Poor, White, Dangerous Idiots

[CID1990]

actually i picture the author as a very rare breed- someone who came from a rural background but never could quite connect with the people they grew up with.

most people like that eventually leave those communities and then disavow where they came from and condemn the people they grew up with.

The more rare bird is the one that leaves that community because they dont quite connect but they stay loyal to their people and remain very defensive of them. Sen. James Webb is one, and the author sounds that way too. So am I


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Good to see Jimmy has walked back on his opinion of women in the military. Can't wait to see results from his telescope.

Given that he is the most highly decorated Marine officer in Vietnam and all of his military experience was in combat, I'd say his opinion counts for more than mine or yours.


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[Ivytalk]

Some conservative writers -- Victor Davis Hanson and Jeremy Carl, to name two -- have picked up on the same theme as Ms. Smarsh. Most of the Trump voters I know in Slower Lower DE are not poor whites. But they do feel disrespected, and they distrust "elites" of all stripes.

[CID1990]

Some conservative writers -- Victor Davis Hanson and Jeremy Carl, to name two -- have picked up on the same theme as Ms. Smarsh. Most of the Trump voters I know in Slower Lower DE are not poor whites. But they do feel disrespected, and they distrust "elites" of all stripes.

I am only two generations removed from poor Scots Irish subsistence farmers and I still have relatives who would be considered Appalachians. The majority of the ones I know either don't vote, and the ones who do are evenly split between Johnson, Trump and Clinton.

Literally all of my conservative friends and family who would be considered middle or upper middle class are breaking for Trump almost to a man. Maybe I agree with the author because her conclusions closely match my own anecdotal experience.

In in my immediate family (out to first cousins) I used to be the only weirdo voting third party. Now there are 4-5 of us.


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[Ibanez]

Some conservative writers -- Victor Davis Hanson and Jeremy Carl, to name two -- have picked up on the same theme as Ms. Smarsh. Most of the Trump voters I know in Slower Lower DE are not poor whites. But they do feel disrespected, and they distrust "elites" of all stripes.

My siblings are far from poor whites and they are trump supporters for mostly those reason. They don't like the Clintons, aren't happy with Republicans and want to give the bird to the government.

[Skjellyfetti]

The book mentioned in the article is very good if you haven't read it.

From a former marine and Yale Law School graduate, a probing look at the struggles of America’s white working class through the author’s own story of growing up in a poor Rust Belt town.

Hillbilly Elegy is a passionate and personal analysis of a culture in crisis—that of poor, white Americans. The disintegration of this group, a process that has been slowly occurring now for over forty years, has been reported with growing frequency and alarm, but has never before been written about as searingly from the inside. In HillbillyElegy, J.D. Vance tells the true story of what a social, regional, and class decline feels like when you were born with it hanging around your neck.

The Vance family story began with hope in postwar America. J.D.’s grandparents were “dirt poor and in love” and moved north from Kentucky’s Appalachia region to Ohio in the hopes of escaping the dreadful poverty around them. They raised a middle-class family, and eventually one of their grandchildren would graduate from Yale Law School, a conventional marker of success in achieving generational upward mobility. But as the family saga of Hillbilly Elegy plays out, we learn that J.D.’s grandparents, aunt, uncle, sister, and, most of all, his mother struggled profoundly with the demands of their new middle-class life, never fully escaping the legacy of abuse, alcoholism, poverty, and trauma so characteristic of their part of America. With piercing honesty, Vance shows how he himself still carries around the demons of his chaotic family history.

A deeply moving memoir, with its share of humor and vividly colorful figures, Hillbilly Elegy is the story of how upward mobility really feels. And it is an urgent and troubling meditation on the loss of the American dream for a large segment of this country.

[93henfan]

The book mentioned in the article is very good if you haven't read it.

From a former marine and Yale Law School graduate, a probing look at the struggles of America’s white working class through the author’s own story of growing up in a poor Rust Belt town.

