Socialist Party Of America Manifesto. What's The Problem?

[Cap'n Cat]

http://www.sp-usa.org/

from the SPUSA Statement of Principles....
THE SOCIALIST PARTY strives to establish a radical democracy that places people's lives under their own control - a non-racist, classless, feminist socialist society... where working people own and control the means of production and distribution through democratically-controlled public agencies; where full employment is realized for everyone who wants to work; where workers have the right to form unions freely, and to strike and engage in other forms of job actions; and where the production of society is used for the benefit of all humanity, not for the private profit of a few. We believe socialism and democracy are one and indivisible. The working class is in a key and central position to fight back against the ruling capitalist class and its power. The working class is the major force worldwide that can lead the way to a socialist future - to a real radical democracy from below. The Socialist Party fights for progressive changes compatible with a socialist future. We support militant working class struggles and electoral action, independent of the capitalist controlled two-party system, to present socialist alternatives. We strive for democratic revolutions - radical and fundamental changes in the structure and quality of economic, political, and personal relations - to abolish the power now exercised by the few who control great wealth and the government. The Socialist Party is a democratic, multi-tendency organization, with structure and practices visible and accessible to all members.



Many Conk and Donk ideals in there.

[Col Hogan]

There are thousands of questions....here's just a few

If the workers are "in a key and central position to fight back against the ruling capitalist class and its power", what incentive does that ruling class have to improve products, which improve profits, which is where pay increases and better benefits for the workers come from?

If "the production of society is used for the benefit of all humanity", how do the workers performing the production get paid, since lots of humanity cant pay for stuff???

What incentive does this society give to someone with wealth to risk that wealth on research and development of new products that could benefit society, if the very workers are going to fight back against this wealthy persons capitalist class?

Just a few thoughts that I'd love to see your answers for.....

[catamount man]

At the expense of those who willingly work and earn their way, the communist aka "socialist" movement seeks to enslave the non-working people with an entitlement mentality, a victim mentality, and increase the taxation on those already paying the majority of the taxes thereby reducing their wealth and handcuffing inherited right of said pursuit by the same one willing to pay the price to achieve and succeed with the end result being the taking from said one who has and giving to the one who has not, and more over has not the will nor desire to achieve his own wealth and comfort, all under the false guise of "the greater good".

(THIS IS WHAT HE MEANT TO SAY!!!!!!!!! )

[Cap'n Cat]

There are thousands of questions....here's just a few

If the workers are "in a key and central position to fight back against the ruling capitalist class and its power", what incentive does that ruling class have to improve products, which improve profits, which is where pay increases and better benefits for the workers come from?

Pay increases are bourgeois.


If "the production of society is used for the benefit of all humanity", how do the workers performing the production get paid, since lots of humanity cant pay for stuff???

Local government councils, filled with workers, decide pay.


What incentive does this society give to someone with wealth to risk that wealth on research and development of new products that could benefit society, if the very workers are going to fight back against this wealthy persons capitalist class?

The wealthy class will be pushed to the side, hopefully, non-violently, and research and development will be performed by other workers earning an equitable wage.

Just a few thoughts that I'd love to see your answers for.....

There. Now fuck off.

[catamount man]

There are thousands of questions....here's just a few

If the workers are "in a key and central position to fight back against the ruling capitalist class and its power", what incentive does that ruling class have to improve products, which improve profits, which is where pay increases and better benefits for the workers come from?

Pay increases are bourgeois.


If "the production of society is used for the benefit of all humanity", how do the workers performing the production get paid, since lots of humanity cant pay for stuff???

Local government councils, filled with workers, decide pay.


What incentive does this society give to someone with wealth to risk that wealth on research and development of new products that could benefit society, if the very workers are going to fight back against this wealthy persons capitalist class?

The wealthy class will be pushed to the side, hopefully, non-violently, and research and development will be performed by other workers earning an equitable wage.

Just a few thoughts that I'd love to see your answers for.....

There. Now **** off.

ALL violations of the United States Constitution, but what does Obama care about the Constitution for? Remember, "it's flawed". fuckstick he is!

[Col Hogan]

There are thousands of questions....here's just a few

If the workers are "in a key and central position to fight back against the ruling capitalist class and its power", what incentive does that ruling class have to improve products, which improve profits, which is where pay increases and better benefits for the workers come from?

Pay increases are bourgeois.


If "the production of society is used for the benefit of all humanity", how do the workers performing the production get paid, since lots of humanity cant pay for stuff???

Local government councils, filled with workers, decide pay.


What incentive does this society give to someone with wealth to risk that wealth on research and development of new products that could benefit society, if the very workers are going to fight back against this wealthy persons capitalist class?

The wealthy class will be pushed to the side, hopefully, non-violently, and research and development will be performed by other workers earning an equitable wage.

Just a few thoughts that I'd love to see your answers for.....

There. Now **** off.

Will the "worker" who will help me **** off be free?????

