Roy Moore

[kalm]

You've become quite good at this trolling thing...

I don't even need to think this stuff up, it's all right there to just cut and paste over. Fascinating stuff.

Chicks are super organized like that.

[AZGrizFan]

You vote for what's in the best interest of the country - even if that means you're a Republican and vote Democrat.

And that's problem - too many Rs and Ds. Vote for the person and their character. That's less malleable than their politics, IMO.

That's all well and good, but let's face it, nothing major gets done unless one party controls the WH and Congress. (Although the WH can pull some end runs with Executive Orders. Congress can't pull the same end runs.)
So you vote for a Prez that will push a certain agenda (and not veto certain Congressional actions), and you vote for Congressional candidates that will follow through with lawmaking that is to your liking.

There's nothing major that NEEDS to get done. I hope DC remains a discombobulated, fucked up, gridlocked cess pool so we can get on with our lives and not worry about them fucking it up some more.

[89Hen]

That's all well and good, but let's face it, nothing major gets done unless one party controls the WH and Congress. (Although the WH can pull some end runs with Executive Orders. Congress can't pull the same end runs.)
So you vote for a Prez that will push a certain agenda (and not veto certain Congressional actions), and you vote for Congressional candidates that will follow through with lawmaking that is to your liking.

There's nothing major that NEEDS to get done. I hope DC remains a discombobulated, fucked up, gridlocked cess pool so we can get on with our lives and not worry about them fucking it up some more.

The screwed up tax bill is evidence of something getting done. Same with Dodd-Frank. Better that they don't get stuff done.

[dbackjon]

Borderline?

Moore beliefs:

Homosexuality should be illegal (gays in jail)
Women should not vote or hold office
America was better when we had slavery
Slavery should still be legal
The Bible trumps the Constitution
The Constitution should be ignored when it goes against his version of Christianity
14-year old girls are fine to date when you are 32.


Jones is an excellent candidate - not a poor choice at all.

You realize that "borderline detestable" is not a positive comment, correct?

If that is your borderline to detestable, I would hate to see what you think is ok

How about full on detestable...

[BDKJMU]

You vote for what's in the best interest of the country - even if that means you're a Republican and vote Democrat.

And that's problem - too many Rs and Ds. Vote for the person and their character. That's less malleable than their politics, IMO.

That's all well and good, but let's face it, nothing major gets done unless one party controls the WH and Congress. (Although the WH can pull some end runs with Executive Orders. Congress can't pull the same end runs.)
So you vote for a Prez that will push a certain agenda (and not veto certain Congressional actions), and you vote for Congressional candidates that will follow through with lawmaking that is to your liking.

Nothing major gets done unless one party controls the WH and Congress with a super majority (60) in the Senate...

[BDKJMU]

That's all well and good, but let's face it, nothing major gets done unless one party controls the WH and Congress. (Although the WH can pull some end runs with Executive Orders. Congress can't pull the same end runs.)
So you vote for a Prez that will push a certain agenda (and not veto certain Congressional actions), and you vote for Congressional candidates that will follow through with lawmaking that is to your liking.

I know. Even then..it's a problem. Republicans hate it when Democrats do it and vice versa. Either way....nothing gets done. We get ****.

Gridlock is good (usually)..

[AZGrizFan]

There's nothing major that NEEDS to get done. I hope DC remains a discombobulated, fucked up, gridlocked cess pool so we can get on with our lives and not worry about them fucking it up some more.

The screwed up tax bill is evidence of something getting done. Same with Dodd-Frank. Better that they don't get stuff done.

Two shining examples of DC "getting things done". I'd add Obama care to that shit pile.

[BDKJMU]

I don't think Trump has ever really had coattails for Republicans - people who voted for Trump voted for him because he was the middle finger to politics as usual - they didn't vote for Trump because they agreed with or loved the Republican party. On the contrary, Trump repeatedly and thoroughly dismissed the Republicans during the primaries and the general election. Heck, that's how a mouth-breather like JSO could get so hot and bothered that he actually became a huge Hillary supporter.

