89Hen wrote:Not true. I may disagree with a lot of folks but definitely some more than others. I'm far more towards the center than a lot of other conservatives on the board. I'm still not in the middle and that doesn't make me right, but it does make me less extreme. Who here votes straight ballot? I think that's irrational.Chizzang wrote:Everybody on this forum thinks everybody else on this forum is insane...
Agree, 100%!
Too late, 89. The Sensible Center slot here is already occupied by UNI88, Dr. Heck, and Raul.89Hen wrote:Not true. I may disagree with a lot of folks but definitely some more than others. I'm far more towards the center than a lot of other conservatives on the board. I'm still not in the middle and that doesn't make me right, but it does make me less extreme. Who here votes straight ballot? I think that's irrational.Chizzang wrote:Everybody on this forum thinks everybody else on this forum is insane...
Dr. ? I like the sound of that. Heck ya!Ivytalk wrote:Too late, 89. The Sensible Center slot here is already occupied by UNI88, Dr. Heck, and Raul.89Hen wrote: Not true. I may disagree with a lot of folks but definitely some more than others. I'm far more towards the center than a lot of other conservatives on the board. I'm still not in the middle and that doesn't make me right, but it does make me less extreme. Who here votes straight ballot? I think that's irrational.
There are a number of things to criticize Obama for, this probably isn't one of them. Hasn't he also increased deportation?CAA Flagship wrote:Holy Crap. Obama is giving a speech right now that is complete BS.
He said he has worked hard to bridge the divides in this country.
He talks about the R Candidates' stances on "immigration". Never once mentioning ILLEGAL immigration.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/mexican-imm ... 1447954334For the first time since the 1940s, more Mexicans have been leaving the U.S. to return home than arriving, a reversal that brings down the curtain on the largest immigration wave in modern American history, according to a new study.
Mexican migration has been falling for some time. But the Pew Research Center figures released Thursday suggest that the surge in legal and illegal Mexican immigration that helped transform America—and remains a contentious issue on the presidential campaign trail—may have peaked for good.
“Mexican migration to the U.S. has been one of the world’s great migration stories, and this data shows it has come to an end,” said Mark Hugo Lopez, director of Pew’s Hispanic research. Pew based its study on an analysis of U.S. and Mexican government data for the years 2009 to 2014.
In a shift, Asians now represent the only group in the U.S. that is growing because of immigration.
About 16 million Mexicans flocked to the U.S. during the last 40 years—about half of them illegally. But between 2009 and 2014, some one million returned to their country of origin, while 870,000 headed to the U.S., according to the report.
You'll want to polish up your Obama hard on with different wax Falggy....CAA Flagship wrote:Holy Crap. Obama is giving a speech right now that is complete BS.
He said he has worked hard to bridge the divides in this country.
He talks about the R Candidates' stances on "immigration". Never once mentioning ILLEGAL immigration.
Sad indictment of the US economy.kalm wrote:There are a number of things to criticize Obama for, this probably isn't one of them. Hasn't he also increased deportation?CAA Flagship wrote:Holy Crap. Obama is giving a speech right now that is complete BS.
He said he has worked hard to bridge the divides in this country.
He talks about the R Candidates' stances on "immigration". Never once mentioning ILLEGAL immigration.
Low information voters...
http://www.wsj.com/articles/mexican-imm ... 1447954334For the first time since the 1940s, more Mexicans have been leaving the U.S. to return home than arriving, a reversal that brings down the curtain on the largest immigration wave in modern American history, according to a new study.
Mexican migration has been falling for some time. But the Pew Research Center figures released Thursday suggest that the surge in legal and illegal Mexican immigration that helped transform America—and remains a contentious issue on the presidential campaign trail—may have peaked for good.
“Mexican migration to the U.S. has been one of the world’s great migration stories, and this data shows it has come to an end,” said Mark Hugo Lopez, director of Pew’s Hispanic research. Pew based its study on an analysis of U.S. and Mexican government data for the years 2009 to 2014.
In a shift, Asians now represent the only group in the U.S. that is growing because of immigration.
About 16 million Mexicans flocked to the U.S. during the last 40 years—about half of them illegally. But between 2009 and 2014, some one million returned to their country of origin, while 870,000 headed to the U.S., according to the report.
Listen with BOTH ears. I'm not talking about Obama's record. I'm talking about his slant on the discussions by the candidates.kalm wrote:There are a number of things to criticize Obama for, this probably isn't one of them. Hasn't he also increased deportation?CAA Flagship wrote:Holy Crap. Obama is giving a speech right now that is complete BS.
He said he has worked hard to bridge the divides in this country.
He talks about the R Candidates' stances on "immigration". Never once mentioning ILLEGAL immigration.
Low information voters...
http://www.wsj.com/articles/mexican-imm ... 1447954334For the first time since the 1940s, more Mexicans have been leaving the U.S. to return home than arriving, a reversal that brings down the curtain on the largest immigration wave in modern American history, according to a new study.
