Thankful for SCOTUS

[89Hen]

Jesus Christ kalm, just stop. It's gotten to the point where I'm embarrassed for you.

[kalm]

Jesus Christ kalm, just stop. It's gotten to the point where I'm embarrassed for you.

Why? Hillary is a liberal because of a few pandering campaign promises and she has a D behind her name?

Labels are always interesting things. Some would hesitate to call GWB a conservative based on his spending, medicare part D, home ownership society, and nation building...but I digress...

[Ibanez]

Center Right? There's not Center Right about Clinton; she's firmly on the Left.

I can't believe this is even up for debate.

We've been through this before...just off the top of my head and I know there are more examples...

Neo-conservative on foreign policy...
Defender of Wall Street...
Against legalization of weed...
Believes Snowden is a traitor...
Security State...

Yeah...what a lib!

And yes...she's not the only one. Chuck Schumer is a Wall Street shill as well. The Democrats had to go after big money as the unions declined.

And yes...she pivoted to the left on free college education and paid lip service to a few other Bernie ideas but as we found out with Obama...most of the liberal campaign promises are "Hope" (in one hand).

Maybe we're watching the Republicans and Democrats return to their original party platforms.

[kalm]

We've been through this before...just off the top of my head and I know there are more examples...

Neo-conservative on foreign policy...
Defender of Wall Street...
Against legalization of weed...
Believes Snowden is a traitor...
Security State...

Yeah...what a lib!

And yes...she's not the only one. Chuck Schumer is a Wall Street shill as well. The Democrats had to go after big money as the unions declined.

And yes...she pivoted to the left on free college education and paid lip service to a few other Bernie ideas but as we found out with Obama...most of the liberal campaign promises are "Hope" (in one hand).

Maybe we're watching the Republicans and Democrats return to their original party platforms.

Works for JSO...

[CID1990]

I AM happy that Hillary won't be appointing any justices to SCOTUS. Klam's at least partially correct about her but I'm not so sure she'd appoint anything other than a "living document" activist like he husband did.

I'm also not sure that Trump will appoint someone I agree with, but I'd say it's a much better chance he'd appoint an originalist than Hillary.

[89Hen]

Jesus Christ kalm, just stop. It's gotten to the point where I'm embarrassed for you.

Why? Hillary is a liberal because of a few pandering campaign promises and she has a D behind her name?

Labels are always interesting things. Some would hesitate to call GWB a conservative based on his spending, medicare part D, home ownership society, and nation building...but I digress...

She is not right of center, Bill was not right of center, his SCOTUS appointees were not right of center.

/discussion

[kalm]

I AM happy that Hillary won't be appointing any justices to SCOTUS. Klam's at least partially correct about her but I'm not so sure she'd appoint anything other than a "living document" activist like he husband did.

I'm also not sure that Trump will appoint someone I agree with, but I'd say it's a much better chance he'd appoint an originalist than Hillary.

That's reasonable and I agree.

[Vidav]

Why? Hillary is a liberal because of a few pandering campaign promises and she has a D behind her name?

Labels are always interesting things. Some would hesitate to call GWB a conservative based on his spending, medicare part D, home ownership society, and nation building...but I digress...

She is not right of center, Bill was not right of center, his SCOTUS appointees were not right of center.

/discussion

No one claimed they were.

[Baldy]

Center Right? There's not Center Right about Clinton; she's firmly on the Left.

I can't believe this is even up for debate.

We've been through this before...just off the top of my head and I know there are more examples...

Neo-conservative on foreign policy...
Defender of Wall Street...
Against legalization of weed...
Believes Snowden is a traitor...
Security State...

Yeah...what a lib!

And yes...she's not the only one. Chuck Schumer is a Wall Street shill as well. The Democrats had to go after big money as the unions declined.

And yes...she pivoted to the left on free college education and paid lip service to a few other Bernie ideas but as we found out with Obama...most of the liberal campaign promises are "Hope" (in one hand).

Hillary Clinton Was Liberal. Hillary Clinton Is Liberal.

A bunch of reporters have recently discovered a shocking truth: Hillary Clinton is liberal! (I heard a rumor that Columbo has been helping with the investigation.)

We’ve gotten this raft of “Clinton is liberal” exposés as Clinton has revved up her 2016 campaign, speaking out in support of gay marriage, a pathway to citizenship for immigrants in the U.S. illegally, and criminal justice reform. But what many of these articles miss is that Clinton has always been, by most measures, pretty far to the left. When she’s shifted positions, it has been in concert with the entire Democratic Party.

To see how these different issues fit together to form an overall political ideology, we usually use three metrics: one based on congressional voting record, one based on public statements and one based on fundraising.