Hillbilly Elegy is a passionate and personal analysis of a culture in crisis—that of poor, white Americans. The disintegration of this group, a process that has been slowly occurring now for over forty years, has been reported with growing frequency and alarm, but has never before been written about as searingly from the inside. In HillbillyElegy, J.D. Vance tells the true story of what a social, regional, and class decline feels like when you were born with it hanging around your neck.

The Vance family story began with hope in postwar America. J.D.’s grandparents were “dirt poor and in love” and moved north from Kentucky’s Appalachia region to Ohio in the hopes of escaping the dreadful poverty around them. They raised a middle-class family, and eventually one of their grandchildren would graduate from Yale Law School, a conventional marker of success in achieving generational upward mobility. But as the family saga of Hillbilly Elegy plays out, we learn that J.D.’s grandparents, aunt, uncle, sister, and, most of all, his mother struggled profoundly with the demands of their new middle-class life, never fully escaping the legacy of abuse, alcoholism, poverty, and trauma so characteristic of their part of America. With piercing honesty, Vance shows how he himself still carries around the demons of his chaotic family history.

A deeply moving memoir, with its share of humor and vividly colorful figures, Hillbilly Elegy is the story of how upward mobility really feels. And it is an urgent and troubling meditation on the loss of the American dream for a large segment of this country.

Former Marine? moron

White working class? losers

Did I get that right Cluck? Just want to make sure I have all my labels correct.

[Chizzang]

We're still talking about people who are voting for the guy who stereotypes everything Right..?
And don't like being stereotyped themselves..?

[93henfan]

We're still talking about people who are voting for the guy who stereotypes everything Right..?
And don't like being stereotyped themselves..?

Ask Cluck. He normally posts late at night after a few drinks, so you may have to wait a bit.

[Ivytalk]

The book mentioned in the article is very good if you haven't read it.

From a former marine and Yale Law School graduate, a probing look at the struggles of America’s white working class through the author’s own story of growing up in a poor Rust Belt town.

Hillbilly Elegy is a passionate and personal analysis of a culture in crisis—that of poor, white Americans. The disintegration of this group, a process that has been slowly occurring now for over forty years, has been reported with growing frequency and alarm, but has never before been written about as searingly from the inside. In HillbillyElegy, J.D. Vance tells the true story of what a social, regional, and class decline feels like when you were born with it hanging around your neck.

The Vance family story began with hope in postwar America. J.D.’s grandparents were “dirt poor and in love” and moved north from Kentucky’s Appalachia region to Ohio in the hopes of escaping the dreadful poverty around them. They raised a middle-class family, and eventually one of their grandchildren would graduate from Yale Law School, a conventional marker of success in achieving generational upward mobility. But as the family saga of Hillbilly Elegy plays out, we learn that J.D.’s grandparents, aunt, uncle, sister, and, most of all, his mother struggled profoundly with the demands of their new middle-class life, never fully escaping the legacy of abuse, alcoholism, poverty, and trauma so characteristic of their part of America. With piercing honesty, Vance shows how he himself still carries around the demons of his chaotic family history.

A deeply moving memoir, with its share of humor and vividly colorful figures, Hillbilly Elegy is the story of how upward mobility really feels. And it is an urgent and troubling meditation on the loss of the American dream for a large segment of this country.

I read this book. The last 50 pages, where he talks about his personal success and happy marriage, sort of offset the first 200 -- which were much more interesting. I give it a B.

[AshevilleApp]

The book mentioned in the article is very good if you haven't read it.

Former Marine? moron

White working class? losers

Did I get that right Cluck? Just want to make sure I have all my labels correct.

Don't pick on Cluck plebeian, he's busy cleaning the Fornetto.

[93henfan]

Former Marine? moron

White working class? losers

Did I get that right Cluck? Just want to make sure I have all my labels correct.

Don't pick on Cluck plebeian, he's busy cleaning the Fornetto.

[CID1990]

We're still talking about people who are voting for the guy who stereotypes everything Right..?
And don't like being stereotyped themselves..?

No, we are talking about WHO is voting for Trump.

