US Navy Fires Captain "Matilda Brownweisser -90"

[dbackjon]

It is one major difference between the left and the right. The left wants to help people less fortunate and can imagine the circumstances that left the person struggling. The right can only understand a problem when it directly affects them

Jon,
God knows I love you man
But that ^ is not actually true
If it were true Liberals would likely contribute MORE to Charity than Conservatives
Most studies (excluding cherry picked) it's about the same across the board

All people want to help people

Link?

Define Charity. Contributing $500 to Pat Robertson may meet the official IRS definition, but it is not charity.

Also, charity is far more that $$ given. Voting, etc to affect permanent change is more charitable that writing a check to get the tax deduction.

[dbackjon]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/navy-bodies-fo ... d=49353559

Bodies of some of the 10 missing sailors have been found in flooded compartments of the USS John S. McCain, a Navy destroyer that collided with a commercial vessel east of Singapore early Monday morning, the U.S. Navy said.

Ten sailors have been missing since the collision, and the remains of some were found by divers performing recovery operations inside the ship, Adm. Scott Swift, the commander of U.S. Pacific Fleet, said in a statement.

Remains that may belong to another sailor missing from the McCain were found by the Royal Malaysian Navy as it assisted the U.S. in waters east of the Straits of Malacca and Singapore, Swift said.

[AZGrizFan]

Jon,
God knows I love you man
But that ^ is not actually true
If it were true Liberals would likely contribute MORE to Charity than Conservatives
Most studies (excluding cherry picked) it's about the same across the board

All people want to help people

Link?

Define Charity. Contributing $500 to Pat Robertson may meet the official IRS definition, but it is not charity.

Also, charity is far more that $$ given. Voting, etc to affect permanent change is more charitable that writing a check to get the tax deduction.

Another big difference between liberals and conservatives...you fuckwads are arrogant enough to think that YOU should determine where I donate my time, energy and money and that YOU should unilaterally get to determine what IS and is NOT a "charity".

[dbackjon]

Link?

Define Charity. Contributing $500 to Pat Robertson may meet the official IRS definition, but it is not charity.

Also, charity is far more that $$ given. Voting, etc to affect permanent change is more charitable that writing a check to get the tax deduction.

Another big difference between liberals and conservatives...you fuckwads are arrogant enough to think that YOU should determine where I donate my time, energy and money and that YOU should unilaterally get to determine what IS and is NOT a "charity".

[AZGrizFan]

That Snickers doesn't have the right name on it. Besides, unlike you, I don't like other peoples' nuts.

I prefer Milky Way.

[dbackjon]

That Snickers doesn't have the right name on it. Besides, unlike you, I don't like other peoples' nuts.

I prefer Milky Way.

I would think this would be your choice

[dbackjon]

That Snickers doesn't have the right name on it. Besides, unlike you, I don't like other peoples' nuts.

I prefer Milky Way.

I would think this would be your choice

[kalm]

That Snickers doesn't have the right name on it. Besides, unlike you, I don't like other peoples' nuts.

I prefer Milky Way.

Gross!

[expandspanos]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/navy-bodies-fo ... d=49353559

Bodies of some of the 10 missing sailors have been found in flooded compartments of the USS John S. McCain, a Navy destroyer that collided with a commercial vessel east of Singapore early Monday morning, the U.S. Navy said.

Ten sailors have been missing since the collision, and the remains of some were found by divers performing recovery operations inside the ship, Adm. Scott Swift, the commander of U.S. Pacific Fleet, said in a statement.

Remains that may belong to another sailor missing from the McCain were found by the Royal Malaysian Navy as it assisted the U.S. in waters east of the Straits of Malacca and Singapore, Swift said.

That's very tragic news to hear.

Hope in the future, these types of accidents can be avoided and serious, fundamental changes are implemented in the 7th fleet and rest of the Navy to assure this type of thing doesn't happen again. Something is systemically wrong and they need to get to the bottom of it.

Anyway, RIP to all those who were lost. When I wrote the thread I wasn't aware 10 people had died.