Hillary Clinton and the 2016 Democrats: Mostly Liberal, Together

Among seven potential Democratic presidential contenders, Hillary Clinton is the overwhelming favorite — and the third-most liberal candidate. How the other candidates are arrayed on an ideological spectrum could make her run for the White House easier than the last time out.

In some ways, the cast of candidates for 2016 resembles the group from the 2008 race, with a field of stalwartly liberal politicians. Mrs. Clinton was slightly more liberal in 2008 than now, according to Crowdpac, which scores politicians on a left-right scale of -10 to 10. (Crowdpac bases this mainly on campaign contributions, but also on votes and speeches.) Her problem was that Barack Obama, who was further to the left of her — at -7.8 to her -6.9 — also had the donors who were to the left of her. He ran a better campaign, particularly in Iowa, and benefited from a surge in money from small-dollar donors.

This time, Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts (-8.2) and Bernie Sanders (-8.3), Vermont’s independent senator, are to her left. Ms. Warren has the higher fund-raising profile of the two, with a leadership PAC that raised more than $2 million during the 2014 election cycle. But she and Mrs. Clinton (and to a lesser extent Mr. Sanders) would be competing for a similar pool of donors. During her 2012 Senate race, Ms. Warren raised more than $3.4 million from individuals who also gave to Mrs. Clinton's presidential campaign, Federal Election Commission data shows.

Hillary Clinton On The Issues
HARD CORE LIBERAL


The Senate Votes That Divided Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders

Hillary Rodham Clinton is a liberal Democrat on domestic matters, and Bernie Sanders is a socialist. They voted the same way 93 percent of the time in the two years they shared in the Senate.

In fact, from January 2007 to January 2009, Mrs. Clinton, representing New York, voted with Mr. Sanders about as often as she did with the like-minded Democrats Ron Wyden of Oregon and Barbara Mikulski of Maryland.

Hillary Clinton Is A Progressive Democrat, Despite What You May Have Heard

Bernie Sanders has said that Hillary Clinton is not a “true progressive” and many of his supporters seem to agree. It’s one reason that Sanders keeps performing well in primaries and caucuses, prolonging the campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination.

But whether that assessment of Clinton is accurate depends entirely on what it means to be a true progressive nowadays.

Does it mean voting like Sanders has, and embracing his agenda? Or does it simply mean consistently pushing for policies that would significantly advance progressive causes, like a fairer economy and a cleaner environment?

By the first definition, Clinton clearly doesn’t qualify as a progressive.

By the second, she clearly does.

kalm, Please.Stop.

[89Hen]

She is not right of center, Bill was not right of center, his SCOTUS appointees were not right of center.

/discussion

No one claimed they were.

Because I think Hillary is center right (similar to her husband) and would have made appointments along those lines

[Ivytalk]

No one claimed they were.

Because I think Hillary is center right (similar to her husband) and would have made appointments along those lines

Nobody bullshyts 89Hen and gets away with it!

[kalm]

Nobody bullshyts 89Hen and gets away with it!

Classic 89 cut and paste.

You two know I explained that and even owned it to a certain degree.

What a pair of dicks....

[SDHornet]

I think the only escape route for kalm is to claim the whole thing is nuanced and then just not post in this thread again. Let's see if he takes that out from this beating...

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

We've been through this before...just off the top of my head and I know there are more examples...

Neo-conservative on foreign policy...
Defender of Wall Street...
Against legalization of weed...
Believes Snowden is a traitor...
Security State...

Yeah...what a lib!

And yes...she's not the only one. Chuck Schumer is a Wall Street shill as well. The Democrats had to go after big money as the unions declined.

And yes...she pivoted to the left on free college education and paid lip service to a few other Bernie ideas but as we found out with Obama...most of the liberal campaign promises are "Hope" (in one hand).

Hillary Clinton Was Liberal. Hillary Clinton Is Liberal.

A bunch of reporters have recently discovered a shocking truth: Hillary Clinton is liberal! (I heard a rumor that Columbo has been helping with the investigation.)

We’ve gotten this raft of “Clinton is liberal” exposés as Clinton has revved up her 2016 campaign, speaking out in support of gay marriage, a pathway to citizenship for immigrants in the U.S. illegally, and criminal justice reform. But what many of these articles miss is that Clinton has always been, by most measures, pretty far to the left. When she’s shifted positions, it has been in concert with the entire Democratic Party.

To see how these different issues fit together to form an overall political ideology, we usually use three metrics: one based on congressional voting record, one based on public statements and one based on fundraising.

