April 2019 Presidential Preference Poll

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Who would you vote for today?

Poll ended at Wed May 15, 2019 12:15 pm

Trump no matter what
13
35%
The Democrat no matter what
10
27%
Third Party/Independent/Write-in/Blank no matter what
7
19%
Trump, unless the donks nominate ___, which is unlikely
1
3%
The Democrat, unless the donks nominate ____, which is unlikely.
0
No votes
Third Party or Independent, unless the donks nominate ____, which is unlikely.
3
8%
Fvck dis Schit what's the point 2020
3
8%
 
Total votes: 37

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Re: April 2019 Presidential Preference Poll

Postby Ursus A. Horribilis » Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:33 pm

AZGrizFan wrote:
89Hen wrote:Really? So telling folks to "have a spine" isn't telling folks that it's somehow brave to vote that way? Yeah, OK. :coffee:


I'm saying vote your conscience. Is that really that difficult to comprehend? Saying "I'm a third party guy but I don't want to waste my vote" is more damning than voting for a third party guy with (assumingly) no chance of winning.

Voting for one of the two major parties is literally throwing your vote away because there's NO difference other than semantics.

But hey, you do you bro.

I appreciate your ability to express this sentiment. I don't think I will be a third party guy this time but can't say for sure at this point.
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Re: April 2019 Presidential Preference Poll

Postby Ursus A. Horribilis » Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:35 pm

kalm wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
I'm saying vote your conscience. Is that really that difficult to comprehend? Saying "I'm a third party guy but I don't want to waste my vote" is more damning than voting for a third party guy with (assumingly) no chance of winning.

Voting for one of the two major parties is literally throwing your vote away because there's NO difference other than semantics.

But hey, you do you bro.


:nod:

And nothing changes.

It’s like the old Yogi Berra line...if you don’t go to other people’s funerals they won’t go to yours.

(I’m actually not sure if the two concepts are alike at all but since I’m quoting Z it seemed like a good fit here :mrgreen: )

They are not and that is why it is a home run. :lol:
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Re: April 2019 Presidential Preference Poll

Postby AZGrizFan » Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:40 pm

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Stack up the tax cut against the "pay freeze". See if you came out ahead.


A temporary win that increased the federal debt. That'll completely screw over our kids. Some day, the reckoning is coming to all of us for Trump's corporate and billionaire welfare program. :nod:

Pretty much every billionaire out there (Gates, Buffett, etc) will tell you that they should be paying more and not less taxes for the long term health of the country.


Then why don't they? They're free to send in a check any time they want...
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Re: April 2019 Presidential Preference Poll

Postby GannonFan » Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:53 pm

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GannonFan wrote:Well, I'm not voting Trump, so it's the Democrat unless they're crazy, but that could be likely, so I don't see the option clearly defined.


Possible crazies....Sanders, Beto, Warren. I'd vote for all of them over the insane Trump.

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I'm not casting a vote for Beto (dumb as bricks) or for Warren (too old and really more of a Senator than President), and certainly not for Trump (buffoon). Sanders I'm up in the air on - I would've voted for him last time, and would probably do so again. Depends on the makeup of Congress, though. Voting for him last time wouldn't have been a problem, he'd never would've gotten any of his more crazy ideas through Congress. I don't think the Senate is going Democratic this time around, but it could be close, so now he's more of a risk. Besides, he's old, so when push comes to shove, I'm voting for a younger person.
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Re: April 2019 Presidential Preference Poll

Postby 89Hen » Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:57 pm

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89Hen wrote:Really? So telling folks to "have a spine" isn't telling folks that it's somehow brave to vote that way? Yeah, OK. :coffee:


I'm saying vote your conscience. Is that really that difficult to comprehend? Saying "I'm a third party guy but I don't want to waste my vote" is more damning than voting for a third party guy with (assumingly) no chance of winning.

Voting for one of the two major parties is literally throwing your vote away because there's NO difference other than semantics.

But hey, you do you bro.

You're joking, right? Voting for either party is throwing away your vote, even though one of them will win? Whereas voting third party is not a waste, even though your vote will be going to somebody who will get maybe 5% of the vote in a good year?

And voting your conscience is only if they vote how you say they should vote? :lol:
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Re: April 2019 Presidential Preference Poll

Postby Ivytalk » Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:58 pm

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mainejeff wrote:
Possible crazies....Sanders, Beto, Warren. I'd vote for all of them over the insane Trump.

