How Long Will The Shutdown Last? (Dec 2018)

[CID1990]

Wrong-

None of the those have law enforcement powers over people who are illegally in the US.

(Yes this is a trap... don't take the bait)

Irrelevant, they're supposed to turn them away before they become in the US illegally.

I see

But... walls are immoral

Ergo, borders are immoral

Ergo, see where this is going?

Or did I miss significant increases for those agencies in the floated spending bills?

[houndawg]

Irrelevant, they're supposed to turn them away before they become in the US illegally.

I see

But... walls are immoral

Ergo, borders are immoral

Ergo, see where this is going?

Or did I miss significant increases for those agencies in the floated spending bills?

Not all walls are borders in the sense we're using the word.

[CID1990]

I see

But... walls are immoral

Ergo, borders are immoral

Ergo, see where this is going?

Or did I miss significant increases for those agencies in the floated spending bills?

Not all walls are borders in the sense we're using the word.

So if a wall on the border is immoral, then a CBP officer on the border is what, exactly?

Help me understand your friend Nancy

[css75]

Trump called federal workers "terrific patriots" today and said that many "support what he is doing"......because ya know....most people love working for free to support a billionaire's temper tantrum crusade.

Tell me how Trump is running amok, like you said earlier.


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The Board’s chief financial officer, Matthew Brown, brought up how he received an email from a Treasury Department official saying that the federal government would not be paying all of their quarterly water bill, which comes out to $16.5 million. The email apparently said that the government would not be paying $5 million of that.

In response to this, Water Board Chairman Tommy Wells noted, “That brings up an interesting question,” before asking, “Is there a time from nonpayment when we cut someone’s water off?”

Another board member replied, “1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, is that what you’re talking about?”

The conversation appeared to be a joke, but it led to a serious discussion of the issue. Can D.C. officials shut off the White House’s water if they don’t pay up?

The answer, apparently, is yes.

https://lawandcrime.com/awkward/white-h ... ting-idea/

[Gil Dobie]

I see

But... walls are immoral

Ergo, borders are immoral

Ergo, see where this is going?

Or did I miss significant increases for those agencies in the floated spending bills?

Not all walls are borders in the sense we're using the word.

Sometimes it's a road, like the photo below, the Canadians built their road higher to keep the water from going back into Canada. The water eventually goes back into Canada, and floods other towns. I've been in all those buildings on both sides of the border.

[JohnStOnge]

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/tr ... lame-game/

Look at the polling data, and you can see why Trump (or his advisers) thought a high-profile move like a national address was needed. We’re currently on Day 19 of the shutdown, but Trump’s efforts to pin the blame on Democrats aren’t working,

That article was written too soon after his address to the nation to see an effect of that address if there was any. It'll be interesting to see what happens with measurements of public opinion over the next week or so.

[css75]

https://freebeacon.com/uncategorized/cn ... isis-free/

Acosta sees the wall works.


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[JohnStOnge]

An article on another instance in which Trump is now trying to say he never said something he did say:

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/10/trump-s ... ledge.html

The president, whose central campaign promise was that Mexico would pay for a wall stretching across the roughly 2,000-mile border, added: "When I said Mexico would pay for the wall in front of thousands and thousands of people ... obviously I never meant Mexico would write a check."

But on the campaign trail, Trump appeared to make that argument. A March 2016 memo to Washington Post reporters explained multiple ways to "compel Mexico" to "make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion" to keep the U.S. from cutting off the spigot of money it already sends to Mexico annually.

Here's a link to a page with the memo:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/apps/g/p ... inl_manual

[Chizzang]

An article on another instance in which Trump is now trying to say he never said something he did say:

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/10/trump-s ... ledge.html

The president, whose central campaign promise was that Mexico would pay for a wall stretching across the roughly 2,000-mile border, added: "When I said Mexico would pay for the wall in front of thousands and thousands of people ... obviously I never meant Mexico would write a check."

But on the campaign trail, Trump appeared to make that argument. A March 2016 memo to Washington Post reporters explained multiple ways to "compel Mexico" to "make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion" to keep the U.S. from cutting off the spigot of money it already sends to Mexico annually.

Here's a link to a page with the memo:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/apps/g/p ... inl_manual

Wait..
You mean to tell me Trump was lying..?



Shocked

[CAA Flagship]

An article on another instance in which Trump is now trying to say he never said something he did say:

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/10/trump-s ... ledge.html



Here's a link to a page with the memo:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/apps/g/p ... inl_manual

Wait..
You mean to tell me Trump was lying..?



Shocked

Now that you know, you can go back and see how it negatively impacted your life.