Mexican migration has been falling for some time. But the Pew Research Center figures released Thursday suggest that the surge in legal and illegal Mexican immigration that helped transform America—and remains a contentious issue on the presidential campaign trail—may have peaked for good.
“Mexican migration to the U.S. has been one of the world’s great migration stories, and this data shows it has come to an end,” said Mark Hugo Lopez, director of Pew’s Hispanic research. Pew based its study on an analysis of U.S. and Mexican government data for the years 2009 to 2014.
In a shift, Asians now represent the only group in the U.S. that is growing because of immigration.
About 16 million Mexicans flocked to the U.S. during the last 40 years—about half of them illegally. But between 2009 and 2014, some one million returned to their country of origin, while 870,000 headed to the U.S., according to the report.
They WOULD take our jobs, if'n we had any to take!93henfan wrote:Sad indictment of the US economy.kalm wrote:
There are a number of things to criticize Obama for, this probably isn't one of them. Hasn't he also increased deportation?
Low information voters...
http://www.wsj.com/articles/mexican-imm ... 1447954334
NO. Talk about low information..kalm wrote:There are a number of things to criticize Obama for, this probably isn't one of them. Hasn't he also increased deportation?CAA Flagship wrote:Holy Crap. Obama is giving a speech right now that is complete BS.
He said he has worked hard to bridge the divides in this country.
He talks about the R Candidates' stances on "immigration". Never once mentioning ILLEGAL immigration.
Low information voters...
I posted this last week in another thread. You need to pay attention. 
Ivytalk wrote:Too late, 89. The Sensible Center slot here is already occupied by UNI88, Dr. Heck, and Raul.89Hen wrote: Not true. I may disagree with a lot of folks but definitely some more than others. I'm far more towards the center than a lot of other conservatives on the board. I'm still not in the middle and that doesn't make me right, but it does make me less extreme. Who here votes straight ballot? I think that's irrational.
Looks to me like total removals were higher every year of his presidency. Would you rather have them get past the border, settle in, receive government services for a few years, then go through the deportation process?BDKJMU wrote:kalm wrote:
There are a number of things to criticize Obama for, this probably isn't one of them. Hasn't he also increased deportation?
Low information voters...
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/st ... d-deporta/
Chizzang wrote:
That strategy was accelerated by Obama so that people trying to cross the border illegally face more significant consequences and receive formal deportation orders..."
Wrong, and also penalty flag for no link.Chizzang wrote:Check your Obama Boner Wax boys...
"Deportations or "removals" under Obama are tracking higher than during the Bush years using the most literal deportation statistics, as well as those solely from ICE. Dobbs’ contention that the Obama administration is inflating its number is an interpretation of a change in federal policy to process and remove people trying to enter the country illegally rather than just turn them around. Whether you agree with the policy, those formal removals are occurring.
That strategy was accelerated by Obama so that people trying to cross the border illegally face more significant consequences and receive formal deportation orders..."
This ^...
Again:
The Obama haters are going to need different Boner Wax - because this ain't it
BINGO!93henfan wrote:Sad indictment of the US economy.kalm wrote:
There are a number of things to criticize Obama for, this probably isn't one of them. Hasn't he also increased deportation?
Low information voters...
http://www.wsj.com/articles/mexican-imm ... 1447954334
Details...schmetails.WASHINGTON — Immigration activists have sharply criticized President Obama for a rising volume of deportations, labeling him the "deporter in chief" and staging large protests that have harmed his standing with some Latinos, a key group of voters for Democrats.
But the portrait of a steadily increasing number of deportations rests on statistics that conceal almost as much as they disclose. A closer examination shows that immigrants living illegally in most of the continental U.S. are less likely to be deported today than before Obama came to office, according to immigration data.
Expulsions of people who are settled and working in the United States have fallen steadily since his first year in office, and are down more than 40% since 2009.
On the other side of the ledger, the number of people deported at or near the border has gone up — primarily as a result of changing who gets counted in the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency's deportation statistics.
The vast majority of those border crossers would not have been treated as formal deportations under most previous administrations. If all removals were tallied, the total sent back to Mexico each year would have been far higher under those previous administrations than it is now.
Good lord you're slowBDKJMU wrote:Wrong, and also penalty flag for no link.Chizzang wrote:Check your Obama Boner Wax boys...
"Deportations or "removals" under Obama are tracking higher than during the Bush years using the most literal deportation statistics, as well as those solely from ICE. Dobbs’ contention that the Obama administration is inflating its number is an interpretation of a change in federal policy to process and remove people trying to enter the country illegally rather than just turn them around. Whether you agree with the policy, those formal removals are occurring.
That strategy was accelerated by Obama so that people trying to cross the border illegally face more significant consequences and receive formal deportation orders..."
This ^...
Again:
The Obama haters are going to need different Boner Wax - because this ain't it
".....But either way you look at the figures, interior deportations have fallen between 40 and 60 percent during Obama’s term.
Four immigration policy analysts we talked to agreed that interior deportations dropped off under Obama....
.....Goodlatte said deportations are "way down" under Obama.
