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John Bolton says he's ready to testify now if subpoenaed.

Is this a case of an astute bureaucrat deciding that the game is up, or is their a different motive?
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Sounds like a desire for some payback. Nobody likes getting fired.
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93henfan wrote:Sounds like a desire for some payback. Nobody likes getting fired.
Does this mean he thinks the train is off the track and he won't face reprisal from Trump, who is renowned for his vindictiveness?
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houndawg wrote:
93henfan wrote:Sounds like a desire for some payback. Nobody likes getting fired.
Does this mean he thinks the train is off the track and he won't face reprisal from Trump, who is renowned for his vindictiveness?
What could happen to him? Not get hired back in 2021? That wasn't happening anyway.

He'll just keep writing books and making speeches and cashing million dollar checks.
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93henfan wrote:
houndawg wrote:
Does this mean he thinks the train is off the track and he won't face reprisal from Trump, who is renowned for his vindictiveness?
What could happen to him? Not get hired back in 2021? That wasn't happening anyway.

He'll just keep writing books and making speeches and cashing million dollar checks.
But why wait until now? Would he have done it if Pelosi had sent the Articles over right after the hearings?
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houndawg wrote:
93henfan wrote:
What could happen to him? Not get hired back in 2021? That wasn't happening anyway.

He'll just keep writing books and making speeches and cashing million dollar checks.
But why wait until now? Would he have done it if Pelosi had sent the Articles over right after the hearings?
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AZGrizFan wrote:
houndawg wrote:
But why wait until now? Would he have done it if Pelosi had sent the Articles over right after the hearings?
strange days. :suspicious: :suspicious:
Where's CID - we need some bureaucratic tea leaves read.

Usually the forces of darkness are very careful about crossing Trump. I can see Bolton wanting some payback obviously but Trump's mantra is always hit back harder - and he's connected enough to order a Polonium cocktail
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houndawg wrote:John Bolton says he's ready to testify now if subpoenaed.

Is this a case of an astute bureaucrat deciding that the game is up, or is their a different motive?
He indicated that during the House inquiry too -

But court decisions something something courts take too long something something Reek something something

I already covered this and I recall you or Reek not understanding the how or why


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93henfan wrote:
houndawg wrote:
Does this mean he thinks the train is off the track and he won't face reprisal from Trump, who is renowned for his vindictiveness?
What could happen to him? Not get hired back in 2021? That wasn't happening anyway.

He'll just keep writing books and making speeches and cashing million dollar checks.
Hmm...he could get Solemanied. :suspicious:
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CID1990 wrote:
houndawg wrote:John Bolton says he's ready to testify now if subpoenaed.

Is this a case of an astute bureaucrat deciding that the game is up, or is their a different motive?
He indicated that during the House inquiry too -

But court decisions something something courts take too long something something Reek something something

I already covered this and I recall you or Reek not understanding the how or why


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Maybe he's worried about losing book sales if one of the other witnesses testifies before he does.
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Regardless of John B's motivation, it's going to be pretty revealing if Republicans continue to say "no witnesses." Probably won't hurt their cause, at least in the short term, if they do that. But it'll be really obvious that they're interested in keeping information from the public. There is absolutely no good reason to refuse to have him testify.

BTW, I have no idea as to whether his testimony would be damaging to Trump. But the Republicans not wanting him to would not look good at all to anybody with at least some semblance of objectivity.

And, frankly, Republicans who care about Congress as an institution as well as about the truth of the situation should have been right there with the Democrats in objecting to the White House strategy of trying to keep anybody from testifying and refusing to provide documents. If they really believe there is no there there they should have been fine with having all the information come out.

But they were not and they are not. They have been all in with respect to restricting information flow. Not interested in sunlight at all.
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JohnStOnge wrote:Regardless of John B's motivation, it's going to be pretty revealing if Republicans continue to say "no witnesses." Probably won't hurt their cause, at least in the short term, if they do that. But it'll be really obvious that they're interested in keeping information from the public. There is absolutely no good reason to refuse to have him testify.