[Chizzang]

Jon,
God knows I love you man
But that ^ is not actually true
If it were true Liberals would likely contribute MORE to Charity than Conservatives
Most studies (excluding cherry picked) it's about the same across the board

All people want to help people

Link?

Define Charity. Contributing $500 to Pat Robertson may meet the official IRS definition, but it is not charity.

Also, charity is far more that $$ given. Voting, etc to affect permanent change is more charitable that writing a check to get the tax deduction.

Jon,
I of course agree that donating to TV evangelists isn't charity
But it is technically of course

To your point, I'm not going to exclude half of the people in America as assholes
because they disagree with me

[Pwns]

Meh, this is CS.com. We discuss serious things seriously but there is practically nothing that can't be joked about at any time.

[AZGrizFan]

My guess is there is beginning to be too high of a reliance on technology and less on looking out the fucking window of the bridge and actually SEEING what's out there and what's going on. I've spent countless hours on the bridge (albeit, thankfully, never in a situation as heavily trafficked as this), and there are times you need to get your head out of the radar screen and actually LOOK. I'm guessing that's part of the problem.

And yes...if the fleet commander and/or CINCPACFLT make it through the end of the month I'll be surprised.

[CID1990]

My guess is there is beginning to be too high of a reliance on technology and less on looking out the **** window of the bridge and actually SEEING what's out there and what's going on. I've spent countless hours on the bridge (albeit, thankfully, never in a situation as heavily trafficked as this), and there are times you need to get your head out of the radar screen and actually LOOK. I'm guessing that's part of the problem.

And yes...if the fleet commander and/or CINCPACFLT make it through the end of the month I'll be surprised.

I am wondering about that as well - most helm systems today are largely automated - but touching another ship or running aground is something you do when you absolutely dont want to be in the Navy any more (and possibly want to go to Leavenworth)

Occam's Razor - your assessment is probably right

but these all happened in a very suspicious part of the world... it definitely makes me go hmm




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[AZGrizFan]

My guess is there is beginning to be too high of a reliance on technology and less on looking out the **** window of the bridge and actually SEEING what's out there and what's going on. I've spent countless hours on the bridge (albeit, thankfully, never in a situation as heavily trafficked as this), and there are times you need to get your head out of the radar screen and actually LOOK. I'm guessing that's part of the problem.

And yes...if the fleet commander and/or CINCPACFLT make it through the end of the month I'll be surprised.

I am wondering about that as well - most helm systems today are largely automated - but touching another ship or running aground is something you do when you absolutely dont want to be in the Navy any more (and possibly want to go to Leavenworth)

Occam's Razor - your assessment is probably right

but these all happened in a very suspicious part of the world... it definitely makes me go hmm




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Agreed. Commercial shipping is heavily automated, to the point where we were told to just steer well clear of any commercial shipping because the automated systems might not react the way a human would...Naval ship driving is not automated, as there's a human presence (several humans) 24/7 when underway, but there's lots of dependence on electronics--maybe too much dependence....could these ships have been hacked? Honestly, at this point I wouldn't rule anything out...

[AZGrizFan]

My guess is there is beginning to be too high of a reliance on technology and less on looking out the fucking window of the bridge and actually SEEING what's out there and what's going on. I've spent countless hours on the bridge (albeit, thankfully, never in a situation as heavily trafficked as this), and there are times you need to get your head out of the radar screen and actually LOOK. I'm guessing that's part of the problem.

And yes...if the fleet commander and/or CINCPACFLT make it through the end of the month I'll be surprised.

And there it is: 7th Fleet commander relieved of duty.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/08/22/he ... cific.html

The U.S. Navy will relieve the commander of its 7th Fleet from duty after the fleet suffered its second deadly mishap in less than three months, a U.S. defense official confirmed to Fox News.

An official statement from the Navy regarding the relief of Vice Adm. Joseph Aucoin was expected late Tuesday night. The decision was first reported by the Wall Street Journal.

The 7th Fleet has been involved in three collisions since January, the last two of which have resulted in the deaths of 17 sailors.