Jeezus you're thick today I think you're doing it intentionally

The middle class is the biggest voting bloc for Trump. That's the point


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[Chizzang]

We're still talking about people who are voting for the guy who stereotypes everything Right..?
And don't like being stereotyped themselves..?

No, we are talking about WHO is voting for Trump.

Jeezus you're thick today I think you're doing it intentionally

The middle class is the biggest voting bloc for Trump. That's the point

Oh I get it...
The Middle Class Trump supporter doesn't like being stereotyped
by the "Elitist Mainstream Media"



And the gravy on this delicious goose
is that they've fallen for THE single biggest stereotyper of all time

Please continue about what I'm not getting - it pleases me

[houndawg]

Good to see Jimmy has walked back on his opinion of women in the military. Can't wait to see results from his telescope.

Given that he is the most highly decorated Marine officer in Vietnam and all of his military experience was in combat, I'd say his opinion counts for more than mine or yours.


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Well, yeah, I don't think anybody is disputing that.

Sexual harassment is always an ugly thing.

[Pwns]

I'll say it again: We have more leisure time than ever before, more easy access to information than ever before, more formal education than ever before, and we are woefully civically ignorant as a whole. The white working class is a big part of that problem. And I don't live in some white liberal suburban bubble, I'm around these people. This board is a bunch of erudite political and history scholars compared to these people.

It's not just working class whites, though. You'd better believe there's a lot of mrkleans out there who when you ask them why they don't vote Republican they won't give you anything other than "just don't like them".

Of course, the white working class is one of the few groups of people the Liberal PC Handbook permits shitting on without 100 lashes. Remember when Nancy Pelosi said there was no point in trying to court the WWC vote because they only care about "god, guns, and gays"? Imagine some Republican pointing out how blindly black people vote donk. You'd be able to hear the outrage in the far corners of the world.

It's beyond my comprehension that so many donks are patting themselves on the back for nominating Hillary Clinton. It's like bragging about winning a cooking competition because the other team set the whole kitchen on fire while you only completely burned the entire casserole.

[93henfan]

I'll say it again: We have more leisure time than ever before, more easy access to information than ever before, more formal education than ever before, and we are woefully civically ignorant as a whole. The white working class is a big part of that problem. And I don't live in some white liberal suburban bubble, I'm around these people. This board is a bunch of erudite political and history scholars compared to these people.

It's not just working class whites, though. You'd better believe there's a lot of mrkleans out there who when you ask them why they don't vote Republican they won't give you anything other than "just don't like them".

Of course, the white working class is one of the few groups of people the Liberal PC Handbook permits shitting on without 100 lashes. Remember when Nancy Pelosi said there was no point in trying to court the WWC vote because they only care about "god, guns, and gays"? Imagine some Republican pointing out how blindly black people vote donk. You'd be able to hear the outrage in the far corners of the world.

It's beyond my comprehension that so many donks are patting themselves on the back for nominating Hillary Clinton. It's like bragging about winning a cooking competition because the other team set the whole kitchen on fire while you only completely burned the entire casserole.

Post of the new millennium.

[YoUDeeMan]

Former Marine? moron

White working class? losers

Did I get that right Cluck? Just want to make sure I have all my labels correct.

Don't pick on Cluck plebeian, he's busy cleaning the Fornetto.

Hey, that Fornetto put out some absolutely fantastic ribs the other night.

Next up: brisket.

[CID1990]

No, we are talking about WHO is voting for Trump.

Jeezus you're thick today I think you're doing it intentionally

The middle class is the biggest voting bloc for Trump. That's the point

Oh I get it...
The Middle Class Trump supporter doesn't like being stereotyped
by the "Elitist Mainstream Media"



And the gravy on this delicious goose
is that they've fallen for THE single biggest stereotyper of all time

Please continue about what I'm not getting - it pleases me

Wrong.

It isn't about the middle class. It's about the blame for Trump being laid at the feet of the lower classes by their intellectual superiors, and the fact that they're wrong about the demographic

Kinda like you - except you're stuck in some kind of "who's on first" skipping record. Maybe you're just channeling the other irrelevant contrarian troll in this thread: houndawg


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[Chizzang]

Wrong.