:coffee:


I'm not casting a vote for Beto (dumb as bricks) or for Warren (too old and really more of a Senator than President), and certainly not for Trump (buffoon). Sanders I'm up in the air on - I would've voted for him last time, and would probably do so again. Depends on the makeup of Congress, though. Voting for him last time wouldn't have been a problem, he'd never would've gotten any of his more crazy ideas through Congress. I don't think the Senate is going Democratic this time around, but it could be close, so now he's more of a risk. Besides, he's old, so when push comes to shove, I'm voting for a younger person.

I thought you were more or less of a centrist. Your position makes no sense. You’d vote for Sanders only if you are convinced that none of his “more crazy ideas” would be enacted into law. Got it. Also, please let us know what his “less crazy ideas” are, beyond conventional Donk stuff.
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Re: April 2019 Presidential Preference Poll

Postby GannonFan » Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:13 pm

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I'm not casting a vote for Beto (dumb as bricks) or for Warren (too old and really more of a Senator than President), and certainly not for Trump (buffoon). Sanders I'm up in the air on - I would've voted for him last time, and would probably do so again. Depends on the makeup of Congress, though. Voting for him last time wouldn't have been a problem, he'd never would've gotten any of his more crazy ideas through Congress. I don't think the Senate is going Democratic this time around, but it could be close, so now he's more of a risk. Besides, he's old, so when push comes to shove, I'm voting for a younger person.

I thought you were more or less of a centrist. Your position makes no sense. You’d vote for Sanders only if you are convinced that none of his “more crazy ideas” would be enacted into law. Got it. Also, please let us know what his “less crazy ideas” are, beyond conventional Donk stuff.


I am a centrist - that ties in fine with a President that would have to work with an opposing party in Congress to advance their ideas. Ideally, a more left-ward leaning President would be brought closer to the center by a right-wing based Congress that would also have to tack more towards the center and the net result of compromise would be something towards the middle. Worst case, gridlock, which for all of its faults doesn't really lean left or right - again, stuck in the middle. Makes perfect sense if you think on it. :coffee:
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Re: April 2019 Presidential Preference Poll

Postby Ivytalk » Tue Apr 16, 2019 2:27 pm

GannonFan wrote:
Ivytalk wrote:I thought you were more or less of a centrist. Your position makes no sense. You’d vote for Sanders only if you are convinced that none of his “more crazy ideas” would be enacted into law. Got it. Also, please let us know what his “less crazy ideas” are, beyond conventional Donk stuff.


I am a centrist - that ties in fine with a President that would have to work with an opposing party in Congress to advance their ideas. Ideally, a more left-ward leaning President would be brought closer to the center by a right-wing based Congress that would also have to tack more towards the center and the net result of compromise would be something towards the middle. Worst case, gridlock, which for all of its faults doesn't really lean left or right - again, stuck in the middle. Makes perfect sense if you think on it. :coffee:

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Re: April 2019 Presidential Preference Poll

Postby AZGrizFan » Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:15 pm

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AZGrizFan wrote:
I'm saying vote your conscience. Is that really that difficult to comprehend? Saying "I'm a third party guy but I don't want to waste my vote" is more damning than voting for a third party guy with (assumingly) no chance of winning.

Voting for one of the two major parties is literally throwing your vote away because there's NO difference other than semantics.

But hey, you do you bro.

You're joking, right? Voting for either party is throwing away your vote, even though one of them will win? Whereas voting third party is not a waste, even though your vote will be going to somebody who will get maybe 5% of the vote in a good year?

And voting your conscience is only if they vote how you say they should vote? :lol:


Jesus, you're being exceptionally dense today. :dunce: :dunce: :dunce:

It's throwing away your vote because in the long run it DOES. NOT. MATTER. If either of the major party candidates win, it's same ol' same ol'....wanting change and then voting for the same thing over and over again...the definition of insanity. Again, is that REALLY that difficult of a concept to grasp?
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Re: April 2019 Presidential Preference Poll

Postby dbackjon » Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:02 pm

AZGrizFan wrote:
89Hen wrote:You're joking, right? Voting for either party is throwing away your vote, even though one of them will win? Whereas voting third party is not a waste, even though your vote will be going to somebody who will get maybe 5% of the vote in a good year?

And voting your conscience is only if they vote how you say they should vote? :lol:


Jesus, you're being exceptionally dense today. :dunce: :dunce: :dunce:

It's throwing away your vote because in the long run it DOES. NOT. MATTER. If either of the major party candidates win, it's same ol' same ol'....wanting change and then voting for the same thing over and over again...the definition of insanity. Again, is that REALLY that difficult of a concept to grasp?