Long term, this is kinda neutral for the GOP and Dems. They now don't have to worry about how to handle Moore in the Senate if he had won the seat. There would've been pressure to censure or even refuse to seat Moore and there would've been ethics investigations well before he even got there. Now none of that happens. Franken is definitely gone now - no way can he back himself into office when even voters in Alabama voted not to send someone like Franken to the Senate. As for governing, 52-48 isn't very different from 51-49, especially with a handful of GOP Senators that were already retiring and were already running rouge from the party anyway. And there's only so much you can push through without needing 60 votes anyway. The GOP will get whatever tax bill they come up with, so that will happen. And after that, it will be business as usual in Washington, which means no business. Democrats have something like 25 Senate seats up for grabs versus a far lower number for the GOP. I think the Dems have a better chance of flipping the House than they do the Senate, and I don't think they flip that either. An election like this means that the GOP can run without regards to Trump - he's not winning races for them and he's just a GOP guy in name only - he's his own party. With no legislative things likely to happen, other than this tax bill, while Trump is on office, the only thing left is the SCOTUS, and if the GOP holds on to 50 seats (Pence tiebreak) they can put on whomever they want.

I don't see that anything has changed - a really divided electorate is still going to be very divided for quite awhile.

Yep, as far as stuff likely to come up Jan-Dec 2018, 51-49 instead of 52-48 doesn't hurt conks much.

Nov 2018 23 donks seats up, 8 conk seats, and 2 independents (Vermont and Maine) that caucus with donks. So yeah basically 25 donk seats and 8 conk seats. Losing last night I don't think it makes it more likely they'll lose the Senate even with 1 less senate seat. If Moore had won he would have been a huge albatross as far as being seated, and donks would have had a year to beat conks over the head with Moore. Without Moore could very well be the case that conks don't lose one of those 8 conk seats they would have lost with the Moore albatross, and/or gain 1 of those 25 donk seats that they wouldn't have gained with the Moore albatross.

[BDKJMU]

The screwed up tax bill is evidence of something getting done. Same with Dodd-Frank. Better that they don't get stuff done.

Two shining examples of DC "getting things done". I'd add Obama care to that **** pile.

Yep, which wouldn't have passed if the donks didn't have that brief super majority in the Senate..

[Ibanez]

I know. Even then..it's a problem. Republicans hate it when Democrats do it and vice versa. Either way....nothing gets done. We get ****.

Gridlock is good (usually)..

Difference of opinion and debate is good. I don’t think a stalemate or gridlock is good. We’re accustomed to junk legislation so maybe you have a point....


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[BDKJMU]

Gridlock is good (usually)..

Difference of opinion and debate is good. I don’t think a stalemate or gridlock is good. We’re accustomed to junk legislation so maybe you have a point....


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Well, the only way you don't have gridlock is when you have one party controlling the WH and congress, with a supermajority in the Senate. And I assume you don't want that?

I believe the market likes gridlock- doesn't it do better in years when Congress is controlled by one party (or at least one house) and the WH by the other party?

[GannonFan]

You realize that "borderline detestable" is not a positive comment, correct?

If that is your borderline to detestable, I would hate to see what you think is ok

How about full on detestable...

So if I said he was "really bad" your comment would've been, "no, he's really, really bad"? Come on dude, being right on the doorstep of detestable is a heavily negative comment - you're just so used to disagreeing with people that you just do it by reflex now. Think a little, can't hurt.

[CAA Flagship]

That's all well and good, but let's face it, nothing major gets done unless one party controls the WH and Congress. (Although the WH can pull some end runs with Executive Orders. Congress can't pull the same end runs.)
So you vote for a Prez that will push a certain agenda (and not veto certain Congressional actions), and you vote for Congressional candidates that will follow through with lawmaking that is to your liking.

There's nothing major that NEEDS to get done. I hope DC remains a discombobulated, fucked up, gridlocked cess pool so we can get on with our lives and not worry about them fucking it up some more.

I find it surprising that your world has not been affected by certain policies of the prior administration. It certainly had an impact on my world. I see the unwinding of some of these things, including taking action where no action was taken, as a need. Just my opinion.

[Pwns]

I was hoping Moore would win. The more crazy populists get into national office, the closer we get to maybe changing the primary system so we don't have the most fanatical partisans on both sides picking nominees.

Or maybe even (dare I say it) eliminating the delusion that it's a great thing to have lots of malinformed people voting.

[JohnStOnge]

I was hoping Moore would win. The more crazy populists get into national office, the closer we get to maybe changing the primary system so we don't have the most fanatical partisans on both sides picking nominees.

Or maybe even (dare I say it) eliminating the delusion that it's a great thing to have lots of malinformed people voting.

Everybody has to take an IQ test before getting their voter registration. I used to want to go with minimum IQ of 100...the average...to vote. Now I've decided only the cognitive elite should vote. That was defined by Hernstein and Murray as >115 for an IQ test with a 15 standard deviation.