It isn't about the middle class. It's about the blame for Trump being laid at the feet of the lower classes by their intellectual superiors, and the fact that they're wrong about the demographic

Kinda like you - except you're stuck in some kind of "who's on first" skipping record. Maybe you're just channeling the other irrelevant contrarian troll in this thread: houndawg

Always blame the poor - Jesus man where have you been..?
This is America, we've been blaming the poor since the early days of the Industrial Revolution
Reagan became a Republican Hero blaming the poor

but we digress
Lets talk about all those disenfranchised middle class intellectual Trump Supporters
And how offended they are about _____ X _____ pick a thing I'm ready

[SeattleGriz]

Strong work here Clucky!

But this seems similar to the old intolerant of intolerance debate (of which there's been a decent one going over at AGS recently).

Some stereotypes are accurate. The ones where all rural working class Americans are low information white trash Republicans, all Trump voters are of similar ilk, and the establishment liberal media understands America, being at play here.

AKA Bill Maher is a smug prick who just might live in a bit of a bubble.

actually i picture the author as a very rare breed- someone who came from a rural background but never could quite connect with the people they grew up with.

most people like that eventually leave those communities and then disavow where they came from and condemn the people they grew up with.

The more rare bird is the one that leaves that community because they dont quite connect but they stay loyal to their people and remain very defensive of them. Sen. James Webb is one, and the author sounds that way too. So am I


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Me too! Can I have a hug?!

Actually, I really do. Grew up in a town of 90 people and while I don't want to live there, they are some really good people. It's just like the old cliche of never having left. Treated the same 20 years later.

[SeattleGriz]

We're still talking about people who are voting for the guy who stereotypes everything Right..?
And don't like being stereotyped themselves..?

Ask Cluck. He normally posts late at night after a few drinks, so you may have to wait a bit.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Is someone making a move on my territory? Drinking and posting?

[SeattleGriz]

Oh I get it...
The Middle Class Trump supporter doesn't like being stereotyped
by the "Elitist Mainstream Media"



And the gravy on this delicious goose
is that they've fallen for THE single biggest stereotyper of all time

Please continue about what I'm not getting - it pleases me

Wrong.

It isn't about the middle class. It's about the blame for Trump being laid at the feet of the lower classes by their intellectual superiors, and the fact that they're wrong about the demographic

Kinda like you - except you're stuck in some kind of "who's on first" skipping record. Maybe you're just channeling the other irrelevant contrarian troll in this thread: houndawg


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Cleets and Cid.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVNHcob3oJg[/youtube]

[CID1990]

Wrong.

It isn't about the middle class. It's about the blame for Trump being laid at the feet of the lower classes by their intellectual superiors, and the fact that they're wrong about the demographic

Kinda like you - except you're stuck in some kind of "who's on first" skipping record. Maybe you're just channeling the other irrelevant contrarian troll in this thread: houndawg

Always blame the poor - Jesus man where have you been..?
This is America, we've been blaming the poor since the early days of the Industrial Revolution
Reagan became a Republican Hero blaming the poor

but we digress
Lets talk about all those disenfranchised middle class intellectual Trump Supporters
And how offended they are about _____ X _____ pick a thing I'm ready

Help yourself- I'm not that interested in the middle class

Or the upper class for that matter


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[Chizzang]

Always blame the poor - Jesus man where have you been..?
This is America, we've been blaming the poor since the early days of the Industrial Revolution
Reagan became a Republican Hero blaming the poor

but we digress
Lets talk about all those disenfranchised middle class intellectual Trump Supporters
And how offended they are about _____ X _____ pick a thing I'm ready

Help yourself- I'm not that interested in the middle class

Or the upper class for that matter

Suit yourself... but you're missing out on all this

[Pwns]

I do not know a single college-educated Republican who voted Trump. That includes friends, family, and coworkers. The polls show the same trend as my anecdata. It's not the white middle class that nominated Trump.