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Re: April 2019 Presidential Preference Poll

Postby AZGrizFan » Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:09 pm

dbackjon wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Jesus, you're being exceptionally dense today. :dunce: :dunce: :dunce:

It's throwing away your vote because in the long run it DOES. NOT. MATTER. If either of the major party candidates win, it's same ol' same ol'....wanting change and then voting for the same thing over and over again...the definition of insanity. Again, is that REALLY that difficult of a concept to grasp?



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I bet he was. :ohno: :ohno:
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Re: April 2019 Presidential Preference Poll

Postby BDKJMU » Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:11 pm

AZGrizFan wrote:
89Hen wrote:Really? So telling folks to "have a spine" isn't telling folks that it's somehow brave to vote that way? Yeah, OK. :coffee:


I'm saying vote your conscience. Is that really that difficult to comprehend? Saying "I'm a third party guy but I don't want to waste my vote" is more damning than voting for a third party guy with (assumingly) no chance of winning.

Voting for one of the two major parties is literally throwing your vote away because there's NO difference other than semantics.

But hey, you do you bro.

Have to disagree with you there. I don’t think a Clinton admin would have done/be doing the same policy wise as the Trump admin. Sure, there’s some areas where the only difference is the rhetoric, but other areas where there is a HUGE difference.

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Re: April 2019 Presidential Preference Poll

Postby Winterborn » Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:54 pm

BDKJMU wrote:Have to disagree with you there. I don’t think a Clinton admin would have done/be doing the same policy wise as the Trump admin. Sure, there’s some areas where the only difference is the rhetoric, but other areas where there is a HUGE difference.


Only difference is in how long it is going to take before complete governmental control. D's will just get there quicker, but make no mistake the R's will wind up in the same spot. They are using the past voting record of the Republican name as a smoke screen. If you look at them in light of how they would compare to R's 15-20+ years ago, they would of been Democrats back then.

Sure there are a few that have held the course or have certain values that line up the same, but they are few and far between.
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Re: April 2019 Presidential Preference Poll

Postby kalm » Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:01 pm

Winterborn wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:Have to disagree with you there. I don’t think a Clinton admin would have done/be doing the same policy wise as the Trump admin. Sure, there’s some areas where the only difference is the rhetoric, but other areas where there is a HUGE difference.


Only difference is in how long it is going to take before complete governmental control. D's will just get there quicker, but make no mistake the R's will wind up in the same spot. They are using the past voting record of the Republican name as a smoke screen. If you look at them in light of how they would compare to R's 15-20+ years ago, they would of been Democrats back then.

Sure there are a few that have held the course or have certain values that line up the same, but they are few and far between.


Not economically. R’s 15 years ago were spending trillions on a war of choose, while cutting taxes, and enough of them getting ready to support Medicare Part D.
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Re: April 2019 Presidential Preference Poll

Postby Winterborn » Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:02 pm

kalm wrote:
Winterborn wrote:
Only difference is in how long it is going to take before complete governmental control. D's will just get there quicker, but make no mistake the R's will wind up in the same spot. They are using the past voting record of the Republican name as a smoke screen. If you look at them in light of how they would compare to R's 15-20+ years ago, they would of been Democrats back then.

Sure there are a few that have held the course or have certain values that line up the same, but they are few and far between.


Not economically. R’s 15 years ago were spending trillions on a war of choose, while cutting taxes, and enough of them getting ready to support Medicare Part D.


My bad, too early. They had already started to turn. :D
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Re: April 2019 Presidential Preference Poll

Postby kalm » Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:57 pm

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kalm wrote:
Not economically. R’s 15 years ago were spending trillions on a war of choose, while cutting taxes, and enough of them getting ready to support Medicare Part D.


My bad, too early. They had already started to turn. :D


No worries. I was still voting most Democratic back then too. :oops:
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Re: April 2019 Presidential Preference Poll

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mainejeff wrote:
GannonFan wrote:Well, I'm not voting Trump, so it's the Democrat unless they're crazy, but that could be likely, so I don't see the option clearly defined.


Possible crazies....Sanders, Beto, Warren, Che, Stalin, Mao. I'd vote for all of them over the insane Trump.

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Re: April 2019 Presidential Preference Poll

Postby Gil Dobie » Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:16 am

I think it's perfect timing to put a woman in the White House, now that it won't be Hillary. Dems have a few good options at this point.
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Re: April 2019 Presidential Preference Poll

Postby kalm » Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:38 am

Gil Dobie wrote:I think it's perfect timing to put a woman in the White House, now that it won't be Hillary. Dems have a few good options at this point.