[JohnStOnge]

A take for what it's worth:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politi ... BZB6lWqBos

The end isn't near — yet. But if the standoff persists — talks blew up at the White House on Wednesday — and Congress and President Donald Trump can't reach a deal on raising the debt ceiling in a few months, "it's game over — you'll have a pretty severe recession," Zandi said, adding that given the trade war with China, and Brexit looming, "you could start seeing some pretty dark scenarios" worldwide.

[Chizzang]

Wait..
You mean to tell me Trump was lying..?



Shocked

Now that you know, you can go back and see how it negatively impacted your life.

My life has been utter chaos and despair since the the day that wall didn't get built...
That was the worst day of my life



IS that ^ what you were looking for (because Chizzang delivers)

[89Hen]

A take for what it's worth:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politi ... BZB6lWqBos

The end isn't near — yet. But if the standoff persists — talks blew up at the White House on Wednesday — and Congress and President Donald Trump can't reach a deal on raising the debt ceiling in a few months, "it's game over — you'll have a pretty severe recession," Zandi said, adding that given the trade war with China, and Brexit looming, "you could start seeing some pretty dark scenarios" worldwide.

Traffic has been absolutely AWESOME since the shutdown. My evening commute has been cut in half. Not joking.

[89Hen]

phpBB [video]

[CAA Flagship]

Now that you know, you can go back and see how it negatively impacted your life.

My life has been utter chaos and despair since the the day that wall didn't get built...
That was the worst day of my life



IS that ^ what you were looking for (because Chizzang delivers)

No, no, no. It's not whether the wall was built or not. It's that you determined that Mexico was not going to pay for it.

Now try that again.

[Chizzang]

My life has been utter chaos and despair since the the day that wall didn't get built...
That was the worst day of my life



IS that ^ what you were looking for (because Chizzang delivers)

No, no, no. It's not whether the wall was built or not. It's that you determined that Mexico was not going to pay for it.

Now try that again.

It's funny you should mention that...
I can hardly sleep at night knowing that Mexico won't be paying for the wall
Because I like totally believed they were just days away from cutting a check

When can we start carpet bombing Mexico..?

[AZGrizFan]

No, no, no. It's not whether the wall was built or not. It's that you determined that Mexico was not going to pay for it.

Now try that again.

It's funny you should mention that...
I can hardly sleep at night knowing that Mexico won't be paying for the wall
Because I like totally believed they were just days away from cutting a check

When can we start carpet bombing Mexico..?

Me too. Can’t sleep...

[CAA Flagship]

No, no, no. It's not whether the wall was built or not. It's that you determined that Mexico was not going to pay for it.

Now try that again.

It's funny you should mention that...
I can hardly sleep at night knowing that Mexico won't be paying for the wall
Because I like totally believed they were just days away from cutting a check

When can we start carpet bombing Mexico..?

First we need to drop sod on them. A whole football field's worth. And about a million Shakira CD's.

[css75]

It's funny you should mention that...
I can hardly sleep at night knowing that Mexico won't be paying for the wall
Because I like totally believed they were just days away from cutting a check

When can we start carpet bombing Mexico..?

First we need to drop sod on them. A whole football field's worth. And about a million Shakira CD's.

Actually this works better:

https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ


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[SDHornet]

So has the world ended yet because of the shutdown?


Asking for a friend.

[houndawg]

Not all walls are borders in the sense we're using the word.

So if a wall on the border is immoral, then a CBP officer on the border is what, exactly?

Help me understand your friend Nancy

part of a bloated federal agency?

[93henfan]

So has the world ended yet because of the shutdown?


Asking for a friend.

No, but I did just stop automatic contributions to both of my sons college funds ten minutes ago and I'm going to the unemployment office tomorrow to start the paperwork for an unemployment insurance claim. I'm good on my rainy-day fund until about April 1. I was expecting this shutdown to be over by tomorrow, but it appears Trump is content to withhold the livelihood of my family and 850,000 other families until he gets his way.

But I'm glad you're not impacted at all. That's all that matters.

[houndawg]

So has the world ended yet because of the shutdown?


Asking for a friend.

No, but I did just stop automatic contributions to both of my sons college funds ten minutes ago and I'm going to the unemployment office tomorrow to start the paperwork for an unemployment insurance claim. I'm good on my rainy-day fund until about April 1. I was expecting this shutdown to be over by tomorrow, but it appears Trump is content to withhold the livelihood of my family and 850,000 other families until he gets his way.

But I'm glad you're not impacted at all. That's all that matters.

He's a bidniz man, I'm sure you understand that it isn't personal. He's just demonstrating the Art of the Deal.

[JohnStOnge]

So has the world ended yet because of the shutdown?


Asking for a friend.

No, the world has not and will not end because of it. Right now the negative consequences have already become evident to a large number of people. And for as long as it continues, as it continues, the negative consequences will become evident to more people. If it continues for long enough the negative consequences will become evident to just about everybody. Actually we can leave the "just about" out. It'll be "everybody."