Hillary Clinton and the 2016 Democrats: Mostly Liberal, Together

Among seven potential Democratic presidential contenders, Hillary Clinton is the overwhelming favorite — and the third-most liberal candidate. How the other candidates are arrayed on an ideological spectrum could make her run for the White House easier than the last time out.

In some ways, the cast of candidates for 2016 resembles the group from the 2008 race, with a field of stalwartly liberal politicians. Mrs. Clinton was slightly more liberal in 2008 than now, according to Crowdpac, which scores politicians on a left-right scale of -10 to 10. (Crowdpac bases this mainly on campaign contributions, but also on votes and speeches.) Her problem was that Barack Obama, who was further to the left of her — at -7.8 to her -6.9 — also had the donors who were to the left of her. He ran a better campaign, particularly in Iowa, and benefited from a surge in money from small-dollar donors.

This time, Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts (-8.2) and Bernie Sanders (-8.3), Vermont’s independent senator, are to her left. Ms. Warren has the higher fund-raising profile of the two, with a leadership PAC that raised more than $2 million during the 2014 election cycle. But she and Mrs. Clinton (and to a lesser extent Mr. Sanders) would be competing for a similar pool of donors. During her 2012 Senate race, Ms. Warren raised more than $3.4 million from individuals who also gave to Mrs. Clinton's presidential campaign, Federal Election Commission data shows.

Hillary Clinton On The Issues
HARD CORE LIBERAL


The Senate Votes That Divided Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders

Hillary Rodham Clinton is a liberal Democrat on domestic matters, and Bernie Sanders is a socialist. They voted the same way 93 percent of the time in the two years they shared in the Senate.

In fact, from January 2007 to January 2009, Mrs. Clinton, representing New York, voted with Mr. Sanders about as often as she did with the like-minded Democrats Ron Wyden of Oregon and Barbara Mikulski of Maryland.

Hillary Clinton Is A Progressive Democrat, Despite What You May Have Heard

Bernie Sanders has said that Hillary Clinton is not a “true progressive” and many of his supporters seem to agree. It’s one reason that Sanders keeps performing well in primaries and caucuses, prolonging the campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination.

But whether that assessment of Clinton is accurate depends entirely on what it means to be a true progressive nowadays.

Does it mean voting like Sanders has, and embracing his agenda? Or does it simply mean consistently pushing for policies that would significantly advance progressive causes, like a fairer economy and a cleaner environment?

By the first definition, Clinton clearly doesn’t qualify as a progressive.

By the second, she clearly does.

kalm, Please.Stop.

Baldy just took kalms other ball and went home..................#owned

[Ivytalk]

Nobody bullshyts 89Hen and gets away with it!

Classic 89 cut and paste.

You two know I explained that and even owned it to a certain degree.

What a pair of dicks....

"The butthurt is strong with this one!"

Yup, "owned it" to the degree of trying to get the last word on every picayune point in this thread!

[kalm]

We've been through this before...just off the top of my head and I know there are more examples...

Neo-conservative on foreign policy...
Defender of Wall Street...
Against legalization of weed...
Believes Snowden is a traitor...
Security State...

Yeah...what a lib!

And yes...she's not the only one. Chuck Schumer is a Wall Street shill as well. The Democrats had to go after big money as the unions declined.

And yes...she pivoted to the left on free college education and paid lip service to a few other Bernie ideas but as we found out with Obama...most of the liberal campaign promises are "Hope" (in one hand).

Hillary Clinton Was Liberal. Hillary Clinton Is Liberal.

A bunch of reporters have recently discovered a shocking truth: Hillary Clinton is liberal! (I heard a rumor that Columbo has been helping with the investigation.)

We’ve gotten this raft of “Clinton is liberal” exposés as Clinton has revved up her 2016 campaign, speaking out in support of gay marriage, a pathway to citizenship for immigrants in the U.S. illegally, and criminal justice reform. But what many of these articles miss is that Clinton has always been, by most measures, pretty far to the left. When she’s shifted positions, it has been in concert with the entire Democratic Party.

To see how these different issues fit together to form an overall political ideology, we usually use three metrics: one based on congressional voting record, one based on public statements and one based on fundraising.

Hillary Clinton and the 2016 Democrats: Mostly Liberal, Together

Among seven potential Democratic presidential contenders, Hillary Clinton is the overwhelming favorite — and the third-most liberal candidate. How the other candidates are arrayed on an ideological spectrum could make her run for the White House easier than the last time out.