[Cap'n Cat]

There. Now **** off.

ALL violations of the United States Constitution, but what does Obama care about the Constitution for? Remember, "it's flawed". fuckstick he is!

Diseased.

[Ivytalk]

What the hell is a "multi-tendency organization"?

Cap'n Cat has "tendencies" toward weed, Russian porn, grain alcohol, muskie fishing, and Socialism. So, I guess he's "multi-tendencied"!

[JoltinJoe]

This stuff always looks great on paper.

But when you centralize so much political and economic power, megalomaniacs are drawn to it like bugs to a light. And in the battle for power, the Stalins always defeat the Trotskys.

And even if the Trotskys win, they become the Stalins. As Lord Acton observed, "Power corrupts; and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

[catamount man]

This stuff always looks great on paper.

But when you centralize so much political and economic power, megalomaniacs are drawn to it like bugs to a light. And in the battle for power, the Stalins always defeat the Trotskys.

And even if the Trotskys win, they become the Stalins. As Lord Acton observed, "Power corrupts; and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

That quote will be on Obama's tombstone at the rate he's going.

[Cap'n Cat]

This stuff always looks great on paper.

But when you centralize so much political and economic power, megalomaniacs are drawn to it like bugs to a light. And in the battle for power, the Stalins always defeat the Trotskys.

And even if the Trotskys win, they become the Stalins. As Lord Acton observed, "Power corrupts; and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

That quote will be on Obama's tombstone at the rate he's going.

Yep, he's a regular Beria.



Grow up, Catter.

[native]

This stuff always looks great on paper...

Bull$h!t! It doesn't look great on paper to anyone but a fvcking idiot.

[Cap'n Cat]

This stuff always looks great on paper...

Bull$h!t! It doesn't look great on papder to anyone but a fvcking idiot.

Pure capitalism doesn't even look good on papre and look where the prostituted American version got us, Buffy.

[UNI88]

Bull$h!t! It doesn't look great on papder to anyone but a fvcking idiot.

Pure capitalism doesn't even look good on papyrus and look where the prostituted American version got us, Buffy.

And the prostituted version of socialism followed in the Soviet Union got them where?

It is human nature for the over-achievers (both the good and the greedy) to gravitate to where they can achieve and be rewarded for achieving. Many of the individuals running corporations in a capitalist society would be the ones running the state bureacracy in a socialist society.

I for one much prefer the "bad times" we're going through now to what people had to put up with in the USSR.

[Ibanez]

This stuff always looks great on paper.

But when you centralize so much political and economic power, megalomaniacs are drawn to it like bugs to a light. And in the battle for power, the Stalins always defeat the Trotskys.

And even if the Trotskys win, they become the Stalins. As Lord Acton observed, "Power corrupts; and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

That quote will be on Obama's tombstone at the rate he's going.

Will you stop whining? If you keep acting like a bitch, you're gonna get smacked like a bitch.

[SuperHornet]

I know we all focus on Obama being a closet Commie. I've been certainly known to adhere to that. But I've heard it said that he's actually closer to Fascism than Communism.

Any comments on that?

[Cap'n Cat]

I know we all focus on Obama being a closet Commie. I've been certainly known to adhere to that. But I've heard it said that he's actually closer to Fascism than Communism.

Any comments on that?

He's neither, nor. You know it. You clowns are privately admiring of him.

We'll keep that on the down low.

[Cap'n Cat]

Pure capitalism doesn't even look good on papyrus and look where the prostituted American version got us, Buffy.

And the prostituted version of socialism followed in the Soviet Union got them where?

It is human nature for the over-achievers (both the good and the greedy) to gravitate to where they can achieve and be rewarded for achieving. Many of the individuals running corporations in a capitalist society would be the ones running the state bureacracy in a socialist society.

I for one much prefer the "bad times" we're going through now to what people had to put up with in the USSR.

Good points, 8 Ball.

Neither is a good system. Capitalism is the lesser of two evils, to moi.

[native]

I know we all focus on Obama being a closet Commie. I've been certainly known to adhere to that. But I've heard it said that he's actually closer to Fascism than Communism.

Any comments on that?

Sharia law has a lot in common with fascism. If you or your family member is in a gulag, I don't think it makes much difference whether it's a Bolshevik or a Nazi gulag.

[Cap'n Cat]

I know we all focus on Obama being a closet Commie. I've been certainly known to adhere to that. But I've heard it said that he's actually closer to Fascism than Communism.

Any comments on that?

Sharia law has a lot in common with fascism. If you or your family member is in a gulag, I don't think it makes much difference whether it's a Bolshevik or a Nazi gulag.

Interesting you mention that, Navidad. I'm reading Gulag, by Anne Applebaum, the definitive historical volume on the Soviet system of labor camps Run by the OGPU (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OGPU) and, after 90 pages of comparison btw Nazi and Soviet, I'd rather be in a Soviet one. Not important to this thread, just sayin'.
I recommend the book.

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