I was wrong. Way wrong. Congrats Trump supporters. And 93.

[Ivytalk]

Yet nothing will get done......just like last time

Talking heads last night already bringing up ways Dems can still block things. This after Obama comes out saying Republicans needed to be defeated because of blocking things. You just couldn't write this any better.

McConnell should declare the nuclear option on SCOTUS nominations and ram them up Schumer's raggedy ass.

[GannonFan]

Talking heads last night already bringing up ways Dems can still block things. This after Obama comes out saying Republicans needed to be defeated because of blocking things. You just couldn't write this any better.

McConnell should declare the nuclear option on SCOTUS nominations and ram them up Schumer's raggedy ass.

Yeah, Dems knew that triggering the nuclear option like they did would have to come back and haunt them. So shortsighted. But then again, that's what you got when Reid was in charge of things. He could possibly be the worst Senator of the past 50 years. Him leaving government has to be one of the best outcomes of this election cycle.

[CAA Flagship]

McConnell should declare the nuclear option on SCOTUS nominations and ram them up Schumer's raggedy ass.

Yeah, Dems knew that triggering the nuclear option like they did would have to come back and haunt them. So shortsighted. But then again, that's what you got when Reid was in charge of things. He could possibly be the worst Senator of the past 50 years. Him leaving government has to be one of the best outcomes of this election cycle.

That's hitting below the belt.
What he needs is a poke in the other eye.

[SDHornet]

You weren't the only one who was way wrong Jelly. There's was LOTS of people on here saying things along the lines of:
-Landslide
-Trump is going to get killed, destroyed, etc
-Trump has no chance
-This race is over
-Clinton winning 40 plus states
-Clinton winning by over 10% of the popular vote
-Clinton winning 350, 375 electoral
-We're going to be saying madam president
Etc, etc, etc

Half of those posts were JSO in the Spring-Summer. But also this Summer-Fall on the "Election 2016 Trump v Clinton" thread a double digit # of people on here, heck maybe a majority, were saying things along the same lines- these definitive statements of a lopsided Clinton win..

I fall in this group. I didn't think Trump would be able to beat hilldog, I also didn't think he would pull 34% of the Brown vote. I still generally feel we had two shitty options but we knew what we would get with hilldog and it wouldn't have been good. IMO Trump can be anywhere between Obama levels of awful/incompetence and a good president. We'll see how it turns out.

[DSUrocks07]

You weren't the only one who was way wrong Jelly. There's was LOTS of people on here saying things along the lines of:
-Landslide
-Trump is going to get killed, destroyed, etc
-Trump has no chance
-This race is over
-Clinton winning 40 plus states
-Clinton winning by over 10% of the popular vote
-Clinton winning 350, 375 electoral
-We're going to be saying madam president
Etc, etc, etc

Half of those posts were JSO in the Spring-Summer. But also this Summer-Fall on the "Election 2016 Trump v Clinton" thread a double digit # of people on here, heck maybe a majority, were saying things along the same lines- these definitive statements of a lopsided Clinton win..

I fall in this group. I didn't think Trump would be able to beat hilldog, I also didn't think he would pull 34% of the Brown vote. I still generally feel we had two shitty options but we knew what we would get with hilldog and it wouldn't have been good. IMO Trump can be anywhere between Obama levels of awful/incompetence and a good president. We'll see how it turns out.

You mean Team Brown wasn't a monolithic voting block like Democrats and Latino pundits claimed they were?

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[89Hen]

You mean Team Brown wasn't a monolithic voting block like Democrats and Latino pundits claimed they were?

Not everywhere.

District of Columbia
Clinton - 92.8%
Trump - 4.1%
Johnson - 1.6%

[93henfan]

You weren't the only one who was way wrong Jelly. There's was LOTS of people on here saying things along the lines of:
-Landslide
-Trump is going to get killed, destroyed, etc
-Trump has no chance
-This race is over
-Clinton winning 40 plus states
-Clinton winning by over 10% of the popular vote
-Clinton winning 350, 375 electoral
-We're going to be saying madam president
Etc, etc, etc

Half of those posts were JSO in the Spring-Summer. But also this Summer-Fall on the "Election 2016 Trump v Clinton" thread a double digit # of people on here, heck maybe a majority, were saying things along the same lines- these definitive statements of a lopsided Clinton win..

I fall in this group. I didn't think Trump would be able to beat hilldog, I also didn't think he would pull 34% of the Brown vote. I still generally feel we had two shitty options but we knew what we would get with hilldog and it wouldn't have been good. IMO Trump can be anywhere between Obama levels of awful/incompetence and a good president. We'll see how it turns out.

So let's say Trump does get a physical wall built (with US taxpayer funds undoubtedly) and backs down on deportation claims but institutes some fairly strong immigration reform that does include a path to citizenship for those lucky enough to have hopped the fence in time.

Does he win over Team Brown?

[93henfan]

You mean Team Brown wasn't a monolithic voting block like Democrats and Latino pundits claimed they were?