In some ways, the cast of candidates for 2016 resembles the group from the 2008 race, with a field of stalwartly liberal politicians. Mrs. Clinton was slightly more liberal in 2008 than now, according to Crowdpac, which scores politicians on a left-right scale of -10 to 10. (Crowdpac bases this mainly on campaign contributions, but also on votes and speeches.) Her problem was that Barack Obama, who was further to the left of her — at -7.8 to her -6.9 — also had the donors who were to the left of her. He ran a better campaign, particularly in Iowa, and benefited from a surge in money from small-dollar donors.

This time, Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts (-8.2) and Bernie Sanders (-8.3), Vermont’s independent senator, are to her left. Ms. Warren has the higher fund-raising profile of the two, with a leadership PAC that raised more than $2 million during the 2014 election cycle. But she and Mrs. Clinton (and to a lesser extent Mr. Sanders) would be competing for a similar pool of donors. During her 2012 Senate race, Ms. Warren raised more than $3.4 million from individuals who also gave to Mrs. Clinton's presidential campaign, Federal Election Commission data shows.

Hillary Clinton On The Issues
HARD CORE LIBERAL


The Senate Votes That Divided Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders

Hillary Rodham Clinton is a liberal Democrat on domestic matters, and Bernie Sanders is a socialist. They voted the same way 93 percent of the time in the two years they shared in the Senate.

In fact, from January 2007 to January 2009, Mrs. Clinton, representing New York, voted with Mr. Sanders about as often as she did with the like-minded Democrats Ron Wyden of Oregon and Barbara Mikulski of Maryland.

Hillary Clinton Is A Progressive Democrat, Despite What You May Have Heard

Bernie Sanders has said that Hillary Clinton is not a “true progressive” and many of his supporters seem to agree. It’s one reason that Sanders keeps performing well in primaries and caucuses, prolonging the campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination.

But whether that assessment of Clinton is accurate depends entirely on what it means to be a true progressive nowadays.

Does it mean voting like Sanders has, and embracing his agenda? Or does it simply mean consistently pushing for policies that would significantly advance progressive causes, like a fairer economy and a cleaner environment?

By the first definition, Clinton clearly doesn’t qualify as a progressive.

By the second, she clearly does.

kalm, Please.Stop.

Finally...somebody at least makes a decent effort supported by facts. I'll look at this stiff in awhile and reply when I get chance.

Thanks, Baldy!

[Ivytalk]

Hillary Clinton Was Liberal. Hillary Clinton Is Liberal.


Hillary Clinton and the 2016 Democrats: Mostly Liberal, Together


Hillary Clinton On The Issues
HARD CORE LIBERAL


The Senate Votes That Divided Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders


Hillary Clinton Is A Progressive Democrat, Despite What You May Have Heard


kalm, Please.Stop.

Finally...somebody at least makes a decent effort supported by facts. I'll look at this stiff in awhile and reply when I get chance.

Thanks, Baldy!

While you're at it, please come up with a rational response to my analysis of the ideological composition of SCOTUS that I posted a few pages ago.

[Ibanez]

Hillary Clinton Was Liberal. Hillary Clinton Is Liberal.


Hillary Clinton and the 2016 Democrats: Mostly Liberal, Together


Hillary Clinton On The Issues
HARD CORE LIBERAL


The Senate Votes That Divided Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders


Hillary Clinton Is A Progressive Democrat, Despite What You May Have Heard


kalm, Please.Stop.

Finally...somebody at least makes a decent effort supported by facts. I'll look at this stiff in awhile and reply when I get chance.

Thanks, Baldy!

It's nuanced.

[Baldy]

Baldy just took kalms other ball and went home..................#owned

[houndawg]

Why? Hillary is a liberal because of a few pandering campaign promises and she has a D behind her name?

Labels are always interesting things. Some would hesitate to call GWB a conservative based on his spending, medicare part D, home ownership society, and nation building...but I digress...

She is not right of center, Bill was not right of center, his SCOTUS appointees were not right of center.

/discussion

Bullshit. She's to the right of Eisenhower.

[kalm]

Finally...somebody at least makes a decent effort supported by facts. I'll look at this stiff in awhile and reply when I get chance.

Thanks, Baldy!

While you're at it, please come up with a rational response to my analysis of the ideological composition of SCOTUS that I posted a few pages ago.

I did. It went something like this...

[CAA Flagship]

Damn. There seems to be a gluten-free bonfire going on here.

[Ivytalk]

While you're at it, please come up with a rational response to my analysis of the ideological composition of SCOTUS that I posted a few pages ago.

I did. It went something like this...

Ha. Good one.

[YoUDeeMan]

That hole is 6.93 feet deep...anyone want to guess who the genius is that dug it?

[Ivytalk]

That hole is 6.93 feet deep...anyone want to guess who the genius is that dug it?

I dunno, but he's wearing klamdiggers.