Trump Care

[kalm]

We do. The libs don't care about it unless you agree with them.

I see...

That's a smug prick version of "do they".

[CID1990]

It's a tougher question than you might think. First, the Libertarians -- locally and nationally -- suffer from what I call the "Wayne's World Syndrome": candidates and party officials who generally still live in their parents' basements and waste time talking about stupid theoretical shyt. Second, in DE, we have closed primaries (which is fine with me, philosophically)), so if I switch to Independent, I lose the ability to vote for a pro-liberty candidate in the GOP primary. The Democrats are totally hopeless on that score.

I enjoy how conservatives hilariously think they own Liberty

they talk about it

vs liberals who think it means we'll all die of klan membership or something

I'm starting to find common cause with the anarchists

BTW watch this video it's so full of awesome, and it is totally not related to this thread

or is it

https://youtu.be/0X1xOKMKX80




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[Chizzang]

I enjoy how conservatives hilariously think they own Liberty

they talk about it

vs liberals who think it means we'll all die of klan membership or something

I'm starting to find common cause with the anarchists

BTW watch this video it's so full of awesome, and it is totally not related to this thread

or is it

https://youtu.be/0X1xOKMKX80

Your obsession with the South is duly noted
Way over here in the upper left hand corner nobody gives a flying frog sh!t
about confederate flags or Dixie or Sherman burning down Atlanta or the South rising again

When I do I hear people talking about Southern States
It's more about States rights being code for restriction of rights
Like Women's healthcare and fighting for bible quotes on federal buildings
or taking science out of high school science books
Marijuana being a Class 1 narcotic in Southern States
or the Falcons blowing a 25 point lead in the Super Bowl

But never a word about Dixie...
or the Clan or KKK
(nuthin' but silence there)

[Ibanez]

they talk about it

vs liberals who think it means we'll all die of klan membership or something

I'm starting to find common cause with the anarchists

BTW watch this video it's so full of awesome, and it is totally not related to this thread

or is it

https://youtu.be/0X1xOKMKX80

Your obsession with the South is duly noted
Way over here in the upper left hand corner nobody gives a flying frog sh!t
about confederate flags or Dixie or Sherman burning down Atlanta or the South rising again

When I do I hear people talking about Southern States
It's more about States rights being code for restriction of rights
Like Women's healthcare and fighting for bible quotes on federal buildings
or taking science out of high school science books
Marijuana being a Class 1 narcotic in Southern States
or the Falcons blowing a 25 point lead in the Super Bowl

But never a word about Dixie...
or the Clan or KKK
(nuthin' but silence there)

Interesting. Over here we constantly hear about how star-spangled awesome the West is. How Portland is the new Mecca for Liberals and how all of us in the south are mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging racists.

Btw, the Clan and KKK are the same thing.


And it's "Klan"


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[Chizzang]

Your obsession with the South is duly noted
Way over here in the upper left hand corner nobody gives a flying frog sh!t
about confederate flags or Dixie or Sherman burning down Atlanta or the South rising again

When I do I hear people talking about Southern States
It's more about States rights being code for restriction of rights
Like Women's healthcare and fighting for bible quotes on federal buildings
or taking science out of high school science books
Marijuana being a Class 1 narcotic in Southern States
or the Falcons blowing a 25 point lead in the Super Bowl

But never a word about Dixie...
or the Clan or KKK
(nuthin' but silence there)

Interesting. Over here we constantly hear about how star-spangled awesome the West is. How Portland is the new Mecca for Liberals and how all of us in the south are mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging racists.

Btw, the Clan and KKK are the same thing.


And it's "Klan"

Clan Klan KKK whatever...



And to me Portland is a place where kids with giant ear holes and face tattoos serve me my coffee...

[CID1990]

they talk about it

vs liberals who think it means we'll all die of klan membership or something

I'm starting to find common cause with the anarchists

BTW watch this video it's so full of awesome, and it is totally not related to this thread

or is it

https://youtu.be/0X1xOKMKX80

Your obsession with the South is duly noted
Way over here in the upper left hand corner nobody gives a flying frog sh!t
about confederate flags or Dixie or Sherman burning down Atlanta or the South rising again

When I do I hear people talking about Southern States
It's more about States rights being code for restriction of rights
Like Women's healthcare and fighting for bible quotes on federal buildings
or taking science out of high school science books
Marijuana being a Class 1 narcotic in Southern States
or the Falcons blowing a 25 point lead in the Super Bowl

But never a word about Dixie...
or the Clan or KKK
(nuthin' but silence there)

You missed the point

(But I'll give you a pass since it does sound like I was talking about the south)

But that wasn't what I was getting at. Liberty is something that Republicans talk about while they are enacting new and various ways to take it away

Democrats hear "the liberty to keep Jon and blacks from voting" when they hear the word liberty, and they also enact new and various ways to remove it

The GOP are the real hypocrites here

As for the video, I'm not interested in what the woman was agitated about - I'm interested in how she started a confrontation and made an ass of herself and then panicked and hyperventilated when the store dude pushed back.