Not everywhere.

District of Columbia
Clinton - 92.8%
Trump - 4.1%
Johnson - 1.6%

My coworkers. God bless 'em.

[Skjellyfetti]

I think a path to citizenship should be Yuge. I wouldn't have that much of a problem with his immigration stance anymore.

But, the people that just voted for him would lose their minds, no?

[BDKJMU]

I think a path to citizenship should be Yuge. I wouldn't have that much of a problem with his immigration stance anymore.

But, the people that just voted for him would lose their minds, no?

There has always been a pathway to citizenship for those that enter the country legally and don't overstay their visas. Nothing needs to change in that regard.

If you entered the country illegally or overstayed your visa and want to become a citizen. Leave the country, sit out the waiting period, and get in line like everyone else.

[Skjellyfetti]

I think a path to citizenship should be Yuge. I wouldn't have that much of a problem with his immigration stance anymore.

But, the people that just voted for him would lose their minds, no?

There has always been a pathway to citizenship for those that enter the country legally and don't overstay their visas. Nothing needs to change in that regard.

No shit. I'm pretty sure that's not what we're talking about, though?

[93henfan]

I think a path to citizenship should be Yuge. I wouldn't have that much of a problem with his immigration stance anymore.

But, the people that just voted for him would lose their minds, no?

I wouldn't, but most probably would. I mean, you have to do something with these millions of people, right? Physically deporting them and splitting them up from their anchor babies would be prohibitively expensive (likely impossible) and a PR nightmare. So that is out - mass deportation simply can't happen. So you have to figure out how to turn off the flow and deal with the ones who made it through the pipe. You give them a path to citizenship and I think you really shape the demographics for the GOP that have been trending the wrong way for the last couple of decades. Plus you turn them into taxpayers!

[BDKJMU]

There has always been a pathway to citizenship for those that enter the country legally and don't overstay their visas. Nothing needs to change in that regard.

No ****. I'm pretty sure that's not what we're talking about, though?

See my edit: If you entered the country illegally or overstayed your visa and want to become a citizen you can. Leave the country, sit out the waiting period, and get in line like everyone else. Again, nothing needs to change.

[DSUrocks07]

"Compromise"

A dirty word to the left for the last 8 years.

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[SDHornet]

I fall in this group. I didn't think Trump would be able to beat hilldog, I also didn't think he would pull 34% of the Brown vote. I still generally feel we had two shitty options but we knew what we would get with hilldog and it wouldn't have been good. IMO Trump can be anywhere between Obama levels of awful/incompetence and a good president. We'll see how it turns out.

So let's say Trump does get a physical wall built (with US taxpayer funds undoubtedly) and backs down on deportation claims but institutes some fairly strong immigration reform that does include a path to citizenship for those lucky enough to have hopped the fence in time.

Does he win over Team Brown?

IMO pathway to citizenship should do it, wall or no wall. Also need something to address the low wage agribusiness as that sector depends on a constant influx of cheap young labor.

[SDHornet]

I think a path to citizenship should be Yuge. I wouldn't have that much of a problem with his immigration stance anymore.

But, the people that just voted for him would lose their minds, no?

There has always been a pathway to citizenship for those that enter the country legally and don't overstay their visas. Nothing needs to change in that regard.

If you entered the country illegally or overstayed your visa and want to become a citizen. Leave the country, sit out the waiting period, and get in line like everyone else.

Yeah that's not gonna fly, and in a lot of cases not even feasible.

[SDHornet]

I think a path to citizenship should be Yuge. I wouldn't have that much of a problem with his immigration stance anymore.

But, the people that just voted for him would lose their minds, no?

I wouldn't, but most probably would. I mean, you have to do something with these millions of people, right? Physically deporting them and splitting them up from their anchor babies would be prohibitively expensive (likely impossible) and a PR nightmare. So that is out - mass deportation simply can't happen. So you have to figure out how to turn off the flow and deal with the ones who made it through the pipe. You give them a path to citizenship and I think you really shape the demographics for the GOP that have been trending the wrong way for the last couple of decades. Plus you turn them into taxpayers!

Yup. Mass deportations (for the non-violent criminals) isn't going to happen. IMO a wall isn't happening either (cartels run tunnels anyways so a wall is moot). A lot of the illegals are here to better their lives and doing jobs your tpyical American would never do. The beauty of this Trump thing is he is not beholden to the establishment talking points so he can (and should) be able to find common ground among the political group to get some common sense reforms in.

Also nothing would please the left more than to take a BDKKK approach to this issue and prove to everyone that the conks really are racist xenophobes.

[CAA Flagship]

You weren't the only one who was way wrong Jelly. There's was LOTS of people on here saying things along the lines of:
-Landslide
-Trump is going to get killed, destroyed, etc
-Trump has no chance
-This race is over
-Clinton winning 40 plus states
-Clinton winning by over 10% of the popular vote
-Clinton winning 350, 375 electoral
-We're going to be saying madam president
Etc, etc, etc

Half of those posts were JSO in the Spring-Summer. But also this Summer-Fall on the "Election 2016 Trump v Clinton" thread a double digit # of people on here, heck maybe a majority, were saying things along the same lines- these definitive statements of a lopsided Clinton win..

