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Yeah...thats kind of been the ongoing troll with me.

Way to keep up... :ohno:
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kalm wrote: I was a Johnson supporter :suspicious: before it was a cool. All the smart conks on the board are followers of kalm.
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kalm wrote: I was a Johnson supporter :suspicious: before it was a cool. All the smart conks on the board are followers of kalm.
You're welcome to get in line. :nod:
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Re: The Undecideds

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kalm wrote: I was a Johnson supporter :suspicious: before it was a cool. All the smart conks on the board are followers of kalm.
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Re: The Undecideds

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kalm wrote:
HI54UNI wrote:
Just admit it. You'll feel better! You're among friends! :thumb:
I was a Johnson supporter :suspicious: before it was a cool. All the smart conks on the board are followers of kalm.

You're welcome to get in line. :nod:
:lol: :lol:

More like followers of Iskalm. :coffee:
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CAA Flagship wrote:
kalm wrote:
I was a Johnson supporter :suspicious: before it was a cool. All the smart conks on the board are followers of kalm.

You're welcome to get in line. :nod:
:lol: :lol:

More like followers of Iskalm. :coffee:
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Re: The Undecideds

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Ibanez wrote:
CID1990 wrote:Technically I'm an undecided.

I'm a SC voter so my vote doesn't matter because SC is going Trump (maybe Pres Hillary will close down Parris Island like Bill closed the Chas navy base)

Right now I am undecided whether I will vote for Johnson or if I won't vote at all (which, in this election, is also a vote)


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Re: The Undecideds

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CID1990 wrote:Technically I'm an undecided.

I'm a SC voter so my vote doesn't matter because SC is going Trump (maybe Pres Hillary will close down Parris Island like Bill closed the Chas navy base)

Right now I am undecided whether I will vote for Johnson or if I won't vote at all (which, in this election, is also a vote)
I think you're probably right but three of the past four polls reported at Real Clear Politics right now have the race as too close to call in statistical terms including the last one which has Trump favored by 4 percentage points among respondents and a 4.5 percentage point margin of error for an individual estimate (4 way race). As I've written before a 4.5 percent margin of error for an individual estimate means something like a 7 to 9 percentage point margin of error for the difference between the two candidates. If the election were held tomorrow and Clinton won South Carolina that outcome would not be outside of the reasonable range of outcomes suggested by that poll.

Now, if you want a State where it's REALLY clear that Trump is going to win it's the one I'm in. The latest poll up for Louisiana has Trump with a 10 point margin among respondents with a 3.3 percentage point margin of error for an individual estimate.
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Re: The Undecideds

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JohnStOnge wrote:
CID1990 wrote:Technically I'm an undecided.

I'm a SC voter so my vote doesn't matter because SC is going Trump (maybe Pres Hillary will close down Parris Island like Bill closed the Chas navy base)

Right now I am undecided whether I will vote for Johnson or if I won't vote at all (which, in this election, is also a vote)
I think you're probably right but three of the past four polls reported at Real Clear Politics right now have the race as too close to call in statistical terms including the last one which has Trump favored by 4 percentage points among respondents and a 4.5 percentage point margin of error for an individual estimate (4 way race). As I've written before a 4.5 percent margin of error for an individual estimate means something like a 7 to 9 percentage point margin of error for the difference between the two candidates. If the election were held tomorrow and Clinton won South Carolina that outcome would not be outside of the reasonable range of outcomes suggested by that poll.

Now, if you want a State where it's REALLY clear that Trump is going to win it's the one I'm in. The latest poll up for Louisiana has Trump with a 10 point margin among respondents with a 3.3 percentage point margin of error for an individual estimate.
Clinton is not going to carry SC. It will not be close.


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CID1990 wrote:Clinton is not going to carry SC. It will not be close.
I think you're almost certainly right about her not carrying it. But I'm no sure about the close part. I guess part of it depends on what one thinks of as close. Here is what is available at RCP right now:

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It's a 7.6 point average but there's an obvious outlier. Three of the four polls, including the latest one, are "statistical ties." I would not be at all surprised to see Trump win it by 5 or fewer percentage points. Again, I wouldn't be surprised to see him win by more than that either. But it's not like Louisiana is right now.
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The Republican Think Tank is predicting Trump in a landslide...
(Similar to the Romney landslide prediction)


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CAA Flagship wrote:
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Just some additional comments on those South Carolina polls: The poll that shows Trump up 15, Trafalgar Group, is by a Republican entity and is also the lowest rated of the three polls that are rated at 538 with a C grade.

PPP is a Democratic entity, but is somewhat higher rated than Trafalgar at B+. Gravis is graded B- and as far as I can tell 538 has not graded Winthrop. But I looked at the methodology at http://www.winthrop.edu/winthroppoll/de ... px?id=9802 and it looks good to me.

While I don't dismiss the possibility that the Trafalgar Group poll could be closer to right and the other three closer to wrong, if I had to bet I'd bet it's the other way around and that the race in South Carolina is pretty close. By "close" I mean less than 5 percentage points.

I think Louisiana where I live has something on the order of a 10 to 15 percentage point edge for Trump. Limited information but I think it's reasonable to believe it's in that area. If I was in South Carolina I'd definitely vote for Clinton because I'd think there is some small possibility there could be a surprise. Some small possibility that who I voted for could make a difference. In Louisiana that's not the case. Problem is I can't bring myself to vote for Johnson for various reasons, some of which should be obvious, and I CERTAINLY can't vote for Stein. Maybe that Evan guy will be on the ballot.