That way I know we'd never again get an absurdity like Donald Trump being elected President. And I'm pretty confident that all of us who frequent this board would still get to vote.

[HI54UNI]

Is Doug Jones like Scott Brown in 2010?

[Ivytalk]

I was hoping Moore would win. The more crazy populists get into national office, the closer we get to maybe changing the primary system so we don't have the most fanatical partisans on both sides picking nominees.

Or maybe even (dare I say it) eliminating the delusion that it's a great thing to have lots of malinformed people voting.

Everybody has to take an IQ test before getting their voter registration. I used to want to go with minimum IQ of 100...the average...to vote. Now I've decided only the cognitive elite should vote. That was defined by Hernstein and Murray as >115 for an IQ test with a 15 standard deviation.

That way I know we'd never again get an absurdity like Donald Trump being elected President. And I'm pretty confident that all of us who frequent this board would still get to vote.

An IQ test for voting? Cognitive elite? There were plenty of smart Nazis in Germany in 1932. Back to the good ol’ days of literacy tests and poll taxes, right, JSO?

Herrnstein and Murray.

[UNI88]

If that is your borderline to detestable, I would hate to see what you think is ok

How about full on detestable...

So if I said he was "really bad" your comment would've been, "no, he's really, really bad"? Come on dude, being right on the doorstep of detestable is a heavily negative comment - you're just so used to disagreeing with people that you just do it by reflex now. Think a little, can't hurt.

I agree with DBJ on this one. Borderline softens detestable too much. Moore is straight up detestable.

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[CAA Flagship]

I was hoping Moore would win. The more crazy populists get into national office, the closer we get to maybe changing the primary system so we don't have the most fanatical partisans on both sides picking nominees.

Or maybe even (dare I say it) eliminating the delusion that it's a great thing to have lots of malinformed people voting.

Everybody has to take an IQ test before getting their voter registration. I used to want to go with minimum IQ of 100...the average...to vote. Now I've decided only the cognitive elite should vote. That was defined by Hernstein and Murray as >115 for an IQ test with a 15 standard deviation.

That way I know we'd never again get an absurdity like Donald Trump being elected President. And I'm pretty confident that all of us who frequent this board would still get to vote.

How about minimum health and IQ standards for the candidates? Would have wiped out both Trump and Hillary.

[Ibanez]

I was hoping Moore would win. The more crazy populists get into national office, the closer we get to maybe changing the primary system so we don't have the most fanatical partisans on both sides picking nominees.

Or maybe even (dare I say it) eliminating the delusion that it's a great thing to have lots of malinformed people voting.

Everybody has to take an IQ test before getting their voter registration. I used to want to go with minimum IQ of 100...the average...to vote. Now I've decided only the cognitive elite should vote. That was defined by Hernstein and Murray as >115 for an IQ test with a 15 standard deviation.

That way I know we'd never again get an absurdity like Donald Trump being elected President. And I'm pretty confident that all of us who frequent this board would still get to vote.

Are you serious!? Of course you are.

[Ivytalk]

That was a close election. The black vote put Jones over. Or maybe the gay vote. I wonder how many votes the Alabama Libertarian got.

[Skjellyfetti]

Nick Saban got third.

[Gil Dobie]

Everybody has to take an IQ test before getting their voter registration. I used to want to go with minimum IQ of 100...the average...to vote. Now I've decided only the cognitive elite should vote. That was defined by Hernstein and Murray as >115 for an IQ test with a 15 standard deviation.

That way I know we'd never again get an absurdity like Donald Trump being elected President. And I'm pretty confident that all of us who frequent this board would still get to vote.

An IQ test for voting? Cognitive elite? There were plenty of smart Nazis in Germany in 1932. Back to the good ol’ days of literacy tests and poll taxes, right, JSO?

Herrnstein and Murray.

Proof JSO is a Democrat.

[houndawg]

That was a close election. The black vote put Jones over. Or maybe the gay vote. I wonder how many votes the Alabama Libertarian got.

It was close but I think Moore knew he was going to come in a little behind.

[houndawg]

I was hoping Moore would win. The more crazy populists get into national office, the closer we get to maybe changing the primary system so we don't have the most fanatical partisans on both sides picking nominees.

Or maybe even (dare I say it) eliminating the delusion that it's a great thing to have lots of malinformed people voting.

The rumor was that if he won that things would be different in DC. He was going to turn over a new page.