I fall in this group. I didn't think Trump would be able to beat hilldog, I also didn't think he would pull 34% of the Brown vote. I still generally feel we had two shitty options but we knew what we would get with hilldog and it wouldn't have been good. IMO Trump can be anywhere between Obama levels of awful/incompetence and a good president. We'll see how it turns out.

Like this???

[CAA Flagship]

I think a path to citizenship should be Yuge. I wouldn't have that much of a problem with his immigration stance anymore.

But, the people that just voted for him would lose their minds, no?

I wouldn't, but most probably would. I mean, you have to do something with these millions of people, right? Physically deporting them and splitting them up from their anchor babies would be prohibitively expensive (likely impossible) and a PR nightmare. So that is out - mass deportation simply can't happen. So you have to figure out how to turn off the flow and deal with the ones who made it through the pipe. You give them a path to citizenship and I think you really shape the demographics for the GOP that have been trending the wrong way for the last couple of decades. Plus you turn them into taxpayers!

This. Give them a 7 year plan. Stay clean, or get the boot. Learn English, or at least make a solid attempt. Also community service.

[SDHornet]

I wouldn't, but most probably would. I mean, you have to do something with these millions of people, right? Physically deporting them and splitting them up from their anchor babies would be prohibitively expensive (likely impossible) and a PR nightmare. So that is out - mass deportation simply can't happen. So you have to figure out how to turn off the flow and deal with the ones who made it through the pipe. You give them a path to citizenship and I think you really shape the demographics for the GOP that have been trending the wrong way for the last couple of decades. Plus you turn them into taxpayers!

This. Give them a 7 year plan. Stay clean, or get the boot. Learn English, or at least make a solid attempt. Also community service.

Tons of room for negotiations, approaches, and ideas. No reason to not get creative to craft a deal that would be acceptable to a lions share of the stakeholders.

[houndawg]

Don't be so dramatic. America will have it's 45th peaceful transition of power. Last night was such as strong example as to why the Electoral College works. Last night proved that Americans, when faced with a bombastic liar and a corrupt politician, they chose the liar over the corrupt. They weren't the best candidates, but Americans were ready for change. The Democrats weren't. They should've ran Bernie.

Now isn't the time for sour grapes. The Republic Stands. We survived Carter, Bush II and Obama. We'll survive 4 years of Trump.

Bernie would have beat Trump. Stupid donks.

Best part about this is that both party's establishment are....

I tried to warn them a year ago..

[SDHornet]

I fall in this group. I didn't think Trump would be able to beat hilldog, I also didn't think he would pull 34% of the Brown vote. I still generally feel we had two shitty options but we knew what we would get with hilldog and it wouldn't have been good. IMO Trump can be anywhere between Obama levels of awful/incompetence and a good president. We'll see how it turns out.

Like this???

Holy shit. What a fucking moron.

[CAA Flagship]

Like this???

Holy shit. What a fucking moron.

More importantly, there is no score in the Jets - Bills game.

[houndawg]

I wouldn't, but most probably would. I mean, you have to do something with these millions of people, right? Physically deporting them and splitting them up from their anchor babies would be prohibitively expensive (likely impossible) and a PR nightmare. So that is out - mass deportation simply can't happen. So you have to figure out how to turn off the flow and deal with the ones who made it through the pipe. You give them a path to citizenship and I think you really shape the demographics for the GOP that have been trending the wrong way for the last couple of decades. Plus you turn them into taxpayers!

Yup. Mass deportations (for the non-violent criminals) isn't going to happen. IMO a wall isn't happening either (cartels run tunnels anyways so a wall is moot). A lot of the illegals are here to better their lives and doing jobs your tpyical American would never do. The beauty of this Trump thing is he is not beholden to the establishment talking points so he can (and should) be able to find common ground among the political group to get some common sense reforms in.

Also nothing would please the left more than to take a BDKKK approach to this issue and prove to everyone that the conks really are racist xenophobes.

Thats been established at least since the Southern Strategy. You'll be seeing an increase in hate crimes and police shootings.

[SDHornet]

Yup. Mass deportations (for the non-violent criminals) isn't going to happen. IMO a wall isn't happening either (cartels run tunnels anyways so a wall is moot). A lot of the illegals are here to better their lives and doing jobs your tpyical American would never do. The beauty of this Trump thing is he is not beholden to the establishment talking points so he can (and should) be able to find common ground among the political group to get some common sense reforms in.

Also nothing would please the left more than to take a BDKKK approach to this issue and prove to everyone that the conks really are racist xenophobes.

Thats been established at least since the Southern Strategy. You'll be seeing an increase in hate crimes and police shootings.

Statistically speaking whites are more likely to get shot by the cops vs blacks sssoooo.....