The South Carolina polling results again for reference:

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JohnStOnge wrote:Just some additional comments on those South Carolina polls: The poll that shows Trump up 15, Trafalgar Group, is by a Republican entity and is also the lowest rated of the three polls that are rated at 538 with a C grade.

PPP is a Democratic entity, but is somewhat higher rated than Trafalgar at B+. Gravis is graded B- and as far as I can tell 538 has not graded Winthrop. But I looked at the methodology at http://www.winthrop.edu/winthroppoll/de ... px?id=9802 and it looks good to me.

While I don't dismiss the possibility that the Trafalgar Group poll could be closer to right and the other three closer to wrong, if I had to bet I'd bet it's the other way around and that the race in South Carolina is pretty close. By "close" I mean less than 5 percentage points.

I think Louisiana where I live has something on the order of a 10 to 15 percentage point edge for Trump. Limited information but I think it's reasonable to believe it's in that area. If I was in South Carolina I'd definitely vote for Clinton because I'd think there is some small possibility there could be a surprise. Some small possibility that who I voted for could make a difference. In Louisiana that's not the case. Problem is I can't bring myself to vote for Johnson for various reasons, some of which should be obvious, and I CERTAINLY can't vote for Stein. Maybe that Evan guy will be on the ballot.

The South Carolina polling results again for reference:

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I'm surprised 80% of the people in most polls, are voting for Trump or Hillary. :ohno:
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Ibanez wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:Just some additional comments on those South Carolina polls: The poll that shows Trump up 15, Trafalgar Group, is by a Republican entity and is also the lowest rated of the three polls that are rated at 538 with a C grade.

PPP is a Democratic entity, but is somewhat higher rated than Trafalgar at B+. Gravis is graded B- and as far as I can tell 538 has not graded Winthrop. But I looked at the methodology at http://www.winthrop.edu/winthroppoll/de ... px?id=9802 and it looks good to me.

While I don't dismiss the possibility that the Trafalgar Group poll could be closer to right and the other three closer to wrong, if I had to bet I'd bet it's the other way around and that the race in South Carolina is pretty close. By "close" I mean less than 5 percentage points.

I think Louisiana where I live has something on the order of a 10 to 15 percentage point edge for Trump. Limited information but I think it's reasonable to believe it's in that area. If I was in South Carolina I'd definitely vote for Clinton because I'd think there is some small possibility there could be a surprise. Some small possibility that who I voted for could make a difference. In Louisiana that's not the case. Problem is I can't bring myself to vote for Johnson for various reasons, some of which should be obvious, and I CERTAINLY can't vote for Stein. Maybe that Evan guy will be on the ballot.

The South Carolina polling results again for reference:

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CID1990 wrote:Clinton is not going to carry SC. It will not be close.
I think you're almost certainly right about her not carrying it. But I'm no sure about the close part. I guess part of it depends on what one thinks of as close. Here is what is available at RCP right now:

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It's a 7.6 point average but there's an obvious outlier. Three of the four polls, including the latest one, are "statistical ties." I would not be at all surprised to see Trump win it by 5 or fewer percentage points. Again, I wouldn't be surprised to see him win by more than that either. But it's not like Louisiana is right now.
Any poll that shows Clinton close to Trump in SC is an indicator of just one thing-

That poll is doing something wrong


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CID1990 wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:
I think you're almost certainly right about her not carrying it. But I'm no sure about the close part. I guess part of it depends on what one thinks of as close. Here is what is available at RCP right now:

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It's a 7.6 point average but there's an obvious outlier. Three of the four polls, including the latest one, are "statistical ties." I would not be at all surprised to see Trump win it by 5 or fewer percentage points. Again, I wouldn't be surprised to see him win by more than that either. But it's not like Louisiana is right now.
Any poll that shows Clinton close to Trump in SC is an indicator of just one thing-

That poll is doing something wrong
We'll see. Especially with the extent to which Trump is screwing up right now.
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JohnStOnge wrote:Just some additional comments on those South Carolina polls: The poll that shows Trump up 15, Trafalgar Group, is by a Republican entity and is also the lowest rated of the three polls that are rated at 538 with a C grade.

PPP is a Democratic entity, but is somewhat higher rated than Trafalgar at B+. Gravis is graded B- and as far as I can tell 538 has not graded Winthrop. But I looked at the methodology at http://www.winthrop.edu/winthroppoll/de ... px?id=9802 and it looks good to me.

While I don't dismiss the possibility that the Trafalgar Group poll could be closer to right and the other three closer to wrong, if I had to bet I'd bet it's the other way around and that the race in South Carolina is pretty close. By "close" I mean less than 5 percentage points.

I think Louisiana where I live has something on the order of a 10 to 15 percentage point edge for Trump. Limited information but I think it's reasonable to believe it's in that area. If I was in South Carolina I'd definitely vote for Clinton because I'd think there is some small possibility there could be a surprise. Some small possibility that who I voted for could make a difference. In Louisiana that's not the case. Problem is I can't bring myself to vote for Johnson for various reasons, some of which should be obvious, and I CERTAINLY can't vote for Stein. Maybe that Evan guy will be on the ballot.

The South Carolina polling results again for reference:

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Doesn't matter in Texas, it'll go to Trump. This is a state dumb enough to think Cruz is a good politician so they have a history of voting for head cases. I always vote, so I guess old Gary will get mine this go around.
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