Maybe but I couldn’t care less about gender, skin color, sexual persuasion, etc. Since I’m in a safe space, I will say that women of the 2 or 3 generations currently in their political prime have overseen a massive feminization of America and not all of it is good.
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Postby Gil Dobie » Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:52 am

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Gil Dobie wrote:I think it's perfect timing to put a woman in the White House, now that it won't be Hillary. Dems have a few good options at this point.


Maybe but I couldn’t care less about gender, skin color, sexual persuasion, etc. Since I’m in a safe space, I will say that women of the 2 or 3 generations currently in their political prime have overseen a massive feminization of America and not all of it is good.


..and the male domination has not exactly all been good either. There have been some great world leaders of the opposite sex.
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Postby Pwns » Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:12 am

My problems with the Democrats:

1. Racial resentment and identity politics. This stuff just makes it easier for the next Donald Trump to win, and leads to policies addressing non-existent problems like the alleged racial bias in police killings and school discipline.

2. I want a "too big to fail, too big to exist" policy for the mega banks. This should be a bipartisan issue. Granted Warren and Bernie have talked about this but I'm pretty sure Joe Biden's going to let them regulate themselves in exchange for a half-million dollar speech.

3. Environmental policy that has a minimal effect on the problems they're designed to solve that just make everyone's energy costs go up and causes other problems.

4. Immigration policy that works more for the Democrat party than for America. Not like it's not the same thing with the GOP, but the donks are much worse.

I'm not that afraid of the economic left at least right now, but with the current crop of donks it's very hard to not vote third party or independent.
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Re: April 2019 Presidential Preference Poll

Postby AZGrizFan » Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:13 am

BDKJMU wrote:
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I'm saying vote your conscience. Is that really that difficult to comprehend? Saying "I'm a third party guy but I don't want to waste my vote" is more damning than voting for a third party guy with (assumingly) no chance of winning.

Voting for one of the two major parties is literally throwing your vote away because there's NO difference other than semantics.

But hey, you do you bro.

Have to disagree with you there. I don’t think a Clinton admin would have done/be doing the same policy wise as the Trump admin. Sure, there’s some areas where the only difference is the rhetoric, but other areas where there is a HUGE difference.


Tomato tomahto. They both want to spend us into oblivion. They both spy on innocent Americans and don't call it spying. They both are only concerned about staying in power and not what's best for the country. Neither want to solve the political footballs because then they couldn't rile up the single issue mouthbreathers to come out and vote. Their proclaimed "differences" are merely a mirage. They're 90% the same and 10% different rhetoric.
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Re: RE: Re: April 2019 Presidential Preference Poll

Postby ALPHAGRIZ1 » Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:35 am

Gil Dobie wrote:
kalm wrote:
Maybe but I couldn’t care less about gender, skin color, sexual persuasion, etc. Since I’m in a safe space, I will say that women of the 2 or 3 generations currently in their political prime have overseen a massive feminization of America and not all of it is good.


..and the male domination has not exactly all been good either. There have been some great world leaders of the opposite sex.
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Re: April 2019 Presidential Preference Poll

Postby BDKJMU » Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:45 am

AZGrizFan wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:Have to disagree with you there. I don’t think a Clinton admin would have done/be doing the same policy wise as the Trump admin. Sure, there’s some areas where the only difference is the rhetoric, but other areas where there is a HUGE difference.


Tomato tomahto. They both want to spend us into oblivion. They both spy on innocent Americans and don't call it spying. They both are only concerned about staying in power and not what's best for the country. Neither want to solve the political footballs because then they couldn't rile up the single issue mouthbreathers to come out and vote. Their proclaimed "differences" are merely a mirage. They're 90% the same and 10% different rhetoric.

You think with Clinton we would have had:
-2 SCOTUS nominations similar to Gorsuch and Kavanough + numerous conservative Circuit nominations
-Tax cuts
-Similar on Illegal Immigration
-Ending Obamacare mandate
-Similar on Deregulation
-Renegotiating NAFTA
-Similar on China.
-Nixing the terrible Iran Deal.
-Pulling out of the Paris Climate deal.
-Getting deadbeat NATO countries to pledge to pay more.
-Pulling out Syria
-Opening dialogue with North Korea

And those are just the differences off the top of my head. I don’t think with Clinton would have had the above. Big difference between the 2.

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Re: RE: Re: April 2019 Presidential Preference Poll

Postby Gil Dobie » Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:48 am

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..and the male domination has not exactly all been good either. There have been some great world leaders of the opposite sex.
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