The figures he cites show a significant drop during Obama’s term, a trend confirmed by several by immigration analysts we interviewed.
We rate his statement True.....
http://www.politifact.com/virginia/stat ... ave-falle/
10/6/15
"US government deports fewest immigrants in nearly a decade
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Obama administration deported fewer immigrants over the past 12 months than at any time since 2006, according to internal figures obtained by The Associated Press as Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton called Obama's deportation policies too harsh.
Deportations of criminal immigrants have fallen to the lowest levels since President Barack Obama took office in 2009, despite his pledge to focus on finding and deporting criminals living in the country illegally. The share of criminal immigrants deported in relation to overall immigrants deported rose slightly, from 56 percent to 59 percent.
The overall total of 231,000 deportations generally does not include Mexicans who were caught at the border and quickly returned home by the U.S. Border Patrol. The figure does include roughly 136,700 convicted criminals deported in the last 12 months.
Total deportations dropped 42 percent since 2012....."
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/1f2b7615 ... rly-decade
Chizzang wrote:Check your Obama Boner Wax boys...
"Deportations or "removals" under Obama are tracking higher than during the Bush years using the most literal deportation statistics, as well as those solely from ICE. Dobbs’ contention that the Obama administration is inflating its number is an interpretation of a change in federal policy to process and remove people trying to enter the country illegally rather than just turn them around. Whether you agree with the policy, those formal removals are occurring.
That strategy was accelerated by Obama so that people trying to cross the border illegally face more significant consequences and receive formal deportation orders..."
This ^...
Again:
The Obama haters are going to need different Boner Wax - because this ain't it
Kenny Powers is a good guy. I met him on set of his upcoming TV show, the dude comes off a helluva lot smarter than he looks. You're the one who was clinging to the fallacy that deportations haven't plummeted under Obama.Chizzang wrote:Good lord you're slowBDKJMU wrote:
Wrong, and also penalty flag for no link.
".....But either way you look at the figures, interior deportations have fallen between 40 and 60 percent during Obama’s term.
Four immigration policy analysts we talked to agreed that interior deportations dropped off under Obama....
.....Goodlatte said deportations are "way down" under Obama.
The figures he cites show a significant drop during Obama’s term, a trend confirmed by several by immigration analysts we interviewed.
We rate his statement True.....
http://www.politifact.com/virginia/stat ... ave-falle/
10/6/15
"US government deports fewest immigrants in nearly a decade
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Obama administration deported fewer immigrants over the past 12 months than at any time since 2006, according to internal figures obtained by The Associated Press as Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton called Obama's deportation policies too harsh.
Deportations of criminal immigrants have fallen to the lowest levels since President Barack Obama took office in 2009, despite his pledge to focus on finding and deporting criminals living in the country illegally. The share of criminal immigrants deported in relation to overall immigrants deported rose slightly, from 56 percent to 59 percent.
The overall total of 231,000 deportations generally does not include Mexicans who were caught at the border and quickly returned home by the U.S. Border Patrol. The figure does include roughly 136,700 convicted criminals deported in the last 12 months.
Total deportations dropped 42 percent since 2012....."
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/1f2b7615 ... rly-decade
Everything I quoted was from the POLITIFACT link that GATW linked
which you obviously DID NOT READ
There are a thousand accurate things to complain about with Obama
Immigration really isn't one of them
And saying illegal immigration isn't something to complain about under the Amnesty in Chief Lets see, deportations way down, including even those of criminal aliens, waves of UMs coming across the border, millions of illegals being given de facto amnesty with King Obama's executive fiats..
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q81NnURns6w[/youtube]Ivytalk wrote:Too late, 89. The Sensible Center slot here is already occupied by UNI88, Dr. Heck, and Raul.89Hen wrote: Not true. I may disagree with a lot of folks but definitely some more than others. I'm far more towards the center than a lot of other conservatives on the board. I'm still not in the middle and that doesn't make me right, but it does make me less extreme. Who here votes straight ballot? I think that's irrational.
I'll slow this down for you...BDKJMU wrote:
You're the one who was clinging to the fallacy that deportations haven't plummeted under Obama.
I think it's pretty clear it's a matter of understanding (or lack thereof), not belief.Chizzang wrote:I'll slow this down for you...BDKJMU wrote:
You're the one who was clinging to the fallacy that deportations haven't plummeted under Obama.
Do you believe this graph below - yes or no question
Then we'll move on to more detailed information
Damn. I swear 369 used to be less than 410 at some point in the past. I hate this new math.Grizalltheway wrote:
Looks to me like total removals were higher every year of his presidency. Would you rather have them get past the border, settle in, receive government services for a few years, then go through the deportation process?
JFC. Higher every of his presidency than any year before it.CAA Flagship wrote:Damn. I swear 369 used to be less than 410 at some point in the past. I hate this new math.Grizalltheway wrote:
Looks to me like total removals were higher every year of his presidency. Would you rather have them get past the border, settle in, receive government services for a few years, then go through the deportation process?