In the latest mishap, the USS John S. McCain collided with an oil tanker before dawn Monday near Singapore. Ten sailors were reported missing, but officials confirmed Tuesday that Navy divers had found the remains of some sailors in a flooded compartment.

[SDHornet]

Condolences to those that lost loved ones. Pretty embarrassing for the Navy. I'm actually hoping their systems have been hacked and they aren't really this incompetent.

Tin foil hat spin: McCain opposed the Obamacare repeal and so Trump ordered the USS McCain to ram into another vessel as a "shot across the bow" if you will of the living John McCain. Spandos can you get on board with this conspiracy? Any youtube vids out about this yet?

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Jon,
It is "The Human Condition"
It's our default nature

It is one major difference between the left and the right. The left wants to help people less fortunate and can imagine the circumstances that left the person struggling. The right can only understand a problem when it directly affects them

The left preys on the less fortunate for political and social advancement. The liberal left is the most violent, hateful group in the USA

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[dbackjon]

It is one major difference between the left and the right. The left wants to help people less fortunate and can imagine the circumstances that left the person struggling. The right can only understand a problem when it directly affects them

The left preys on the less fortunate for political and social advancement. The liberal left is the most violent, hateful group in the USA

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[houndawg]

Condolences to those that lost loved ones. Pretty embarrassing for the Navy. I'm actually hoping their systems have been hacked and they aren't really this incompetent.

Tin foil hat spin: McCain opposed the Obamacare repeal and so Trump ordered the USS McCain to ram into another vessel as a "shot across the bow" if you will of the living John McCain. Spandos can you get on board with this conspiracy? Any youtube vids out about this yet?

Obama and Hillary are both conspicuous by their absence.....so far....

[SDHornet]

Condolences to those that lost loved ones. Pretty embarrassing for the Navy. I'm actually hoping their systems have been hacked and they aren't really this incompetent.

Tin foil hat spin: McCain opposed the Obamacare repeal and so Trump ordered the USS McCain to ram into another vessel as a "shot across the bow" if you will of the living John McCain. Spandos can you get on board with this conspiracy? Any youtube vids out about this yet?

Obama and Hillary are both conspicuous by their absence.....so far....

If Hillary/Obama was behind this, there would be someone spinning the idea that a youtube vid about an old episode of the Love Boat caused this collision...and the media would have willfully complied in the spin.

[UNI88]

It is one major difference between the left and the right. The left wants to help people less fortunate and can imagine the circumstances that left the person struggling. The right can only understand a problem when it directly affects them

Too many on both the right and the left believe that everyone should share their understanding of what are problems and how they should be solved. If you disagree then you're an evil nazi/socialist trying to destroy the country. There is no middle ground and no attempt to understand or respect the other side's perspective.

Define Charity. Contributing $500 to Pat Robertson may meet the official IRS definition, but it is not charity.

Also, charity is far more that $$ given. Voting, etc to affect permanent change is more charitable that writing a check to get the tax deduction.

Another big difference between liberals and conservatives...you **** are arrogant enough to think that YOU should determine where I donate my time, energy and money and that YOU should unilaterally get to determine what IS and is NOT a "charity".

I wouldn't donate my money to a TV evangelists but they if they qualify as a charity under IRS rules then those that support their efforts should be free to give and those contributions should be counted. A social conservative probably doesn't think that a donation to Planned Parenthood should qualify as charitable but those donations should count as well. A truly liberal person would have an open mind and consider and respect others' perspectives.

I of course agree that donating to TV evangelists isn't charity
But it is technically of course

To your point, I'm not going to exclude half of the people in America as assholes
because they disagree with me

Chizzy nails it.

[Baldy]

Jon,
God knows I love you man
But that ^ is not actually true
If it were true Liberals would likely contribute MORE to Charity than Conservatives
Most studies (excluding cherry picked) it's about the same across the board

All people want to help people

Link?

Define Charity. Contributing $500 to Pat Robertson may meet the official IRS definition, but it is not charity.