It was another take on "talking the talk" without "walking the walk"

[DSUrocks07]

The problem is that Democrats and Republicans both believe that "liberty and freedom" is a zero sum game, in that to increase liberty you have to remove it from somewhere else.

[Ibanez]

A bill passed by U.S. House Republicans would cause 23 million people to lose healthcare coverage by 2026 while de-stabilizing health insurance markets in some states and making it hard for sick people to buy insurance, a budget watchdog agency said on Wednesday.

The Congressional Budget Office, a non-partisan group of experts who analyze U.S. legislation, said the bill would reduce federal deficits by $119 billion between 2017 and 2026.

Trigger: Fake News Source

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-h ... SKBN18K2X2

[Chizzang]

I still don't see why 23 million people "losing healthcare" is a problem...
and I'm not being sarcastic or smug

As CID once said: You can't have everything
we can't simultaneously be the world police and have healthcare and lower taxes and build infrastructure

Somthin' gotta go

[CAA Flagship]

I still don't see why 23 million people "losing healthcare" is a problem...
and I'm not being sarcastic or smug

As CID once said: You can't have everything
we can't simultaneously be the world police and have healthcare and lower taxes and build infrastructure

Somthin' gotta go

Healthcare is a human right.

Water and food is next. Food stamps for all!!!!!!!!!

[BDKJMU]

A bill passed by U.S. House Republicans would cause 23 million people to lose healthcare coverage by 2026 while de-stabilizing health insurance markets in some states and making it hard for sick people to buy insurance, a budget watchdog agency said on Wednesday.

The Congressional Budget Office, a non-partisan group of experts who analyze U.S. legislation, said the bill would reduce federal deficits by $119 billion between 2017 and 2026.

Trigger: Fake News Source

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-h ... SKBN18K2X2

CBO isn't saying 23 who million people who have coverage NOW will lose it. They are assuming that millions of people who don’t have coverage now will have gained coverage under Obamacare by 2026, as if Obamacare won't continue to collapse. And remember, this is the same CBO who said in 2010 that by 2016 the exchanges would have 21 million enrollees. They ended up having about 10 million.

"...CBO on the other hand believes that, due to the AHCA’s repeal of the individual mandate, 14 million people would choose to go uninsured in 2018, and 16 million in 2019. Of the 14 million accounted for in the 2018 figure, 6 million would drop out of the individual market, 5 million from Medicaid, and 2 million from employer-based coverage.

Remember that Medicaid is basically free to the eligible enrollee. There are no premiums, and almost no co-pays or deductibles. The value of the Obamacare Medicaid subsidy is about $6,000 per enrollee per year. And yet, CBO believes that 5 million people will only enroll in Medicaid because the individual mandate forces them to. Given the difficulties in enforcing the mandate for low-income populations, this is highly unlikely.

Furthermore, CBO’s view that 6 million people in 2018 will be driven to enroll by the mandate means that of the 26 million 2018 enrollees in the individual market, nearly a quarter will be signing up primarily because of the mandate. That contradicts the real-world experience of insurers and actuaries, who say that the real proportion is closer to 5 percent.

CBO believes that Medicaid expansion will reach nearly every state

A key part of the CBO’s March 2016 baseline is an assumption that most of the states that have yet to expand Medicaid under Obamacare will soon do so. Hence, the House GOP plan will reduce coverage by 5 million people in the future, from states that have yet to expand Medicaid. Leaving aside the inherent subjectivity of this projection, there’s plenty of reason to believe that the CBO is wrong.

The states that haven’t expanded Medicaid have done so because they are concerned about exposing their taxpayers to significant and growing liabilities that the federal government may back away from over time. Those liabilities aren’t getting smaller as time goes forward, but larger. It’s equally, if not more likely, that Medicaid expansion in new states accounts for fewer than 2 million more enrollees by 2026.

CBO coverage estimates could be off by as much as 19 million

You add all that up—7 million off on future exchange enrollment, around 9 million off on the individual mandate’s power, and 3 million off on future Medicaid expansions—the CBO’s estimate of the impact of the AHCA on coverage is off by around 19 million, and that the real impact of the AHCA on coverage is negative 5 million. (The actual effect could be larger or smaller, based on the interaction of the various factors I describe above.)...."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothec ... 51e765951e