BTW, I have no idea as to whether his testimony would be damaging to Trump. But the Republicans not wanting him to would not look good at all to anybody with at least some semblance of objectivity.

And, frankly, Republicans who care about Congress as an institution as well as about the truth of the situation should have been right there with the Democrats in objecting to the White House strategy of trying to keep anybody from testifying and refusing to provide documents. If they really believe there is no there there they should have been fine with having all the information come out.

But they were not and they are not. They have been all in with respect to restricting information flow. Not interested in sunlight at all.
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houndawg wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:Regardless of John B's motivation, it's going to be pretty revealing if Republicans continue to say "no witnesses." Probably won't hurt their cause, at least in the short term, if they do that. But it'll be really obvious that they're interested in keeping information from the public. There is absolutely no good reason to refuse to have him testify.

BTW, I have no idea as to whether his testimony would be damaging to Trump. But the Republicans not wanting him to would not look good at all to anybody with at least some semblance of objectivity.

And, frankly, Republicans who care about Congress as an institution as well as about the truth of the situation should have been right there with the Democrats in objecting to the White House strategy of trying to keep anybody from testifying and refusing to provide documents. If they really believe there is no there there they should have been fine with having all the information come out.

But they were not and they are not. They have been all in with respect to restricting information flow. Not interested in sunlight at all.
Congress spent decades abdicating their authority and it has come home to roost.


Nancy Pelosi wiped her political ass with Moscow Mitch's necktie. Talk about a roll of the dice paying off - her holding back delivering the articles of impeachment will put her in the history books as the Trumpslayer. Its fucking beautiful. A political masterstroke
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CID1990 wrote:
houndawg wrote:John Bolton says he's ready to testify now if subpoenaed.

Is this a case of an astute bureaucrat deciding that the game is up, or is their a different motive?
He indicated that during the House inquiry too -

But court decisions something something courts take too long something something Reek something something

I already covered this and I recall you or Reek not understanding the how or why



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Mist have been reek - I got that part.

Am I mistaken in thinking that there is nothing keeping Bolton from voluntarily testifying? :?
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mainejeff2 wrote:Who's Reek?
No idea. Just humor him.
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mainejeff2 wrote:Who's Reek?
The poster formerly known as Analjelly.
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houndawg wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
He indicated that during the House inquiry too -

But court decisions something something courts take too long something something Reek something something

I already covered this and I recall you or Reek not understanding the how or why



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Mist have been reek - I got that part.

Am I mistaken in thinking that there is nothing keeping Bolton from voluntarily testifying? :?
Yes. McConnell’s rules for the trial.

Although it would be great to see the TV cameras focused on old John B banging on the door...
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Ivytalk wrote:
houndawg wrote:
Mist have been reek - I got that part.

Am I mistaken in thinking that there is nothing keeping Bolton from voluntarily testifying? :?
Yes. McConnell’s rules for the trial.

Although it would be great to see the TV cameras focused on old John B banging on the door...
But there is no reason he can't talk to the media?
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houndawg wrote:
Ivytalk wrote: Yes. McConnell’s rules for the trial.

Although it would be great to see the TV cameras focused on old John B banging on the door...
But there is no reason he can't talk to the media?
Nope. No “gag” that I’m aware of, and JB was a Fox News “consultant” for ages, between his political gigs. But if he wants another one of those, he won’t talk to the media.
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The Ds aren't going to have Bolton testify without knowing ahead of time what he is going to say. They don't trust him and can't risk that he would further embarrass them.
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mainegeoffrey2 wrote:
Ivytalk wrote: The poster formerly known as Analjelly.
Who's Analjelly?

A friend of Jearf and Geoffrey.
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UNI88 wrote:
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Ivytalk wrote:
houndawg wrote:
But there is no reason he can't talk to the media?
Nope. No “gag” that I’m aware of, and JB was a Fox News “consultant” for ages, between his political gigs. But if he wants another one of those, he won’t talk to the media.
He's an inspiration to public servants everywhere.

Shades of Rod "I've-got-something-here-and-it's-freaking-valuble" Blagojevich.. 8-)
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