Also, charity is far more that $$ given.

The type of things people say who do not donate to charity.



http://www.philanthropyroundtable.org/a ... tatistics/

[CID1990]

Link?

Define Charity. Contributing $500 to Pat Robertson may meet the official IRS definition, but it is not charity.

Also, charity is far more that $$ given.

The type of things people say who do not donate to charity.



http://www.philanthropyroundtable.org/a ... tatistics/

Dude

Utah really shouldn't be included - it's an outlier for obvious reasons

One thing I have learned about mormons since joining the FS- they are hardly monolithic, politically speaking

I've met as many liberal Mormon as I have conservative ones - they tend to come down on the evangelical side when it comes to abortion, but everything else is wide open

BTW I saw a Mormon woman get absolutely pilloried on Facebook by FS colleagues because she checked all the liberal boxes EXCEPT the abortion one - it was not pretty at all

I kind of like movements that reject people for lack of purity... it reminds me of lots of things that occurred before indoor plumbing and electricity

[Chizzang]

The type of things people say who do not donate to charity.



http://www.philanthropyroundtable.org/a ... tatistics/

Dude

Utah really shouldn't be included - it's an outlier for obvious reasons

One thing I have learned about mormons since joining the FS- they are hardly monolithic, politically speaking

I've met as many liberal Mormon as I have conservative ones - they tend to come down on the evangelical side when it comes to abortion, but everything else is wide open

BTW I saw a Mormon woman get absolutely pilloried on Facebook by FS colleagues because she checked all the liberal boxes EXCEPT the abortion one - it was not pretty at all

I kind of like movements that reject people for lack of purity... it reminds me of lots of things that occurred before indoor plumbing and electricity

Also note that philanthropy is - tithing and church donations - so it's a bit misleading overall
Mormons are basically FORCED to tithe 10%
and as Jon noted Televangelists bring in hundreds of millions in the southern states
and that is not an exaggeration nor is it philanthropy (Unless personal Jets are now in that category)

But I would be the first to argue / Removing the church fraud from the equation
That Conservatives and Liberals donate to actual charity at about the same level

This notion that Conservatives are stingy is ridiculous

[Baldy]

Dude

Utah really shouldn't be included - it's an outlier for obvious reasons

One thing I have learned about mormons since joining the FS- they are hardly monolithic, politically speaking

I've met as many liberal Mormon as I have conservative ones - they tend to come down on the evangelical side when it comes to abortion, but everything else is wide open

BTW I saw a Mormon woman get absolutely pilloried on Facebook by FS colleagues because she checked all the liberal boxes EXCEPT the abortion one - it was not pretty at all

I kind of like movements that reject people for lack of purity... it reminds me of lots of things that occurred before indoor plumbing and electricity

Also note that philanthropy is - tithing and church donations - so it's a bit misleading overall
Mormons are basically FORCED to tithe 10%
and as Jon noted Televangelists bring in hundreds of millions in the southern states
and that is not an exaggeration nor is it philanthropy (Unless personal Jets are now in that category)

But I would be the first to argue / Removing the church fraud from the equation
That Conservatives and Liberals donate to actual charity at about the same level

This notion that Conservatives are stingy is ridiculous

Not arguing that many televangelists are con-artists or crooks, but the jet setting preachers are an outlier in this regard. The last sentence of the first paragraph and the second paragraph is a more accurate representation for a large majority of the religious based charities.

Religious causes are, and always have been, Americans’ favorite charitable targets. Of course, “Religion” is a very broad category. Some of those funds are used to support houses of worship and clergy, to maintain the faith, and to proselytize future generations. Much religious charity, however, ultimately goes into sub-causes like relief for the poor, medical care, education, or aid sent to low-income countries or victims of disaster.

Keep in mind too that religious charities tend to have less access to supplemental funds than other nonprofits. Hospitals and colleges charge users fees to supplement their donated income; other nonprofits sell goods; many museums charge admission; some charities receive government grants. Churches and religious charities, however, operate mostly on their donated funds depicted in this graph.