)

tut tutting people like some professor of anthropology at EWU or some other directional school is not how you do it....

My last point is simply that- Trump is little different from Bernie if people want to talk about mid-twentieth century political/ideological failures- the Democratic Party has a problem too... they just haven't noticed it yet because Bernie is a lot closer to their "center" than Trump is to the GOP's